Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Hi Lori - I am glad that you felt better after reading my post. I think that many women have had c-sections with MAs due to the position of the baby. I just passed an article onto a friend that said " C-sections in 2003 were at a rate of 27% of all live births, the highest # ever in the U.S. " She wants to have a VBAC but isn't sure what the doc's policy is. Anyway, I would be grateful that you've received so much extra care, I didn't realize that you were on modified bed-rest for 8 months. I know that must have been challenging but its so important for women who are high risk to be seen more often. I also think that in a first pregnancy you really need assurance that what you are feeling is OK. There are so many aches & pains that its sometimes tough to distinguish it. I certainly didn't know I was in labor when I bled at 34 weeks but I was. Without the heart beat monitor & cervical check at the hospital I might not have known and my baby came so fast after that. My water broke there and Emma arrived 3 hours later. I can't really say if the pain you are feeling is normal. Do you feel like perhaps the baby is moving further down the birth canal? Discomfort unfortunately is normal near the end. I had that round ligament pain that felt like pulled muscles but that was about it. So I had no real pre-term labor symptoms except the bleeding that I was in labor at 34 weeks. It had been almost 2 weeks since I had been to the OB due to the Christmas holiday and my appt. was 2 days after I delivered her. I think if I was seen weekly they might have caught it but who knows, I can't change the past. But my advice would be to really call or go in if you think its labor pains or if there is any bleeding. The fact that your cervix is closed is good but don't be afraid to call if anything changes. I'm sure you'll find out lots more at your detailed ultrasound next week. The only bit of info that I left out was that this year (June 2004) I had a lap/hyst surgery in Cincinnati (where we live now) to determine my " true shape " . I had MRIs and U/s scans but a NY doc (my reproductive endocrinologist) thought I was SU and I was in his care when I was pregnant and delivered in Syracuse so that's the label I got (SU). So even an experienced RE in NY thought I was SU although I'm BU which we discovered in the lap/hyst. My current doc said that the retained placenta was a big clue that I was likely BU. The procedure went well, they did nothing to correct it since research shows its best to leave a BU alone and I was back to my old self in 3 days. So I believe that for those unsure of their true shape, the lap/hyst is really the gold standard & best procedure to really know your MA & correct it if necessary. Onto your question about other children....well I'm not sure. We also aren't getting any younger and feel quite blessed to have Emma who is really healthy. We have a web site we created when she was born and I'll enclose the link http://www.mindspring.com/~brennand/emma/ We'll update it again after she turns 2 . My current OB (who has 4 kids) knows that I'm an information junkie about MAs now and he reminded me that BU women often have positive outcomes. He believes that I have a good chance of going further than 34 weeks if I get pg. again and with close monitoring I'd probably do well. He also said that we now have Emma as an example of what happened, we see she's healthy and we know what to look for. I " ll keep you posted. Emma's up from a nap so I must go but feel free to write me more here or to my email. Bye for now. Hang in there!!!! Jen Donnellan 35 BU 1 dd Emma 12/29/02 > > > > Hi there! I was lucky enough to have my BU diagnosed well before I > > even tried to get pregnant. 10 years ago when they first discovered > > it, they really discouraged me from trying to have children at all. > > I am now 34YO and have been seeing a wonderful specialist. He put > > me on modified bedrest from the beginning of the pg, which has > > worked really well so far... I have had few complications, and am at > > 31 weeks now. It has been very scary though, and we have had a ton > > of ultrasounds. I know that we have a very high risk of pre-term > > labor, and was curious to know what other people with BU have > > experienced. My uterus in on the extreme end of this anomaly... the > > dip in the middle of my uterus extends all of the way down the > > middle and actually protrudes into my cervix (almost like having two > > 1/2 size uterus'). The baby (a boy :-) is in the right horn. I am > > actually getting to be quite lop-sided at this point in my pg. and > > it is really noticeable when I am laying down flat. Any stories > > about pre-term labor and what to expect would sure be appreciated. > > It is really hard to relate to my pg. friends who don't face any > > complications. Thanks! > > Lori > > > > > > Share bookmarks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/links/ > > Share