RE: What's wrong with some of the comments in this articl e!

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Larry you said it all Brother!

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In a message dated 10/13/2005 10:27:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

And how many EMS agencies train for hazmat calls? Don't most claim it's a

fire function? What hazmat resources and training does YOUR system provide?

-Wes Ogilvie, still in Dudley's utopia ( County, Texas)

Wes,

For the most part it is a fire service function but not all over, Jersey

City EMS and UMDNJ in NJ and Allegheny County EMS is PA are three EMS systems

that have true HAZMAT Teams in their EMS services that I can name off the top

of my head.

That said,

If your not 1) trained to deal with HAZMAT and 2) properly equipped to deal

with HAZMAT and lastly 3) properly STAFFED on that particular cal and it turns

out to be HAZMAT you need to remember Rules number one and two of EMS.

Rule 1: I am the most important thing on the scene and I MUST go home after

this call in one piece

Rule 2: My partner is the second most important thing on the scene and he or

she must go home after this call again in one piece.

As for what EMS services train for HAZMAT it is my considered opinion that

EVERY EMS agency regardless of operational mode should train ALL street EMS

folks to the Level of Operations (29 CFR 1910.120 (q)(6)) specific to their

agency as well as to the ways that the area they serve operate. Do they all well

we all know the answer to that one.

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COMMENTS EMBEDDED

EMS Exposure To Phosphine

It's toxic and can be deadly. But officials still have not said whether the

chemical found in a Salem apartment is what sent four people to the hospital

Friday. The chemical involved is a pesticide: Aluminum Phosphide When it breaks

down it produces a toxic gas called Phosphine. Those poisonous fumes are

released when it's exposed to moist air, water or acids.

When the Salem Ambulance was dispatched to the Salem Apartments last Friday,

the crew thought they were being called out to help someone who'd gotten sick.

But what they found on the scene could put their own health at risk.

COMMENT: 'Sick call' is too nebulous. Did the dispatcher TRY to get more

specifics?

The two man crew of the McCook County Ambulance is actually a father and son

team. And while they'll tell you it's just part of the job, the events of the

past few days have given them new perspective for every call.

COMMENT: Glad they are alive to realize they need a new perspective.

This ambulance has become a common sight in Salem over the past 30 years. Brad

Stiefvater has, too. So last Friday when both headed out, everyone here figured

it was just business as usual. Brad Stiefvater, McCook County Ambulance, says "

This would be like any other medical call. It came in as a medical call, as any

other call would. "

COMMENT: Complacency Kills!

But the sick person call at this Salem apartment house proved to be unlike any

other medical call this crew has seen. Stiefvater explains, " Based on some

thing, some signs that we seen, yeah it set off some red flags. "

Still they didn't let those red flags stop them from doing their job.

Stiefvater says, " There's not an ambulance service, a police officer that's

assisting on a medical call, or any other first responder agency that is going

to treat a medical call other than coming in to assist and take care of a

medical call. "

COMMENT: They sensed 'reg flags' but kept on keeping on?

Are these people so narrow-minded, their notepads are one inch wide? Sheesh.

Darwin is a sunuvagun in survival of the fittest. These people were lucky. This

article could have read " Ambulance crew croaks from not paying attention " .

The Stiefvaters took care of their patient, even took time to evacuate others

from the building, all the while exposing themselves to the deadly gas inside.

He says, " There is concern, you know I won't say there's no concern at all. "

COMMENT: But this twit is going to be fat, dumb and happy...

Homeland security money put a Disaster Response Trailer and a team of

volunteers at the ready. Stiefvater explains, " We do train for this, we

trained, we had an exercise the Tuesday before the event... we trained for this

very thing. "

COMMENT: Why bother using homeland security money for equipment, training and a

trailer? If they had trained the Tuesday prior, why the heck did they act the

way they did? That wasn't training; that was Short Attention Span Theater or

wasted time... at least with these two.

Personal Protective Equipment, or PPE, suits were also on hand to protect those

going into the scene now that officials knew what they were facing. Stiefvater

says, " You know, obviously if you knew, of you had information more than just

a medical call we can use our PPEs and go in that way. "

COMMENT: Hey, Dimbulb! DID YOU ASK? DID YOU CHECK?!?!

