Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 In a message dated 3/15/2004 8:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, semesky@... writes: http://idea.uwosh.edu/sped/yearone/policy/pdf/policy.pdf ______________ This is a great resource. However, it is about Special Educational requirements not " deaf " ones. It's information is based on IDEA classiffication which can be applied for any number of reasons. I never found any law or guideline that was for " deaf " only. The laws are based on the classification status and needs related to that classification. At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' needs? -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 In a message dated 3/15/2004 8:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, semesky@... writes: http://idea.uwosh.edu/sped/yearone/policy/pdf/policy.pdf ______________ This is a great resource. However, it is about Special Educational requirements not " deaf " ones. It's information is based on IDEA classiffication which can be applied for any number of reasons. I never found any law or guideline that was for " deaf " only. The laws are based on the classification status and needs related to that classification. At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' needs? -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 I think this is as close as you're going to get to class size info. I know of no deaf/hoh data. Further, if your child is mainstreamed, class size is determined by the regular ed classification. Re: class size report > In a message dated 3/15/2004 8:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > semesky@... writes: > http://idea.uwosh.edu/sped/yearone/policy/pdf/policy.pdf > ______________ > > This is a great resource. However, it is about Special Educational > requirements not " deaf " ones. It's information is based on IDEA classiffication which > can be applied for any number of reasons. I never found any law or guideline > that was for " deaf " only. The laws are based on the classification status and > needs related to that classification. > > At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are > you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' > needs? > > -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 I think this is as close as you're going to get to class size info. I know of no deaf/hoh data. Further, if your child is mainstreamed, class size is determined by the regular ed classification. Re: class size report > In a message dated 3/15/2004 8:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > semesky@... writes: > http://idea.uwosh.edu/sped/yearone/policy/pdf/policy.pdf > ______________ > > This is a great resource. However, it is about Special Educational > requirements not " deaf " ones. It's information is based on IDEA classiffication which > can be applied for any number of reasons. I never found any law or guideline > that was for " deaf " only. The laws are based on the classification status and > needs related to that classification. > > At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are > you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' > needs? > > -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 I think this is as close as you're going to get to class size info. I know of no deaf/hoh data. Further, if your child is mainstreamed, class size is determined by the regular ed classification. Re: class size report > In a message dated 3/15/2004 8:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > semesky@... writes: > http://idea.uwosh.edu/sped/yearone/policy/pdf/policy.pdf > ______________ > > This is a great resource. However, it is about Special Educational > requirements not " deaf " ones. It's information is based on IDEA classiffication which > can be applied for any number of reasons. I never found any law or guideline > that was for " deaf " only. The laws are based on the classification status and > needs related to that classification. > > At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are > you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' > needs? > > -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 Angel, What you've described is a question about her being placed in the LRE (least restrictive environment). It sounds like she's not in a LRE setting right now. She does not have models for her langauge aquisition. She does not have appropriate models for behavior. The issue perhaps should be finding a nursery school program that is accredited by the state to accept kids with special but not extreme needs. It does not have to be a district-run program. Locally we have an EI program that is run through a local hospital, I believe supported by the state. It address language delays (my nephew is in it for that alone) and a friend's daughter has been in it based on her hearing loss and the needs caused by that. I'm not sure if the state or local district picks up the tab for the program, but it is not run by any one district and it takes kids from several local districts. Perhaps if there is no appropriate program, your daughter could do an afternoon or two a week in a regular nursery school. That way she would be interacting with " regular " kids in preparation for being mainstreamed in kindergarten -- from your note it sounds like she is heading towards that. Best -- Jill _______________________________________________________________ In a message dated 3/15/2004 1:33:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, angelgasior@... writes: At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' needs? -- Jill I asked the question because the only placement they are offering us for has no maximum number of students permitted. I am worried about the possibility of too much noise and no assistance for her because she is extremely capable compared to the other children with multiple disabilities. I believe this is an inappropriate placement