files: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/files/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > es/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Jen- I am really looking forward to going for a more detailed scan in Vancouver (we're from a place outside of Vancouver, B.C/Canada called Chilliwack) next week. I'm most worried right now about the growth of the baby and that the lack of space isn't causing a problem. I will have more info on the 15th when we get the ultrasound done, so I'm hoping it will be encouraging news and that we can relax a little over Christmas. I will be 34 weeks on Boxing Day! It's hard to believe having been on modified bedrest for so long that I have made it this far. I am a Kindergarten teacher, so my doctor didn't want me to be on my feet all day. I have actually had two lapyroscopy's done. The first one was over ten years ago and was much more invasive than the one I had last Feb. That was when they determined the true shape of my uterus. When I began seeing my new specialist at the age of 33, he wanted to go back in and confirm for himself (which I was highly supportive of). We ended up with a lot more detailed information the second time so it was really worth it. I agree with what you said about it being hard to distinguish between what are just normal pg. symptoms and what you should actually be concerned about. I actually take a list of questions to my doctor's with me. Luckily he is very patient and I think very excited to see how successul we have been so far, so he is happy to give us a little extra time/attention. I just try to tell myself that if I'm not spotting and I'm still feeling the baby move that things are probably OK. Did you feel the movement lessen in intensity toward the end? I can feel the baby move throughout the day, but I don't feel the big kicks that I felt in the second trimester. I'm pretty sure that it is just due to the lack of space- but I guess any change makes me a little nervous. I checked out your daughter's website, and it is really amazing! You obviously have a wonderful family and should be very proud of your little one and how well she is doing. The website must be great for your family and friends who are out of town to keep in touch and to see how you are doing (esp. the Grandparents :-). I saw all of your photo's from " the big run " day and I was pretty envious. I love to run, and haven't been able to do much in the way of activity since I got pregnant. I actually press my nose up to the window longingly when my husband heads out to hike or run after work. I know my time will come, but that it is going to take a while to get back to my pre-pg. fitness level. I already have the jogging stroller parked in our garage, though! I have also been told that with each BU pregnancy the chances improve of carrying the baby closer and closer to full term. I sometimes wish I had a way of looking into the future to know what this little baby has in mind for his grand arrival. I guess that would take some of the fun out of it, though. I just hope that he is healthy and well when he does get here! Thank you again for sharing more of your story. It really is reassuring! Take care of your little Emma, and please keep in touch. Lori Re: new here-BU @ 31 weeks (to Lori) Hi Lori - I am glad that you felt better after reading my post. I think that many women have had c-sections with MAs due to the position of the baby. I just passed an article onto a friend that said " C-sections in 2003 were at a rate of 27% of all live births, the highest # ever in the U.S. " She wants to have a VBAC but isn't sure what the doc's policy is. Anyway, I would be grateful that you've received so much extra care, I didn't realize that you were on modified bed-rest for 8 months. I know that must have been challenging but its so important for women who are high risk to be seen more often. I also think that in a first pregnancy you really need assurance that what you are feeling is OK. There are so many aches & pains that its sometimes tough to distinguish it. I certainly didn't know I was in labor when I bled at 34 weeks but I was. Without the heart beat monitor & cervical check at the hospital I might not have known and my baby came so fast after that. My water broke there and Emma arrived 3 hours later. I can't really say if the pain you are feeling is normal. Do you feel like perhaps the baby is moving further down the birth canal? Discomfort unfortunately is normal near the end. I had that round ligament pain that felt like pulled muscles but that was about it. So I had no real pre-term labor symptoms except the bleeding that I was in labor at 34 weeks. It had been almost 2 weeks since I had been to the OB due to the Christmas holiday and my appt. was 2 days after I delivered her. I think if I was seen weekly they might have caught it but who knows, I can't change the past. But my advice would be to really call or go in if you think its labor pains or if there is any bleeding. The fact