But the ambulance crew didn't know then what they know now. Stiefvater says, " I

don't expect any kind of long-term effect really. I feel safe saying that. "

The crew says they've felt fine despite their exposure to Phosphine and they'd

handle a similar call the same way again. Yet, doctors say the toxic gas has

been known to cause serious health problems which don't appear until even days

later.

COMMENT: These people are too stupid to live, and if they keep it up, they won't

be!

Larry RN, LP

Houston Texas

[Guest guest]

And how many EMS agencies train for hazmat calls? Don't most claim it's a fire

function? What hazmat resources and training does YOUR system provide?

-Wes Ogilvie, still in Dudley's utopia ( County, Texas)

RE: What's wrong with some of the comments in this articl

e!

COMMENTS EMBEDDED

EMS Exposure To Phosphine

It's toxic and can be deadly. But officials still have not said whether the

chemical found in a Salem apartment is what sent four people to the hospital

Friday. The chemical involved is a pesticide: Aluminum Phosphide When it breaks

down it produces a toxic gas called Phosphine. Those poisonous fumes are

released when it's exposed to moist air, water or acids.

When the Salem Ambulance was dispatched to the Salem Apartments last Friday,

the crew thought they were being called out to help someone who'd gotten sick.

But what they found on the scene could put their own health at risk.

COMMENT: 'Sick call' is too nebulous. Did the dispatcher TRY to get more

specifics?

The two man crew of the McCook County Ambulance is actually a father and son

team. And while they'll tell you it's just part of the job, the events of the

past few days have given them new perspective for every call.

COMMENT: Glad they are alive to realize they need a new perspective.

This ambulance has become a common sight in Salem over the past 30 years. Brad

Stiefvater has, too. So last Friday when both headed out, everyone here figured

it was just business as usual. Brad Stiefvater, McCook County Ambulance, says "

This would be like any other medical call. It came in as a medical call, as any

other call would. "

COMMENT: Complacency Kills!

But the sick person call at this Salem apartment house proved to be unlike any

other medical call this crew has seen. Stiefvater explains, " Based on some

thing, some signs that we seen, yeah it set off some red flags. "

Still they didn't let those red flags stop them from doing their job.

Stiefvater says, " There's not an ambulance service, a police officer that's

assisting on a medical call, or any other first responder agency that is going

to treat a medical call other than coming in to assist and take care of a

medical call. "

COMMENT: They sensed 'reg flags' but kept on keeping on?

Are these people so narrow-minded, their notepads are one inch wide? Sheesh.

Darwin is a sunuvagun in survival of the fittest. These people were lucky. This

article could have read " Ambulance crew croaks from not paying attention " .

The Stiefvaters took care of their patient, even took time to evacuate others

from the building, all the while exposing themselves to the deadly gas inside.

He says, " There is concern, you know I won't say there's no concern at all. "

COMMENT: But this twit is going to be fat, dumb and happy...

Homeland security money put a Disaster Response Trailer and a team of

volunteers at the ready. Stiefvater explains, " We do train for this, we

trained, we had an exercise the Tuesday before the event... we trained for this

very thing. "

COMMENT: Why bother using homeland security money for equipment, training and a

trailer? If they had trained the Tuesday prior, why the heck did they act the

way they did? That wasn't training; that was Short Attention Span Theater or

wasted time... at least with these two.

Personal Protective Equipment, or PPE, suits were also on hand to protect those

going into the scene now that officials knew what they were facing. Stiefvater

says, " You know, obviously if you knew, of you had information more than just

a medical call we can use our PPEs and go in that way. "

COMMENT: Hey, Dimbulb! DID YOU ASK? DID YOU CHECK?!?!

But the ambulance crew didn't know then what they know now. Stiefvater says, " I

don't expect any kind of long-term effect really. I feel safe saying that. "

The crew says they've felt fine despite their exposure to Phosphine and they'd

handle a similar call the same way again. Yet, doctors say the toxic gas has

been known to cause serious health problems which don't appear until even days

later.

COMMENT: These people are too stupid to live, and if they keep it up, they won't

be!

Larry RN, LP

Houston Texas

[Guest guest]

-- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

And how many EMS agencies train for hazmat calls? Don't most claim it's a fire

function? What hazmat resources and training does YOUR system provide?

