Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 joanne, My doc said that seizures most definitely go up during a seizure. He said he has seen some super high ones right after a seizures. It's kinda the body's way of surviving the trama (same as during illness). Kathy On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:23:54 -0000 " hiusjcta " writes: > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go > up > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back > down > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked our > > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I correct > > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the level > > or effect of the ketones? > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are > not > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does this > > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and had > > lost since starting the diet. > Thanks, Joanne > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a > last resort! " > > List is for parent to parent support only. > It is important to get medical advice from a > professional keto team! > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 joanne, My doc said that seizures most definitely go up during a seizure. He said he has seen some super high ones right after a seizures. It's kinda the body's way of surviving the trama (same as during illness). Kathy On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:23:54 -0000 " hiusjcta " writes: > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go > up > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back > down > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked our > > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I correct > > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the level > > or effect of the ketones? > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are > not > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does this > > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and had > > lost since starting the diet. > Thanks, Joanne > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a > last resort! " > > List is for parent to parent support only. > It is important to get medical advice from a > professional keto team! > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Whoops! I mean " blood glucose " goes up during a seizure. On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:19:35 -0500 kathy j irwin writes: > joanne, My doc said that seizures most definitely go up during a > seizure. > He said he has seen some super high ones right after a seizures. > It's > kinda the body's way of surviving the trama (same as during > illness). > Kathy > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:23:54 -0000 " hiusjcta " > writes: > > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go > > > up > > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back > > down > > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked > our > > > > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > > > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I > correct > > > > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the > level > > > > or effect of the ketones? > > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are > > > not > > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does > this > > > > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and > had > > > > lost since starting the diet. > > Thanks, Joanne > > > > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a > > > last resort! " > > > > List is for parent to parent support only. > > It is important to get medical advice from a > > professional keto team! > > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe > > Unsubscribe: > ketogenic-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 My 2 cents - hope it doesn't muddy the waters more.....2 diff schools of thought on this one, which makes matters pretty confusing and I think that is why it is so hard to get a definite answer from our Drs - but here's what I have been told... The brain requires more glucose uptake for a seizure than any other physical act. Yes it can be produced as a stress response, but - the seizure act itself takes up a heap of energy/glucose, and can therefore leave the levels very low afterwards. The glucose levels will def affect ketone production, whichever way the process works with your child. Another problem to throw into the mix, is that glucose levels themsleves being too high can also CAUSE a seizure in some children. It is not often that many of us will know to check glucose just at the right time, ie - immediately preceding a seizure,,, by the time the seizure is happening or has been and gone, the levels will have already been thrown out....Either thru lowering ketone production, (if the bhb is the AED type seizure mechanism being the one that works for your particular child) or from the fact that some kids simply cannot process and 'run' on glucose, and when the level gets high enough, the body/brain will preferentially use that glucose instead of ketones - whatever level they are at. Glucose production (or higher than 'optimum' diet levels) can either come from excessive caloric intake (allowing glycogen stores to build up again ready for use once cals run out between meals) or from a catabolic process, where if the cals are set too low, muscle tissue will be used as 'fuel' once readily available body fat has been burnt. Not always the case though, for instance, has always had enough body fat to burn, but his body decided it wouldn't work the usual way - he started burning muscle mass to produce glucose before depleting all his fat stores...but that's another story ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go up > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back down > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked our > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I correct > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the level > or effect of the ketones? > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are not > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does this > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and had > lost since starting the diet. > Thanks, Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 My 2 cents - hope it doesn't muddy the waters more.....2 diff schools of thought on this one, which makes matters pretty confusing and I think that is why it is so hard to get a definite answer from our Drs - but here's what I have been told... The brain requires more glucose uptake for a seizure than any other physical act. Yes it can be produced as a stress response, but - the seizure act itself takes up a heap of energy/glucose, and can therefore leave the levels very low afterwards. The glucose levels will def affect ketone production, whichever way the process works with your child. Another problem to throw into the mix, is that glucose levels themsleves being too high can also CAUSE a seizure in some children. It is not often that many of us will know to check glucose just at the right time, ie - immediately preceding a seizure,,, by the time the seizure is happening or has been and gone, the levels will have already been thrown out....Either thru lowering ketone production, (if the bhb is the AED type seizure mechanism being the one that works for your particular child) or from the fact that some kids simply cannot process and 'run' on glucose, and when the level gets high enough, the body/brain will preferentially use that glucose instead of ketones - whatever level they are at. Glucose production (or higher than 'optimum' diet levels) can either come from excessive caloric intake (allowing glycogen stores to build up again ready for use once cals run out between meals) or from a catabolic process, where if the cals are set too low, muscle tissue will be used as 'fuel' once readily available body fat has been burnt. Not always the case though, for instance, has always had enough body fat to burn, but his body decided it wouldn't work the usual way - he started burning muscle mass to produce glucose before depleting all his fat stores...but that's another story ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go up > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back down > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked our > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I correct > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the level > or effect of the ketones? > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are not > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does this > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and had > lost since starting the diet. > Thanks, Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 wrote: > readily available body fat has been burnt. Not always the case > though, for > instance, has always had enough body fat to burn, but his > body > decided it wouldn't work the usual way - he started burning muscle > mass to > produce glucose before depleting all his fat stores...but that's > another > story , How did you figure this out? I'm aways asking (worried) about this, but the doc keeps telling me that muscle will not be broken down (in significant amounts) until the fat stores are not readily available. Did you detect protein in the urine? My is barely growing, so I worry about this (along with a million other things). Enlighten me! Thanks, Kathy ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Joanne, As per Dr. Freeman's book, calories may be too low. There should be no unexplained weight gain or loss on the diet. You should increase calories and get to an optimum weight. If calories are too low, you may be burning protein and lowering ketones. Bill hiusjcta wrote: > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go up > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back down > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked our > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I correct > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the level > or effect of the ketones? > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are not > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does this > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and had > lost since starting the diet. > Thanks, Joanne > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last resort! " > > List is for parent to parent support only. > It is important to get medical advice from a professional keto team! > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Yes, that makes sense. I guess it can work both ways, the sz contribute to an elevated blood sugar, and if for other reasons your blood sugar is elevated, sz can go up. Thanks, Joanne > joanne, My doc said that seizures most definitely go up during a seizure. > He said he has seen some super high ones right after a seizures. It's > kinda the body's way of surviving the trama (same as during illness). > Kathy > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:23:54 -0000 " hiusjcta " <kjt@h...> writes: > > Hi, I've been testing my son's blood sugars to see what kind of > > patterns he has. During the sz (usually early morning) they'll go > > up > > to 90,110 even as high as 160. Then by 6am or so they'll be back > > down > > to the 70's. Do blood sugars usually go up during a sz? I asked our > > > > neuro and he couldn't say. I'm wondering if the increase in blood > > sugars are due to the " stress " response during the sz. Am I correct > > > > in thinking that when blood sugars are higher they affect the level > > > > or effect of the ketones? > > Seems from reading the past postings that his blood sugars are > > not > > in the 'optimal' blood sugar range for kids on the diet. Does this > > > > usually indicate too many calories? He is very underweight and had > > > > lost since starting the diet. > > Thanks, Joanne > > > > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a > > last resort! " > > > > List is for parent to parent support only. > > It is important to get medical advice from a > > professional keto team! > > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe > > Unsubscribe: ketogenic- unsubscribe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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