that your cervix is closed is good but don't be afraid to call if anything changes. I'm sure you'll find out lots more at your detailed ultrasound next week. The only bit of info that I left out was that this year (June 2004) I had a lap/hyst surgery in Cincinnati (where we live now) to determine my " true shape " . I had MRIs and U/s scans but a NY doc (my reproductive endocrinologist) thought I was SU and I was in his care when I was pregnant and delivered in Syracuse so that's the label I got (SU). So even an experienced RE in NY thought I was SU although I'm BU which we discovered in the lap/hyst. My current doc said that the retained placenta was a big clue that I was likely BU. The procedure went well, they did nothing to correct it since research shows its best to leave a BU alone and I was back to my old self in 3 days. So I believe that for those unsure of their true shape, the lap/hyst is really the gold standard & best procedure to really know your MA & correct it if necessary. Onto your question about other children....well I'm not sure. We also aren't getting any younger and feel quite blessed to have Emma who is really healthy. We have a web site we created when she was born and I'll enclose the link http://www.mindspring.com/~brennand/emma/ We'll update it again after she turns 2 . My current OB (who has 4 kids) knows that I'm an information junkie about MAs now and he reminded me that BU women often have positive outcomes. He believes that I have a good chance of going further than 34 weeks if I get pg. again and with close monitoring I'd probably do well. He also said that we now have Emma as an example of what happened, we see she's healthy and we know what to look for. I " ll keep you posted. Emma's up from a nap so I must go but feel free to write me more here or to my email. Bye for now. Hang in there!!!! Jen Donnellan 35 BU 1 dd Emma 12/29/02 > > > > Hi there! I was lucky enough to have my BU diagnosed well before I > > even tried to get pregnant. 10 years ago when they first discovered > > it, they really discouraged me from trying to have children at all. > > I am now 34YO and have been seeing a wonderful specialist. He put > > me on modified bedrest from the beginning of the pg, which has > > worked really well so far... I have had few complications, and am at > > 31 weeks now. It has been very scary though, and we have had a ton > > of ultrasounds. I know that we have a very high risk of pre-term > > labor, and was curious to know what other people with BU have > > experienced. My uterus in on the extreme end of this anomaly... the > > dip in the middle of my uterus extends all of the way down the > > middle and actually protrudes into my cervix (almost like having two > > 1/2 size uterus'). The baby (a boy :-) is in the right horn. I am > > actually getting to be quite lop-sided at this point in my pg. and > > it is really noticeable when I am laying down flat. Any stories > > about pre-term labor and what to expect would sure be appreciated. > > It is really hard to relate to my pg. friends who don't face any > > complications. Thanks! > > Lori > > > > > > Share bookmarks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/links/ > > Share files: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/files/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > es/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Jen- I am really looking forward to going for a more detailed scan in Vancouver (we're from a place outside of Vancouver, B.C/Canada called Chilliwack) next week. I'm most worried right now about the growth of the baby and that the lack of space isn't causing a problem. I will have more info on the 15th when we get the ultrasound done, so I'm hoping it will be encouraging news and that we can relax a little over Christmas. I will be 34 weeks on Boxing Day! It's hard to believe having been on modified bedrest for so long that I have made it this far. I am a Kindergarten teacher, so my doctor didn't want me to be on my feet all day. I have actually had two lapyroscopy's done. The first one was over ten years ago and was much more invasive than the one I had last Feb. That was when they determined the true shape of my uterus. When I began seeing my new specialist at the age of 33, he wanted to go back in and confirm for himself (which I was highly supportive of). We ended up with a lot more detailed information the second time so it was really worth it. I agree with what you said about it being hard to distinguish between what are just normal pg. symptoms and what you should actually be concerned about. I actually take a list of questions to my doctor's with me. Luckily he is very patient and I think very excited to see how successul we have been so far, so he is happy to give us a little extra time/attention. I just try to tell myself that if I'm not spotting and I'm still feeling the baby move that things are probably OK. Did you feel the movement lessen in intensity toward the end? I can feel the