Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hi Rhonda- There have been a lot of great posts on this board from ladies who have not had surgery (with either SU or BU) and have successfully had babies. So there is definitely hope! I haven't had a baby yet, but I wanted to reply anyway since I have been having similar problems as you over the past year (the whole SU/BU thing). Unfortunately, they did not discover that I had an MA until I miscarried my first pg at 7 wks. After an MRI, my OB could not determine if I was SU or BU, and so referred me to UNC-Chapel Hill for futher examination. Like you I also have Tricare, and they were able to refer me to the Reproductive Endocrinology clinic at UNC, but not Duke. After looking at my MRI and HSG, the doctors up at UNC determined that I have an SU, because it looks like one from the outside, but they thought that the septum was wide & maybe vascular, which should behave more like a BU. They told me to just get pregnant again - which didn't work out so well - and I lost the baby at 18 weeks. So my OB referred me back up to UNC again - and now they think that maybe they were wrong - and that maybe my septum could be removed after all. They are going to do a hysteroscopy on Thursday - to see if there is any way they can resect the septum. I've been very scared that my surgery is going to go like yours -- they will get in there and decide it cannot be fixed! What did the doctor tell you exactly, after doing the lap/hyst? Did he actually cut into the sptum, and then it started bleeding or soemthing? Anyway - it sounds like we have similar uteri and you might end up going to the same specialist as I do - so we should contine to compare notes! I hope you get a good report on Friday, and I'm sure I'll be posting after my surgery (good or bad)! Cheryl > > Hey everyone I am new to the group---man this past year has been one > doozy!! I was sent to have a ultrasound because I was having really > bad cramps my PCM thought maybe I had cysts---that I do, and they > did a vaginal Ult. and said Bicournated uterus---well I was referred > to a GYN that was a witch--she was just so rude and crude---so to > make a long story short I switched OBGYN to no suprise of my PCM > office they said they dont refer any of their patients to her---- > since then(last summer) I had a Dignostic Lap and hystero and DNC > first surg....I had endo, and cysts.....MY uterus appeared to be > Septated from the SONOHYSTOGRAM and actually viewing it Lap it was > smooth round ya know not indinted----so well my dr was going to try > and do a septum resection(he hasent done too many but i didnt know > if Tricare would refer me so I told him he could do it< IT WAS big- - > well yeah its not resected---I just had my HSG yesterday to see > about it cause the SHG i had last month didnt realy help--- but yeah > it almost looks like G's BU or SU----except my middle part is > not white on the HSG its solid----so my dr was kinda like---it looks > septated on the outside and hysteroscopicl but This looks like it > could be bu----so He is sending the Pics to a Ferti. specialist at > Duke or Chapel hill that he usually consults with---and i go back on > Friday---- Have any of you ladies with out surg been able to carry a > baby? Thanks. > > Rhonda K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hi Rhonda- There have been a lot of great posts on this board from ladies who have not had surgery (with either SU or BU) and have successfully had babies. So there is definitely hope! I haven't had a baby yet, but I wanted to reply anyway since I have been having similar problems as you over the past year (the whole SU/BU thing). Unfortunately, they did not discover that I had an MA until I miscarried my first pg at 7 wks. After an MRI, my OB could not determine if I was SU or BU, and so referred me to UNC-Chapel Hill for futher examination. Like you I also have Tricare, and they were able to refer me to the Reproductive Endocrinology clinic at UNC, but not Duke. After looking at my MRI and HSG, the doctors up at UNC determined that I have an SU, because it looks like one from the outside, but they thought that the septum was wide & maybe vascular, which should behave more like a BU. They told me to just get pregnant again - which didn't work out so well - and I lost the baby at 18 weeks. So my OB referred me back up to UNC again - and now they think that maybe they were wrong - and that maybe my septum could be removed after all. They are going to do a hysteroscopy on Thursday - to see if there is any way they can resect the septum. I've been very scared that my surgery is going to go like yours -- they will get in there and decide it cannot be fixed! What did the doctor tell you exactly, after doing the lap/hyst? Did he