HAZMAT awareness and Scene Safety is SUPPOSED to be part of all levels of EMS

curriculum. Scene awareness is the standard, not scene cluelessness.

" Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is

love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous

Larry in Houston

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Wes -

I am Oliver Cromwell when it comes to scene safety. I had a partner shot to

death years ago in Tulsa, and he died because things about the scene rang alarm

bells, I had a bad feeling, told him about it, but he chose to 'save the world'

anyway. He caught a load of 12g OO in the chest, walking up to an unlit door at

night and ringing the bell.

Seems the guy who did the shooting had killed his family and dog, and decided it

was like peanuts - if a few are good, more is better. I survived because I

relied on my training and instincts.

" Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is

love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous

Larry in Houston

-- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

And how many EMS agencies train for hazmat calls? Don't most claim it's a fire

function? What hazmat resources and training does YOUR system provide?

-Wes Ogilvie, still in Dudley's utopia ( County, Texas)

RE: What's wrong with some of the comments in this articl

e!

COMMENTS EMBEDDED

EMS Exposure To Phosphine

It's toxic and can be deadly. But officials still have not said whether the

chemical found in a Salem apartment is what sent four people to the hospital

Friday. The chemical involved is a pesticide: Aluminum Phosphide When it breaks

down it produces a toxic gas called Phosphine. Those poisonous fumes are

released when it's exposed to moist air, water or acids.

When the Salem Ambulance was dispatched to the Salem Apartments last Friday,

the crew thought they were being called out to help someone who'd gotten sick.

But what they found on the scene could put their own health at risk.

COMMENT: 'Sick call' is too nebulous. Did the dispatcher TRY to get more

specifics?

The two man crew of the McCook County Ambulance is actually a father and son

team. And while they'll tell you it's just part of the job, the events of the

past few days have given them new perspective for every call.

COMMENT: Glad they are alive to realize they need a new perspective.

This ambulance has become a common sight in Salem over the past 30 years. Brad

Stiefvater has, too. So last Friday when both headed out, everyone here figured

it was just business as usual. Brad Stiefvater, McCook County Ambulance, says "

This would be like any other medical call. It came in as a medical call, as any

other call would. "

COMMENT: Complacency Kills!

But the sick person call at this Salem apartment house proved to be unlike any

other medical call this crew has seen. Stiefvater explains, " Based on some

thing, some signs that we seen, yeah it set off some red flags. "

Still they didn't let those red flags stop them from doing their job.

Stiefvater says, " There's not an ambulance service, a police officer that's

assisting on a medical call, or any other first responder agency that is going

to treat a medical call other than coming in to assist and take care of a

medical call. "

COMMENT: They sensed 'reg flags' but kept on keeping on?

Are these people so narrow-minded, their notepads are one inch wide? Sheesh.

Darwin is a sunuvagun in survival of the fittest. These people were lucky. This

article could have read " Ambulance crew croaks from not paying attention " .

The Stiefvaters took care of their patient, even took time to evacuate others

from the building, all the while exposing themselves to the deadly gas inside.

He says, " There is concern, you know I won't say there's no concern at all. "

COMMENT: But this twit is going to be fat, dumb and happy...

Homeland security money put a Disaster Response Trailer and a team of

volunteers at the ready. Stiefvater explains, " We do train for this, we

trained, we had an exercise the Tuesday before the event... we trained for this

very thing. "

COMMENT: Why bother using homeland security money for equipment, training and a

trailer? If they had trained the Tuesday prior, why the heck did they act the

way they did? That wasn't training; that was Short Attention Span Theater or

wasted time... at least with these two.

Personal Protective Equipment, or PPE, suits were also on hand to protect those

going into the scene now that officials knew what they were facing. Stiefvater

says, " You know, obviously if you knew, of you had information more than just

a medical call we can use our PPEs and go in that way. "

COMMENT: Hey, Dimbulb! DID YOU ASK? DID YOU CHECK?!?!

But the ambulance crew didn't know then what they know now. Stiefvater says, " I

don't expect any kind of long-term effect really. I feel safe saying that. "

The crew says they've felt fine despite their exposure to Phosphine and they'd

handle a similar call the same way again. Yet, doctors say the toxic gas has

been known to cause serious health problems which don't appear until even days

later.

COMMENT: These people are too stupid to live, and if they keep it up, they won't

be!