baby move throughout the day, but I don't feel the big kicks that I felt in the second trimester. I'm pretty sure that it is just due to the lack of space- but I guess any change makes me a little nervous. I checked out your daughter's website, and it is really amazing! You obviously have a wonderful family and should be very proud of your little one and how well she is doing. The website must be great for your family and friends who are out of town to keep in touch and to see how you are doing (esp. the Grandparents :-). I saw all of your photo's from " the big run " day and I was pretty envious. I love to run, and haven't been able to do much in the way of activity since I got pregnant. I actually press my nose up to the window longingly when my husband heads out to hike or run after work. I know my time will come, but that it is going to take a while to get back to my pre-pg. fitness level. I already have the jogging stroller parked in our garage, though! I have also been told that with each BU pregnancy the chances improve of carrying the baby closer and closer to full term. I sometimes wish I had a way of looking into the future to know what this little baby has in mind for his grand arrival. I guess that would take some of the fun out of it, though. I just hope that he is healthy and well when he does get here! Thank you again for sharing more of your story. It really is reassuring! Take care of your little Emma, and please keep in touch. Lori Re: new here-BU @ 31 weeks (to Lori) Hi Lori - I am glad that you felt better after reading my post. I think that many women have had c-sections with MAs due to the position of the baby. I just passed an article onto a friend that said " C-sections in 2003 were at a rate of 27% of all live births, the highest # ever in the U.S. " She wants to have a VBAC but isn't sure what the doc's policy is. Anyway, I would be grateful that you've received so much extra care, I didn't realize that you were on modified bed-rest for 8 months. I know that must have been challenging but its so important for women who are high risk to be seen more often. I also think that in a first pregnancy you really need assurance that what you are feeling is OK. There are so many aches & pains that its sometimes tough to distinguish it. I certainly didn't know I was in labor when I bled at 34 weeks but I was. Without the heart beat monitor & cervical check at the hospital I might not have known and my baby came so fast after that. My water broke there and Emma arrived 3 hours later. I can't really say if the pain you are feeling is normal. Do you feel like perhaps the baby is moving further down the birth canal? Discomfort unfortunately is normal near the end. I had that round ligament pain that felt like pulled muscles but that was about it. So I had no real pre-term labor symptoms except the bleeding that I was in labor at 34 weeks. It had been almost 2 weeks since I had been to the OB due to the Christmas holiday and my appt. was 2 days after I delivered her. I think if I was seen weekly they might have caught it but who knows, I can't change the past. But my advice would be to really call or go in if you think its labor pains or if there is any bleeding. The fact that your cervix is closed is good but don't be afraid to call if anything changes. I'm sure you'll find out lots more at your detailed ultrasound next week. The only bit of info that I left out was that this year (June 2004) I had a lap/hyst surgery in Cincinnati (where we live now) to determine my " true shape " . I had MRIs and U/s scans but a NY doc (my reproductive endocrinologist) thought I was SU and I was in his care when I was pregnant and delivered in Syracuse so that's the label I got (SU). So even an experienced RE in NY thought I was SU although I'm BU which we discovered in the lap/hyst. My current doc said that the retained placenta was a big clue that I was likely BU. The procedure went well, they did nothing to correct it since research shows its best to leave a BU alone and I was back to my old self in 3 days. So I believe that for those unsure of their true shape, the lap/hyst is really the gold standard & best procedure to really know your MA & correct it if necessary. Onto your question about other children....well I'm not sure. We also aren't getting any younger and feel quite blessed to have Emma who is really healthy. We have a web site we created when she was born and I'll enclose the link http://www.mindspring.com/~brennand/emma/ We'll update it again after she turns 2 . My current OB (who has 4 kids) knows that I'm an information junkie about MAs now and he reminded me that BU women often have positive outcomes. He believes that I have a good chance of going further than 34 weeks if I get pg. again and with close monitoring I'd probably do well. He also said that we now have Emma as an example of what happened, we see she's healthy and we know what to look for. I " ll keep you posted. Emma's up from a nap so I must go but feel free to write me more here or to my email. Bye for now. Hang in there!!!! Jen Donnellan 35 BU 1 dd Emma 12/29/02 > > > > Hi there! I was lucky enough to have my BU diagnosed well before I > > even tried to get pregnant. 