actually cut into the sptum, and then it started bleeding or soemthing? Anyway - it sounds like we have similar uteri and you might end up going to the same specialist as I do - so we should contine to compare notes! I hope you get a good report on Friday, and I'm sure I'll be posting after my surgery (good or bad)! Cheryl > > Hey everyone I am new to the group---man this past year has been one > doozy!! I was sent to have a ultrasound because I was having really > bad cramps my PCM thought maybe I had cysts---that I do, and they > did a vaginal Ult. and said Bicournated uterus---well I was referred > to a GYN that was a witch--she was just so rude and crude---so to > make a long story short I switched OBGYN to no suprise of my PCM > office they said they dont refer any of their patients to her---- > since then(last summer) I had a Dignostic Lap and hystero and DNC > first surg....I had endo, and cysts.....MY uterus appeared to be > Septated from the SONOHYSTOGRAM and actually viewing it Lap it was > smooth round ya know not indinted----so well my dr was going to try > and do a septum resection(he hasent done too many but i didnt know > if Tricare would refer me so I told him he could do it< IT WAS big- - > well yeah its not resected---I just had my HSG yesterday to see > about it cause the SHG i had last month didnt realy help--- but yeah > it almost looks like G's BU or SU----except my middle part is > not white on the HSG its solid----so my dr was kinda like---it looks > septated on the outside and hysteroscopicl but This looks like it > could be bu----so He is sending the Pics to a Ferti. specialist at > Duke or Chapel hill that he usually consults with---and i go back on > Friday---- Have any of you ladies with out surg been able to carry a > baby? Thanks. > > Rhonda K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hey Cheryl! Well my OBGYN gave me the option of a second oppion but at the time my dh was having medical problems and I didntk now if he would be med discharged or what and we still dont know so i was looking for the fastest at the time I thought it would work---but well my dr apparently didnt even cut enough(I also had a BIG 6 cm cyst too---I was disappointed yesterday to discover that well I still have that BIG septum---its really huge!! and he is well not sure now---that surgery wasent too bad if you have already had a Lap and hystero I had one--one month prior--but this last surgery was alot worse but I realy think that BIG cysts had most to do with that----I would love to chat with you and find out what Dr you are going to at UNC in the TRICARE network! I dont really know if i want to have another surgery or just wait and see if i Miscarry---I know that sounds bad but my poor body has been thru so much in the past 6 months....If i get referred to UNC and they think they can resect it then i will probly go head(if i can get referred out there)I do however go to a civilian OBGYN cause Womack referred me out---Anyhow if you have yahoo messeger im me its nccountrybumpkin@... and i am on MSN some rhodann@... IT really does sound like our situations are alot alike!--- also like if the septum is vascular does that mean it has blood supply? so a baby could thrive off that? My dr is really concerned about if i was to get preg there not being ENOUGH room and thinks I would probly could miscarry not necessarly the first trimester but probly 2nd so uggg---I am so drained---I just want my hubby home finaly! Thanks for posting! Rhonda > > > > Hey everyone I am new to the group---man this past year has been > one > > doozy!! I was sent to have a ultrasound because I was having > really > > bad cramps my PCM thought maybe I had cysts---that I do, and they > > did a vaginal Ult. and said Bicournated uterus---well I was > referred > > to a GYN that was a witch--she was just so rude and crude---so to > > make a long story short I switched OBGYN to no suprise of my PCM > > office they said they dont refer any of their patients to her---- > > since then(last summer) I had a Dignostic Lap and hystero and DNC > > first surg....I had endo, and cysts.....MY uterus appeared to be > > Septated from the SONOHYSTOGRAM and actually viewing it Lap it was > > smooth round ya know not indinted----so well my dr was going to > try > > and do a septum resection(he hasent done too many but i didnt know > > if Tricare would refer me so I told him he could do it< IT WAS big- > - > > well yeah its not resected---I just had my HSG yesterday to see > > about it cause the SHG i had last month didnt realy help--- but > yeah > > it almost looks like G's BU or SU----except my middle part is > > not white on the HSG its solid----so my dr was kinda like---it > looks > > septated on the outside and hysteroscopicl but This looks like it > > could be bu----so He is sending the Pics to a Ferti. specialist at > > Duke or Chapel hill that he usually consults with---and i go back > on > > Friday---- Have any of you ladies with out surg been able to carry > a > > baby? Thanks. > > > > Rhonda K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hey Cheryl! Well my OBGYN gave me the option of a second oppion but at the time my dh was having medical problems and I didntk now if he would be med discharged or what and we still dont know so i was looking for the fastest at the time I thought it would work---but well my dr apparently didnt even cut enough(I also had a BIG 6 cm cyst too---I was disappointed yesterday to discover that well I still have that BIG septum---its really huge!! and he is well not sure now---that surgery wasent too bad if you have already had a Lap and hystero I had one--one month prior--but this last surgery was alot worse but I realy think that BIG cysts had most to do with that----I would love to chat with you and find out what Dr you are going to at UNC in the TRICARE network! I dont really know if i want to have another surgery or just wait and see if i Miscarry---I know that sounds bad but my poor body has been thru so much in the past 6 months....If i get referred to UNC and they think they can resect it then i will probly go head(if i can get referred out there)I do however go to a civilian OBGYN cause Womack referred me out---Anyhow if you have yahoo messeger im me its nccountrybumpkin@... and i am on MSN some rhodann@... IT really does sound like our situations are alot alike!--- also like if the septum is vascular does that mean it has blood supply? so a baby could thrive off that? My dr is really concerned about if i was to get preg there not being ENOUGH room and thinks I would probly could miscarry not necessarly the first trimester but probly 2nd so uggg---I am so drained---I just want my hubby home finaly! Thanks for posting! Rhonda > > > > Hey everyone I am new to the group---man this past year has been > one > > doozy!! I was sent to have a ultrasound because I was having > really > > bad cramps my PCM thought maybe I had cysts---that I do, and they > > did a vaginal Ult. and said Bicournated uterus---well I was > referred > > to a GYN that was a witch--she was just so rude and crude---so to > > make a long story short I switched OBGYN to no suprise of my PCM > > office they said they dont refer any of their patients to her---- > > since then(last summer) I had a Dignostic Lap and hystero and DNC > > first surg....I had endo, and cysts.....MY uterus appeared to be > > Septated from the SONOHYSTOGRAM and actually viewing it Lap it was > > smooth round ya know not indinted----so well my dr was going to > try > > and do a septum resection(he hasent done too many but i didnt know > > if Tricare would refer me so I told him he could do it< IT WAS big- > - > > well yeah its not resected---I just had my HSG yesterday to see > > about it cause the SHG i had last month didnt realy help--- but > yeah > > it almost looks like G's BU or SU----except my middle part is > > not white on the HSG its solid----so my dr was kinda like---it > looks > > septated on the outside and hysteroscopicl but This looks like it > > could be bu----so He is sending the Pics to a Ferti. specialist at > > Duke or Chapel hill that he usually consults with---and i go back > on > > Friday---- Have any of you ladies with out surg been able to carry > a > > baby? Thanks. > > > > Rhonda K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hey Cheryl! Well my OBGYN gave me the option of a second oppion but at the time my dh was having medical problems and I didntk now if he would be med discharged or what and we still dont know so i was looking for the fastest at the time I thought it would work---but well my dr apparently didnt even cut enough(I also had a BIG 6 cm cyst too---I was disappointed yesterday to discover that well I still have that BIG septum---its really huge!! and he is well not sure now---that surgery wasent too bad if you have already had a Lap and hystero I had one--one month prior--but this last surgery was alot worse but I realy think that BIG cysts had most to do with that----I would love to chat with you and find out what Dr you are going to at UNC in the TRICARE network! I dont really know if i want to have another surgery or just wait and see if i Miscarry---I know that sounds bad but my poor body has been thru so much in the past 6 months....If i get referred to UNC and they think they can resect it then i will probly go head(if i can get referred out there)I do however go to a civilian OBGYN cause Womack referred me out---Anyhow if you have yahoo messeger im me its nccountrybumpkin@... and i am on MSN some rhodann@... IT really does sound like our situations are alot alike!