Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? Glad you walked away from that one to be able to tell this story. Guess that was a Christmas present to you and your partner. Larry RN LP " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote: > > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " I also recall a run the night before on Christmas Eve when I heard the funniest thing I ever heard on the radio. While sitting at a post in East Fort Worth, we tuned over to a med channel to listen to another unit's patient report. It went like this: " JPS, this is MedStar 34, Paramedic Navarro. We're enroute with a 26 year old male. He was doing some last minute Christmas shoplifting when he was apprehended and assaulted by store security. " Merry Christmas, Kenny! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote: > > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " I also recall a run the night before on Christmas Eve when I heard the funniest thing I ever heard on the radio. While sitting at a post in East Fort Worth, we tuned over to a med channel to listen to another unit's patient report. It went like this: " JPS, this is MedStar 34, Paramedic Navarro. We're enroute with a 26 year old male. He was doing some last minute Christmas shoplifting when he was apprehended and assaulted by store security. " Merry Christmas, Kenny! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 dustdevil31 wrote: Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote: > > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... I also recall a run the night before on Christmas Eve when I heard the funniest thing I ever heard on the radio. While sitting at a post in East Fort Worth, we tuned over to a med channel to listen to another unit's patient report. It went like this: " JPS, this is MedStar 34, Paramedic Navarro. We're enroute with a 26 year old male. He was doing some last minute Christmas shoplifting when he was apprehended and assaulted by store security. " COMMENT: We just can't have any procrastinating shoplifters can we? (LOL) " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 dustdevil31 wrote: Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote: > > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... I also recall a run the night before on Christmas Eve when I heard the funniest thing I ever heard on the radio. While sitting at a post in East Fort Worth, we tuned over to a med channel to listen to another unit's patient report. It went like this: " JPS, this is MedStar 34, Paramedic Navarro. We're enroute with a 26 year old male. He was doing some last minute Christmas shoplifting when he was apprehended and assaulted by store security. " COMMENT: We just can't have any procrastinating shoplifters can we? (LOL) " The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? Glad you walked away from that one to be able to tell this story. Guess that was a Christmas present to you and your partner. 1986. Scene Safety was wearing latex gloves. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being shot. I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being shot. I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 " Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote: > > But it only takes once to ruin your day. I'll wait for the guys with > the guns and body armor. Funny you should mention that. Twice I have had a shooting scene turn hot on me. In both incidents, the scene was already full of police. Like Mr. said, if you are assuming your scenes are " safe " because there are blue suits there, you're playing a dangerous game. And you STILL need to be wearing body armour. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 There might very well be many examples of a scene going bad because of police presence, but that EMT patch doesn't make us exempt from catching a bullet. Sure, we are mostly seen as the folks in the white hats, but you get somebody who is not in their right mind due to mental disorder or drugs and /or alcohol, and you could very easily end up as a statistic. I had my close call back in 89, and for a 19 year old kid it was one heck of a wakeup call. Now, I never said to assume that everything is hunky dory just because the cops are around. We should always be careful, watch each others backs, assume nothing and never get cut off from a way out. Crosby EMT-B Re: A Christmas Story " Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote: > > But it only takes once to ruin your day. I'll wait for the guys with > the guns and body armor. Funny you should mention that. Twice I have had a shooting scene turn hot on me. In both incidents, the scene was already full of police. Like Mr. said, if you are assuming your scenes are " safe " because there are blue suits there, you're playing a dangerous game. And you STILL need to be wearing body armour. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 There might very well be many examples of a scene going bad because of police presence, but that EMT patch doesn't make us exempt from catching a bullet. Sure, we are mostly seen as the folks in the white hats, but you get somebody who is not in their right mind due to mental disorder or drugs and /or alcohol, and you could very easily end up as a statistic. I had my close call back in 89, and for a 19 year old kid it was one heck of a wakeup call. Now, I never said to assume that everything is hunky dory just because the cops are around. We should always be careful, watch each others backs, assume nothing and never get cut off from a way out. Crosby EMT-B Re: A Christmas Story " Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote: > > But it only takes once to ruin your day. I'll wait for the guys with > the guns and body armor. Funny you should mention that. Twice I have had a shooting scene turn hot on me. In both incidents, the scene was already full of police. Like Mr. said, if you are assuming your scenes are " safe " because there are blue suits there, you're playing a dangerous game. And you STILL need to be wearing body armour. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 There might very well be many examples of a scene going bad because of police presence, but that EMT patch doesn't make us exempt from catching a bullet. Sure, we are mostly seen as the folks in the white hats, but you get somebody who is not in their right mind due to mental disorder or drugs and /or alcohol, and you could very easily end up as a statistic. I had my close call back in 89, and for a 19 year old kid it was one heck of a wakeup call. Now, I never said to assume that everything is hunky dory just because the cops are around. We should always be careful, watch each others backs, assume nothing and never get cut off from a way out. Crosby EMT-B Re: A Christmas Story " Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote: > > But it only takes once to ruin your day. I'll wait for the guys with > the guns and body armor. Funny you should mention that. Twice I have had a shooting scene turn hot on me. In both incidents, the scene was already full of police. Like Mr. said, if you are assuming your scenes are " safe " because there are blue suits there, you're playing a dangerous game. And you STILL need to be wearing body armour. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Silly Mike... That is like saying there is less than a tenth of a percent chance of getting HIV on an infected patient, so why wear gloves? Don't take a chance on your family loosing you at work by just going in. Take the extra minute and wait for the police. We would hate to lose anyone in this EMS family. Hope everyone is having a good Holiday. > > > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... > > Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the > shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, > etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional > stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the > police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a > threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being > shot. > > I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case > where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the > " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many > shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them > was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Silly Mike... That is like saying there is less than a tenth of a percent chance of getting HIV on an infected patient, so why wear gloves? Don't take a chance on your family loosing you at work by just going in. Take the extra minute and wait for the police. We would hate to lose anyone in this EMS family. Hope everyone is having a good Holiday. > > > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... > > Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the > shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, > etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional > stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the > police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a > threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being > shot. > > I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case > where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the > " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many > shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them > was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Silly Mike... That is like saying there is less than a tenth of a percent chance of getting HIV on an infected patient, so why wear gloves? Don't take a chance on your family loosing you at work by just going in. Take the extra minute and wait for the police. We would hate to lose anyone in this EMS family. Hope everyone is having a good Holiday. > > > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... > > Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the > shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, > etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional > stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the > police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a > threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being > shot. > > I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case > where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the > " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many > shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them > was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 In a message dated 25-Dec-05 18:25:15 Central Standard Time, THEDUDMAN@... writes: Mike, Hate to correct you (and show my age) but in 1986 Latex Gloves were what ladies wore to wash dishes...we had a box of them on the truck...but for the life of me we sure didn't know why. Dudley Odd...the lab and hospital folks were starting to use gloves with IV starts and blood draws as far back as 1976. ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 In a message dated 25-Dec-05 18:25:15 Central Standard Time, THEDUDMAN@... writes: Mike, Hate to correct you (and show my age) but in 1986 Latex Gloves were what ladies wore to wash dishes...we had a box of them on the truck...but for the life of me we sure didn't know why. Dudley Odd...the lab and hospital folks were starting to use gloves with IV starts and blood draws as far back as 1976. ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 > Silly Mike... That is like saying there is less than a tenth of a > percent chance of getting HIV on an infected patient, so why wear > gloves? Don't take a chance on your family loosing you at work by > just going in. Take the extra minute and wait for the police. We > would hate to lose anyone in this EMS family. Hope everyone is > having a good Holiday. Sal - Everything we do has risks - running code 3, starting iv's (even with gloves on), intubating, working MVA's in the middle of traffic... It's about safely learning to evaluate and manage those risks. By your example, you never know when your patient mght squirt fluids on you, so you should gown up, glass up, and wear an N-95 mask at all times, eh? Safety isn't silly, but fear is - and fear is overcome through training and understanding. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 > Silly Mike... That is like saying there is less than a tenth of a > percent chance of getting HIV on an infected patient, so why wear > gloves? Don't take a chance on your family loosing you at work by > just going in. Take the extra minute and wait for the police. We > would hate to lose anyone in this EMS family. Hope everyone is > having a good Holiday. Sal - Everything we do has risks - running code 3, starting iv's (even with gloves on), intubating, working MVA's in the middle of traffic... It's about safely learning to evaluate and manage those risks. By your example, you never know when your patient mght squirt fluids on you, so you should gown up, glass up, and wear an N-95 mask at all times, eh? Safety isn't silly, but fear is - and fear is overcome through training and understanding. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 > Silly Mike... That is like saying there is less than a tenth of a > percent chance of getting HIV on an infected patient, so why wear > gloves? Don't take a chance on your family loosing you at work by > just going in. Take the extra minute and wait for the police. We > would hate to lose anyone in this EMS family. Hope everyone is > having a good Holiday. Sal - Everything we do has risks - running code 3, starting iv's (even with gloves on), intubating, working MVA's in the middle of traffic... It's about safely learning to evaluate and manage those risks. By your example, you never know when your patient mght squirt fluids on you, so you should gown up, glass up, and wear an N-95 mask at all times, eh? Safety isn't silly, but fear is - and fear is overcome through training and understanding. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Mike, Hate to correct you (and show my age) but in 1986 Latex Gloves were what ladies wore to wash dishes...we had a box of them on the truck...but for the life of me we sure didn't know why. Dudley Re: A Christmas Story > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? Glad you walked away from that one to be able to tell this story. Guess that was a Christmas present to you and your partner. 1986. Scene Safety was wearing latex gloves. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Mike, Hate to correct you (and show my age) but in 1986 Latex Gloves were what ladies wore to wash dishes...we had a box of them on the truck...but for the life of me we sure didn't know why. Dudley Re: A Christmas Story > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? Glad you walked away from that one to be able to tell this story. Guess that was a Christmas present to you and your partner. 1986. Scene Safety was wearing latex gloves. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Mike, Hate to correct you (and show my age) but in 1986 Latex Gloves were what ladies wore to wash dishes...we had a box of them on the truck...but for the life of me we sure didn't know why. Dudley Re: A Christmas Story > Not exactly a Hallmark Moment.... > > Rather cavalier on scene safety, weren't you? Glad you walked away from that one to be able to tell this story. Guess that was a Christmas present to you and your partner. 1986. Scene Safety was wearing latex gloves. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 I on the other hand almost worked one too many with no PD. We were dispatched to a “person down”. Upon our arrival, sure enough we found a woman lying supine in the front yard, it was about midnight and the only lights were the rotating lights from the rig. Upon patient contact we noticed the bullet holes clearly present in her chest. Shortly after the shooter approached up (pointing the weapon at us) saying, “I didn’t shoot the *CENSORED FOR THE CHILDREN ON THE LIST* for you to come and save her sorry ass”. We left, she died….. You only live once, but don’t push your luck, Tater Mike wrote: On 12/24/05, Larry wrote: > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being shot. I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 I on the other hand almost worked one too many with no PD. We were dispatched to a “person down”. Upon our arrival, sure enough we found a woman lying supine in the front yard, it was about midnight and the only lights were the rotating lights from the rig. Upon patient contact we noticed the bullet holes clearly present in her chest. Shortly after the shooter approached up (pointing the weapon at us) saying, “I didn’t shoot the *CENSORED FOR THE CHILDREN ON THE LIST* for you to come and save her sorry ass”. We left, she died….. You only live once, but don’t push your luck, Tater Mike wrote: On 12/24/05, Larry wrote: > > I specifically remember that on this run it was not dispatched as a > shooting. As we were getting out of the truck, dispatch finally > updated us with, " This is reported to be a shooting. " > > COMMENT: As your blood runs cold, you roll your eyes and say " Gee, thanks dispatch! " to yourself... Sidenote: from personal experience, once the shooter has done the shooting, they're done with the shooting. Bystanders, paramedics, etc. are safe. What will cause additional shooting is additional stimulus, such as emotional family members, friends, etc. - or the police showing up. Generally, EMS isn't a stimulus because it's not a threat to the shooter - it's an expected response to someone being shot. I'm not preaching running into every scene willy nilly, but in a case where the police are a long way off, you can use your knowledge of the " rest of the scene " to consider making an approach. I've worked many shooting scenes as a medic without police on scene - every one of them was stable, at least UNTIL the police arrived... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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