because there are no speech role models for (other than the teacher). I also don't think the pace of the class would be challenging enough to keep her interest, which makes me worry about behavior issues. She is going to be 3. Her teacher from Infant and Toddlers and her therapist at Hopkins feels she needs to be mainstreamed. Unfortunately, my district doesn't offer a mainstream program for 3 year olds. I am at a real loss for finding an appropriate program. Angel in land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 Angel, What you've described is a question about her being placed in the LRE (least restrictive environment). It sounds like she's not in a LRE setting right now. She does not have models for her langauge aquisition. She does not have appropriate models for behavior. The issue perhaps should be finding a nursery school program that is accredited by the state to accept kids with special but not extreme needs. It does not have to be a district-run program. Locally we have an EI program that is run through a local hospital, I believe supported by the state. It address language delays (my nephew is in it for that alone) and a friend's daughter has been in it based on her hearing loss and the needs caused by that. I'm not sure if the state or local district picks up the tab for the program, but it is not run by any one district and it takes kids from several local districts. Perhaps if there is no appropriate program, your daughter could do an afternoon or two a week in a regular nursery school. That way she would be interacting with " regular " kids in preparation for being mainstreamed in kindergarten -- from your note it sounds like she is heading towards that. Best -- Jill _______________________________________________________________ In a message dated 3/15/2004 1:33:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, angelgasior@... writes: At this point I'm curious as to the reason was for the initial question. Are you concerned that a classroom is too large or underserved based on the kids' needs? -- Jill I asked the question because the only placement they are offering us for has no maximum number of students permitted. I am worried about the possibility of too much noise and no assistance for her because she is extremely capable compared to the other children with multiple disabilities. I believe this is an inappropriate placement because there are no speech role models for (other than the teacher). I also don't think the pace of the class would be challenging enough to keep her interest, which makes me worry about behavior issues. She is going to be 3. Her teacher from Infant and Toddlers and her therapist at Hopkins feels she needs to be mainstreamed. Unfortunately, my district doesn't offer a mainstream program for 3 year olds. I am at a real loss for finding an appropriate program. Angel in land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 9:17:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, angelgasior@... writes: I'm pretty sure our area is the same. I am looking into the private option now, but our district absolutely refuses to help us out with an fm system unless we go to the public program. __________________ You can fight the local district on this if there is no public-school program for your child. There may be a program for phsyically disabled little ones, but nothing that meets your HOH child's needs. If they do not offer a program, then they have to provide the FM for use in the private program that does address your child's needs. Our district absolutely refused to acknowledge that our son's mild-to-moderate loss was educationally significant and refused to provide D/HH based services. They were wrong, but that did not stop them from insisting they were right. So, don't give in if you believe that you are asking for an FM in order to provide a fair and appropriate education for your child. If the school can't provide the appropriate services, they have to support the other program that can. Stick to your guns and collect the paperwork to prove your case. -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 9:17:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, angelgasior@... writes: I'm pretty sure our area is the same. I am looking into the private option now, but our district absolutely refuses to help us out with an fm system unless we go to the public program. __________________ You can fight the local district on this if there is no public-school program for your child. There may be a program for phsyically disabled little ones, but nothing that meets your HOH child's needs. If they do not offer a program, then they have to provide the FM for use in the private program that does address your child's needs. Our district absolutely refused to acknowledge that our son's mild-to-moderate loss was educationally significant and refused to provide D/HH based services. They were wrong, but that did not stop them from insisting they were right. So, don't give in if you believe that you are asking for an FM in order to provide a fair and appropriate education for your child. If the school can't provide the appropriate services, they have to support the other program that can. Stick to your guns and collect the paperwork to prove your case. -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 9:17:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, angelgasior@... writes: I'm pretty sure our area is the same. I am looking into the private option now, but our district absolutely refuses to help us out with an fm system unless we go to the public program. __________________ You can fight the local district on this if there is no public-school program for your child. There may be a program for phsyically disabled little ones, but nothing that meets your HOH child's needs. If they do not offer a program, then they have to provide the FM for use in the private program that does address your child's