--- also like if the septum is vascular does that mean it has blood supply? so a baby could thrive off that? My dr is really concerned about if i was to get preg there not being ENOUGH room and thinks I would probly could miscarry not necessarly the first trimester but probly 2nd so uggg---I am so drained---I just want my hubby home finaly! Thanks for posting! Rhonda > > > > Hey everyone I am new to the group---man this past year has been > one > > doozy!! I was sent to have a ultrasound because I was having > really > > bad cramps my PCM thought maybe I had cysts---that I do, and they > > did a vaginal Ult. and said Bicournated uterus---well I was > referred > > to a GYN that was a witch--she was just so rude and crude---so to > > make a long story short I switched OBGYN to no suprise of my PCM > > office they said they dont refer any of their patients to her---- > > since then(last summer) I had a Dignostic Lap and hystero and DNC > > first surg....I had endo, and cysts.....MY uterus appeared to be > > Septated from the SONOHYSTOGRAM and actually viewing it Lap it was > > smooth round ya know not indinted----so well my dr was going to > try > > and do a septum resection(he hasent done too many but i didnt know > > if Tricare would refer me so I told him he could do it< IT WAS big- > - > > well yeah its not resected---I just had my HSG yesterday to see > > about it cause the SHG i had last month didnt realy help--- but > yeah > > it almost looks like G's BU or SU----except my middle part is > > not white on the HSG its solid----so my dr was kinda like---it > looks > > septated on the outside and hysteroscopicl but This looks like it > > could be bu----so He is sending the Pics to a Ferti. specialist at > > Duke or Chapel hill that he usually consults with---and i go back > on > > Friday---- Have any of you ladies with out surg been able to carry > a > > baby? Thanks. > > > > Rhonda K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hey Rhonda- You email address was sort of cut off in your message, so I'm just posting again. I know what you mean about wanting your hubby to get home! I'm in the same boat and its hard to deal with all this alone! I go to the OBGYN Clinic at Womack - I'm not sure if that's good or bad... And the doctor there would not refer me to any doctors in Fayetteville to determine whether I had SU or BU , since he didn't think anyone had the necessary expertise! So now I'm seeing Dr. Murray at UNC, and he's very nice, but I'll let you know my REAL opinion on him & UNC later this week (after surgery). They originally told me that if my septum was vascular - it *should* be able to support a pregnancy. But since my last pregnancy ended in the second trimester, they're not sure if the problem was that the septum did not have enough blood flow - or if the septum was so big that it restricted the growth of the baby. Its definitely much worse (mentally & emotionally) to lose a baby in the second trimester and I'd like to do everything possible to avoid going through that again. Hopefully I'll find out more about my chances after surgery on Thursday. From what I've seen, the doctors might want you to try to get pregnant and see what happens before doing anything else - but a lot of people on this board seek second and even third opinions before deciding what to do. So the decision is really up to you. Take care, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Yeah I go to Pinehurst Surgical Clinic and I was giving the option of a second oppi. but well at the time and the situation I had seen one dr that wasent even going to help me, she was rude, and didnt even want to investigate why I was having awful pain for past 6 plus years---And I thought that last surgery would fix it--but apparently he didtn even cut nearly enough lol i mean I really think my septum must have went ALLLLLL the way to the bottom of like my cervix apparenty before(I mean we have the first surg lap and hyst pics--- ahh I dont know I am just confused (I still feel good about my Dr-- he has done alot more for me then the other two I have had in my life that either told me my horrible cramps were normal or here pop these pills(he suspected I had endo to begin--first appt instead of blowing me off) so I do thank him for that. I think this Friday I will look into that second opp. at Chapel hill(after he tells me what ever) cause as we do know referrals CAN take forever lol I usually just call and bugg tricare hehe I hope they will let me have another septum resection(if i have a true sept.) cause it is covered but since i already had one---ugg but surely. Yeah the 2-3 trimester if not earlier is what he dr told me that would probly have a chance of loosing a baby cause theres not being enough room---he said it coudl be posible that it just push the septum and have room to grown--but holy cow i dont see how its BIG i am talking like wide-- oh when you were preggo you were going to womack? See I am just wondering if they will MAKE me go there--- since I live out in Cameron--well mid as well say Carthage--and my PCM is off post AND my GYN--and With all my problems if I was ever to get preg. i would feel more comfortable going to him cause he would want to see me MORE then probly the usual dr(I mean did womack consider you high risk and see you more?