Larry RN, LP

Houston Texas

[Guest guest]

isn;t there an old saying (or maybe it's a C & W

song-not sure i'm allergic) about God protects drunks

and morons.

from what i read this stuff is not like CO

(colorless.odorless,tasteless,non-irritating) but:

Phosphine

Description

Phosphine is a colorless, flammable, and toxic gas

with an odor of garlic or decaying fish.

jim davis

--- Larry wrote:

>

> COMMENTS EMBEDDED

>

> EMS Exposure To Phosphine

> It's toxic and can be deadly. But officials still

> have not said whether the chemical found in a Salem

> apartment is what sent four people to the hospital

> Friday. The chemical involved is a pesticide:

> Aluminum Phosphide When it breaks down it produces a

> toxic gas called Phosphine. Those poisonous fumes

> are released when it's exposed to moist air, water

> or acids.

>

>

> When the Salem Ambulance was dispatched to the Salem

> Apartments last Friday, the crew thought they were

> being called out to help someone who'd gotten sick.

> But what they found on the scene could put their own

> health at risk.

>

> COMMENT: 'Sick call' is too nebulous. Did the

> dispatcher TRY to get more specifics?

>

> The two man crew of the McCook County Ambulance is

> actually a father and son team. And while they'll

> tell you it's just part of the job, the events of

> the past few days have given them new perspective

> for every call.

>

> COMMENT: Glad they are alive to realize they need a

> new perspective.

>

> This ambulance has become a common sight in Salem

> over the past 30 years. Brad Stiefvater has, too.

> So last Friday when both headed out, everyone here

> figured it was just business as usual. Brad

> Stiefvater, McCook County Ambulance, says " This

> would be like any other medical call. It came in as

> a medical call, as any other call would. "

>

> COMMENT: Complacency Kills!

>

> But the sick person call at this Salem apartment

> house proved to be unlike any other medical call

> this crew has seen. Stiefvater explains, " Based on

> some thing, some signs that we seen, yeah it set off

> some red flags. "

>

> Still they didn't let those red flags stop them from

> doing their job. Stiefvater says, " There's not an

> ambulance service, a police officer that's

> assisting on a medical call, or any other first

> responder agency that is going to treat a medical

> call other than coming in to assist and take care of

> a medical call. "

>

> COMMENT: They sensed 'reg flags' but kept on keeping

> on?

> Are these people so narrow-minded, their notepads

> are one inch wide? Sheesh.

>

> Darwin is a sunuvagun in survival of the fittest.

> These people were lucky. This article could have

> read " Ambulance crew croaks from not paying

> attention " .

>

> The Stiefvaters took care of their patient, even

> took time to evacuate others from the building, all

> the while exposing themselves to the deadly gas

> inside. He says, " There is concern, you know I won't

> say there's no concern at all. "

>

> COMMENT: But this twit is going to be fat, dumb and

> happy...

>

> Homeland security money put a Disaster Response

> Trailer and a team of volunteers at the ready.

> Stiefvater explains, " We do train for this, we

> trained, we had an exercise the Tuesday before the

> event... we trained for this very thing. "

>

> COMMENT: Why bother using homeland security money

> for equipment, training and a trailer? If they had

> trained the Tuesday prior, why the heck did they act

> the way they did? That wasn't training; that was

> Short Attention Span Theater or wasted time... at

> least with these two.

>

>

> Personal Protective Equipment, or PPE, suits were

> also on hand to protect those going into the scene

> now that officials knew what they were facing.

> Stiefvater says, " You know, obviously if you knew,

> of you had information more than just a medical call

> we can use our PPEs and go in that way. "

>

> COMMENT: Hey, Dimbulb! DID YOU ASK? DID YOU

> CHECK?!?!

>

> But the ambulance crew didn't know then what they

> know now. Stiefvater says, " I don't expect any kind

> of long-term effect really. I feel safe saying

> that. "

>

> The crew says they've felt fine despite their

> exposure to Phosphine and they'd handle a similar

> call the same way again. Yet, doctors say the toxic

> gas has been known to cause serious health problems

> which don't appear until even days later.

>

> COMMENT: These people are too stupid to live, and if

> they keep it up, they won't be!