10 years ago when they first discovered > > it, they really discouraged me from trying to have children at all. > > I am now 34YO and have been seeing a wonderful specialist. He put > > me on modified bedrest from the beginning of the pg, which has > > worked really well so far... I have had few complications, and am at > > 31 weeks now. It has been very scary though, and we have had a ton > > of ultrasounds. I know that we have a very high risk of pre-term > > labor, and was curious to know what other people with BU have > > experienced. My uterus in on the extreme end of this anomaly... the > > dip in the middle of my uterus extends all of the way down the > > middle and actually protrudes into my cervix (almost like having two > > 1/2 size uterus'). The baby (a boy :-) is in the right horn. I am > > actually getting to be quite lop-sided at this point in my pg. and > > it is really noticeable when I am laying down flat. Any stories > > about pre-term labor and what to expect would sure be appreciated. > > It is really hard to relate to my pg. friends who don't face any > > complications. Thanks! > > Lori > > > > > > Share bookmarks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/links/ > > Share files: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/files/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > es/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Jen- I am really looking forward to going for a more detailed scan in Vancouver (we're from a place outside of Vancouver, B.C/Canada called Chilliwack) next week. I'm most worried right now about the growth of the baby and that the lack of space isn't causing a problem. I will have more info on the 15th when we get the ultrasound done, so I'm hoping it will be encouraging news and that we can relax a little over Christmas. I will be 34 weeks on Boxing Day! It's hard to believe having been on modified bedrest for so long that I have made it this far. I am a Kindergarten teacher, so my doctor didn't want me to be on my feet all day. I have actually had two lapyroscopy's done. The first one was over ten years ago and was much more invasive than the one I had last Feb. That was when they determined the true shape of my uterus. When I began seeing my new specialist at the age of 33, he wanted to go back in and confirm for himself (which I was highly supportive of). We ended up with a lot more detailed information the second time so it was really worth it. I agree with what you said about it being hard to distinguish between what are just normal pg. symptoms and what you should actually be concerned about. I actually take a list of questions to my doctor's with me. Luckily he is very patient and I think very excited to see how successul we have been so far, so he is happy to give us a little extra time/attention. I just try to tell myself that if I'm not spotting and I'm still feeling the baby move that things are probably OK. Did you feel the movement lessen in intensity toward the end? I can feel the baby move throughout the day, but I don't feel the big kicks that I felt in the second trimester. I'm pretty sure that it is just due to the lack of space- but I guess any change makes me a little nervous. I checked out your daughter's website, and it is really amazing! You obviously have a wonderful family and should be very proud of your little one and how well she is doing. The website must be great for your family and friends who are out of town to keep in touch and to see how you are doing (esp. the Grandparents :-). I saw all of your photo's from " the big run " day and I was pretty envious. I love to run, and haven't been able to do much in the way of activity since I got pregnant. I actually press my nose up to the window longingly when my husband heads out to hike or run after work. I know my time will come, but that it is going to take a while to get back to my pre-pg. fitness level. I already have the jogging stroller parked in our garage, though! I have also been told that with each BU pregnancy the chances improve of carrying the baby closer and closer to full term. I sometimes wish I had a way of looking into the future to know what this little baby has in mind for his grand arrival. I guess that would take some of the fun out of it, though. I just hope that he is healthy and well when he does get here! Thank you again for sharing more of your story. It really is reassuring! Take care of your little Emma, and please keep in touch. Lori Re: new here-BU @ 31 weeks (to Lori) Hi Lori - I am glad that you felt better after reading my post. I think that many women have had c-sections with MAs due to the position of the baby. I just passed an article onto a friend that said " C-sections in 2003 were at a rate of 27% of all live births, the highest # ever in the U.S. " She wants to have a VBAC but isn't sure what the doc's policy is. Anyway, I would be grateful that you've received so much extra care, I didn't realize that you were on modified bed-rest for 8 months. I know that must have been challenging but its so important for women who are high risk to be seen more often. I also think that in a first pregnancy you really need assurance that what you are feeling is OK. There are so many aches & pains that its sometimes tough to distinguish it. I certainly didn't know I was in labor when I bled at 34 weeks but I was. Without the heart beat monitor & cervical check at the hospital I might not have known and my baby came so fast after that. My water broke there and Emma arrived 3 hours later. I can't really say if the pain you are feeling is normal. Do you feel like perhaps the baby is moving further down the birth canal? Discomfort unfortunately is normal near the end. I had that round ligament pain that felt like pulled muscles but that was about it. So I had no real pre-term labor symptoms except the bleeding that I was in labor at 34 weeks. It had been almost 2 weeks since I had been to the OB due to the Christmas holiday and my appt. was 2 days after I delivered her. I think if I was seen weekly they might have caught it but who knows, I can't change the past. But my advice would be to really call or go in if you think its labor pains or if there is any bleeding. The fact that your cervix is closed is good but don't be afraid to call if anything changes. I'm sure you'll find out lots more at your detailed ultrasound next week. The only bit of info that I left out was that this year (June 2004) I had a lap/hyst surgery in Cincinnati (where we live now) to determine my " true shape " . I had MRIs and U/s scans but a NY doc (my reproductive endocrinologist) thought I was SU and I was in his care when I was pregnant and delivered in Syracuse so that's the label I got (SU). So even an experienced RE in NY thought I was SU although I'm BU which we discovered in the lap/hyst. My current doc said that the retained placenta was a big clue that I was likely BU. The procedure went well, they did nothing to correct it since research shows its best to leave a BU alone and I was back to my old self in 3 days. So I believe that for those unsure of their true shape, the lap/hyst is really the gold standard & best procedure to really know your MA & correct it if necessary. Onto your question about other children....well I'm not sure. We also aren't getting any younger and feel quite blessed to have Emma who is really healthy. We have a web site we created when she was born and I'll enclose the link http://www.mindspring.com/~brennand/emma/ We'll update it again after she turns 2 . My current OB (who has 4 kids) knows that I'm an information junkie about MAs now and he reminded me that BU women often have positive outcomes. He believes that I have a good chance of going further than 34 weeks if I get pg. again and with close monitoring I'd probably do well. He also said that we now have Emma as an example of what happened, we see she's healthy and we know what to look for. I " ll keep you posted. Emma's up from a nap so I must go but feel free to write me more here or to my email. Bye for now. Hang in there!!!! Jen Donnellan 35 BU 1 dd Emma 12/29/02 > > > > Hi there! I was lucky enough to have my BU diagnosed well before I > > even tried to get pregnant. 10 years ago when they first discovered > > it, they really discouraged me from trying to have children at all. > > I am now 34YO and have been seeing a wonderful specialist. He put > > me on modified bedrest from the beginning of the pg, which has > > worked really well so far... I have had few complications, and am at > > 31 weeks now. It has been very scary though, and we have had a ton > > of ultrasounds. I know that we have a very high risk of pre-term > > labor, and was curious to know what other people with BU have > > experienced. My uterus in on the extreme end of this anomaly... the > > dip in the middle of my uterus extends all of the way down the > > middle and actually protrudes into my cervix (almost like having two > > 1/2 size uterus'). The baby (a boy :-) is in the right horn. I am > > actually getting to be quite lop-sided at this point in my pg. and > > it is really noticeable when I am laying down flat. Any stories > > about pre-term labor and what to expect would sure be appreciated. > > It is really hard to relate to my pg. friends who don't face any > > complications. Thanks! > > Lori > > > > > > Share bookmarks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/links/ > > Share files: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MullerianAnomalies/files/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > es/ > > The Congenital Uterine Anomalies Home Page: > http://www.wegrokit.com/uterineanomalies/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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