---if they did that for me I would probly not mind going there---I mean i know they cant do anything to prevent the misc but just for piece of mind i would like to be seen more--I might not have any choice) Rhonda > > Hey Rhonda- > You email address was sort of cut off in your message, so I'm just > posting again. I know what you mean about wanting your hubby to get > home! I'm in the same boat and its hard to deal with all this alone! > I go to the OBGYN Clinic at Womack - I'm not sure if that's good or > bad... And the doctor there would not refer me to any doctors in > Fayetteville to determine whether I had SU or BU , since he didn't > think anyone had the necessary expertise! So now I'm seeing Dr. > Murray at UNC, and he's very nice, but I'll let you know my REAL > opinion on him & UNC later this week (after surgery). > They originally told me that if my septum was vascular - it *should* > be able to support a pregnancy. But since my last pregnancy ended in > the second trimester, they're not sure if the problem was that the > septum did not have enough blood flow - or if the septum was so big > that it restricted the growth of the baby. Its definitely much worse > (mentally & emotionally) to lose a baby in the second trimester and > I'd like to do everything possible to avoid going through that > again. Hopefully I'll find out more about my chances after surgery > on Thursday. > From what I've seen, the doctors might want you to try to get > pregnant and see what happens before doing anything else - but a lot > of people on this board seek second and even third opinions before > deciding what to do. So the decision is really up to you. > Take care, > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Yeah I go to Pinehurst Surgical Clinic and I was giving the option of a second oppi. but well at the time and the situation I had seen one dr that wasent even going to help me, she was rude, and didnt even want to investigate why I was having awful pain for past 6 plus years---And I thought that last surgery would fix it--but apparently he didtn even cut nearly enough lol i mean I really think my septum must have went ALLLLLL the way to the bottom of like my cervix apparenty before(I mean we have the first surg lap and hyst pics--- ahh I dont know I am just confused (I still feel good about my Dr-- he has done alot more for me then the other two I have had in my life that either told me my horrible cramps were normal or here pop these pills(he suspected I had endo to begin--first appt instead of blowing me off) so I do thank him for that. I think this Friday I will look into that second opp. at Chapel hill(after he tells me what ever) cause as we do know referrals CAN take forever lol I usually just call and bugg tricare hehe I hope they will let me have another septum resection(if i have a true sept.) cause it is covered but since i already had one---ugg but surely. Yeah the 2-3 trimester if not earlier is what he dr told me that would probly have a chance of loosing a baby cause theres not being enough room---he said it coudl be posible that it just push the septum and have room to grown--but holy cow i dont see how its BIG i am talking like wide-- oh when you were preggo you were going to womack? See I am just wondering if they will MAKE me go there--- since I live out in Cameron--well mid as well say Carthage--and my PCM is off post AND my GYN--and With all my problems if I was ever to get preg. i would feel more comfortable going to him cause he would want to see me MORE then probly the usual dr(I mean did womack consider you high risk and see you more?