>

> Larry RN, LP

> Houston Texas

>

>

>

>

>

>

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sorry , I don't like fish ;-)

RE: What's wrong with some of the comments in this

articl e!

isn;t there an old saying (or maybe it's a C & W

song-not sure i'm allergic) about God protects drunks

and morons.

from what i read this stuff is not like CO

(colorless.odorless,tasteless,non-irritating) but:

Phosphine

Description

Phosphine is a colorless, flammable, and toxic gas

with an odor of garlic or decaying fish.

jim davis

--- Larry wrote:

>

> COMMENTS EMBEDDED

>

> EMS Exposure To Phosphine

> It's toxic and can be deadly. But officials still

> have not said whether the chemical found in a Salem

> apartment is what sent four people to the hospital

> Friday. The chemical involved is a pesticide:

> Aluminum Phosphide When it breaks down it produces a

> toxic gas called Phosphine. Those poisonous fumes

> are released when it's exposed to moist air, water

> or acids.

>

>

> When the Salem Ambulance was dispatched to the Salem

> Apartments last Friday, the crew thought they were

> being called out to help someone who'd gotten sick.

> But what they found on the scene could put their own

> health at risk.

>

> COMMENT: 'Sick call' is too nebulous. Did the

> dispatcher TRY to get more specifics?

>

> The two man crew of the McCook County Ambulance is

> actually a father and son team. And while they'll

> tell you it's just part of the job, the events of

> the past few days have given them new perspective

> for every call.

>

> COMMENT: Glad they are alive to realize they need a

> new perspective.

>

> This ambulance has become a common sight in Salem

> over the past 30 years. Brad Stiefvater has, too.

> So last Friday when both headed out, everyone here

> figured it was just business as usual. Brad

> Stiefvater, McCook County Ambulance, says " This

> would be like any other medical call. It came in as

> a medical call, as any other call would. "

>

> COMMENT: Complacency Kills!

>

> But the sick person call at this Salem apartment

> house proved to be unlike any other medical call

> this crew has seen. Stiefvater explains, " Based on

> some thing, some signs that we seen, yeah it set off

> some red flags. "

>

> Still they didn't let those red flags stop them from

> doing their job. Stiefvater says, " There's not an

> ambulance service, a police officer that's

> assisting on a medical call, or any other first

> responder agency that is going to treat a medical

> call other than coming in to assist and take care of

> a medical call. "

>

> COMMENT: They sensed 'reg flags' but kept on keeping

> on?

> Are these people so narrow-minded, their notepads

> are one inch wide? Sheesh.

>

> Darwin is a sunuvagun in survival of the fittest.

> These people were lucky. This article could have

> read " Ambulance crew croaks from not paying

> attention " .

>

> The Stiefvaters took care of their patient, even

> took time to evacuate others from the building, all

> the while exposing themselves to the deadly gas

> inside. He says, " There is concern, you know I won't

> say there's no concern at all. "

>

> COMMENT: But this twit is going to be fat, dumb and

> happy...

>

> Homeland security money put a Disaster Response

> Trailer and a team of volunteers at the ready.

> Stiefvater explains, " We do train for this, we

> trained, we had an exercise the Tuesday before the

> event... we trained for this very thing. "

>

> COMMENT: Why bother using homeland security money

> for equipment, training and a trailer? If they had

> trained the Tuesday prior, why the heck did they act

> the way they did? That wasn't training; that was

> Short Attention Span Theater or wasted time... at

> least with these two.

>

>

> Personal Protective Equipment, or PPE, suits were

> also on hand to protect those going into the scene

> now that officials knew what they were facing.

> Stiefvater says, " You know, obviously if you knew,

> of you had information more than just a medical call

> we can use our PPEs and go in that way. "

>

> COMMENT: Hey, Dimbulb! DID YOU ASK? DID YOU

> CHECK?!?!

>

> But the ambulance crew didn't know then what they

> know now. Stiefvater says, " I don't expect any kind

> of long-term effect really. I feel safe saying

> that. "

>

> The crew says they've felt fine despite their

> exposure to Phosphine and they'd handle a similar

> call the same way again. Yet, doctors say the toxic

> gas has been known to cause serious health problems

> which don't appear until even days later.

>

> COMMENT: These people are too stupid to live, and if

> they keep it up, they won't be!

>

> Larry RN, LP

> Houston Texas

>

>

>

>

>

>

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