---if they did that for me I would probly not mind going there---I mean i know they cant do anything to prevent the misc but just for piece of mind i would like to be seen more--I might not have any choice) Rhonda > > Hey Rhonda- > You email address was sort of cut off in your message, so I'm just > posting again. I know what you mean about wanting your hubby to get > home! I'm in the same boat and its hard to deal with all this alone! > I go to the OBGYN Clinic at Womack - I'm not sure if that's good or > bad... And the doctor there would not refer me to any doctors in > Fayetteville to determine whether I had SU or BU , since he didn't > think anyone had the necessary expertise! So now I'm seeing Dr. > Murray at UNC, and he's very nice, but I'll let you know my REAL > opinion on him & UNC later this week (after surgery). > They originally told me that if my septum was vascular - it *should* > be able to support a pregnancy. But since my last pregnancy ended in > the second trimester, they're not sure if the problem was that the > septum did not have enough blood flow - or if the septum was so big > that it restricted the growth of the baby. Its definitely much worse > (mentally & emotionally) to lose a baby in the second trimester and > I'd like to do everything possible to avoid going through that > again. Hopefully I'll find out more about my chances after surgery > on Thursday. > From what I've seen, the doctors might want you to try to get > pregnant and see what happens before doing anything else - but a lot > of people on this board seek second and even third opinions before > deciding what to do. So the decision is really up to you. > Take care, > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Yeah I go to Pinehurst Surgical Clinic and I was giving the option of a second oppi. but well at the time and the situation I had seen one dr that wasent even going to help me, she was rude, and didnt even want to investigate why I was having awful pain for past 6 plus years---And I thought that last surgery would fix it--but apparently he didtn even cut nearly enough lol i mean I really think my septum must have went ALLLLLL the way to the bottom of like my cervix apparenty before(I mean we have the first surg lap and hyst pics--- ahh I dont know I am just confused (I still feel good about my Dr-- he has done alot more for me then the other two I have had in my life that either told me my horrible cramps were normal or here pop these pills(he suspected I had endo to begin--first appt instead of blowing me off) so I do thank him for that. I think this Friday I will look into that second opp. at Chapel hill(after he tells me what ever) cause as we do know referrals CAN take forever lol I usually just call and bugg tricare hehe I hope they will let me have another septum resection(if i have a true sept.) cause it is covered but since i already had one---ugg but surely. Yeah the 2-3 trimester if not earlier is what he dr told me that would probly have a chance of loosing a baby cause theres not being enough room---he said it coudl be posible that it just push the septum and have room to grown--but holy cow i dont see how its BIG i am talking like wide-- oh when you were preggo you were going to womack? See I am just wondering if they will MAKE me go there--- since I live out in Cameron--well mid as well say Carthage--and my PCM is off post AND my GYN--and With all my problems if I was ever to get preg. i would feel more comfortable going to him cause he would want to see me MORE then probly the usual dr(I mean did womack consider you high risk and see you more?---if they did that for me I would probly not mind going there---I mean i know they cant do anything to prevent the misc but just for piece of mind i would like to be seen more--I might not have any choice) Rhonda > > Hey Rhonda- > You email address was sort of cut off in your message, so I'm just > posting again. I know what you mean about wanting your hubby to get > home! I'm in the same boat and its hard to deal with all this alone! > I go to the OBGYN Clinic at Womack - I'm not sure if that's good or > bad... And the doctor there would not refer me to any doctors in > Fayetteville to determine whether I had SU or BU , since he didn't > think anyone had the necessary expertise! So now I'm seeing Dr. > Murray at UNC, and he's very nice, but I'll let you know my REAL > opinion on him & UNC later this week (after surgery). > They originally told me that if my septum was vascular - it *should* > be able to support a pregnancy. But since my last pregnancy ended in > the second trimester, they're not sure if the problem was that the > septum did not have enough blood flow - or if the septum was so big > that it restricted the growth of the baby. Its definitely much worse > (mentally & emotionally) to lose a baby in the second trimester and > I'd like to do everything possible to avoid going through that > again. Hopefully I'll find out more about my chances after surgery > on Thursday. > From what I've seen, the doctors might want you to try to get > pregnant and see what happens before doing anything else - but a lot > of people on this board seek second and even third opinions before > deciding what to do. So the decision is really up to you. > Take care, > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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