needs. Our district absolutely refused to acknowledge that our son's mild-to-moderate loss was educationally significant and refused to provide D/HH based services. They were wrong, but that did not stop them from insisting they were right. So, don't give in if you believe that you are asking for an FM in order to provide a fair and appropriate education for your child. If the school can't provide the appropriate services, they have to support the other program that can. Stick to your guns and collect the paperwork to prove your case. -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, dfisher57@... writes: Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? Donna Fisher ________________________ Very simply -- yes! If there is not an appropriate program at your school, and they do not plan to hire ALL the professionals your kids need, then they cannot legally force them to attend the local school, (unless they convince you to agree to it). -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, dfisher57@... writes: Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? Donna Fisher ________________________ Very simply -- yes! If there is not an appropriate program at your school, and they do not plan to hire ALL the professionals your kids need, then they cannot legally force them to attend the local school, (unless they convince you to agree to it). -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, dfisher57@... writes: Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? Donna Fisher ________________________ Very simply -- yes! If there is not an appropriate program at your school, and they do not plan to hire ALL the professionals your kids need, then they cannot legally force them to attend the local school, (unless they convince you to agree to it). -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 >> " ...but our district absolutely refuses to help us out with an fm system >>unless we go to the public program. " What does this mean? Are they using an FM as a bargining tool, or are they saying that your child does not need an FM where they are, but they would if s/he goes to a public program? I see a few ways you could spin this situation in your favor, depending on what you wanted to do. Colin _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I wanted to add that the schools are required to offer a continuum of placement options BY LAW. They cannot just offer a classroom for language disabled or physically disabled children, and tell you that is where your child will go. I would ask what other placements they have set up for a child with hearing loss - if they say none, maybe then tell them of the other options you have found that are more appropriate. Colin _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Colin wrote: I wanted to add that the schools are required to offer a continuum of placement options BY LAW. They cannot just offer a classroom for language disabled or physically disabled children, and tell you that is where your child will go. I would ask what other placements they have set up for a child with hearing loss - if they say none, maybe then tell them of the other options you have found that are more appropriate. Colin Colin, What do you mean by a continuum of placement options? I am trying to fight to keep my children at a school with a D/HH program. Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? Donna Fisher _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Colin wrote: I wanted to add that the schools are required to offer a continuum of placement options BY LAW. They cannot just offer a classroom for language disabled or physically disabled children, and tell you that is where your child will go. I would ask what other placements they have set up for a child with hearing loss - if they say none, maybe then tell them of the other options you have found that are more appropriate. Colin Colin, What do you mean by a continuum of placement options? I am trying to fight to keep my children at a school with a D/HH program. Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? Donna Fisher _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Colin wrote: I wanted to add that the schools are required to offer a continuum of placement options BY LAW. They cannot just offer a classroom for language disabled or physically disabled children, and tell you that is where your child will go. I would ask what other placements they have set up for a child with hearing loss - if they say none, maybe then tell them of the other options you have found that are more appropriate. Colin Colin, What do you mean by a continuum of placement options? I am trying to fight to keep my children at a school with a D/HH program. Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? Donna Fisher _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 If his IEP specifies that he needs a specialized deaf/hoh program and they have none, then they must find/make one to place him in...the reality of making this happen though is alot harder than the legality of it Re: class size report > In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dfisher57@... writes: > Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school > they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? > Donna Fisher > ________________________ > > Very simply -- yes! > > If there is not an appropriate program at your school, and they do not plan > to hire ALL the professionals your kids need, then they cannot legally force > them to attend the local school, (unless they convince you to agree to it). > > -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 If his IEP specifies that he needs a specialized deaf/hoh program and they have none, then they must find/make one to place him in...the reality of making this happen though is alot harder than the legality of it Re: class size report > In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dfisher57@... writes: > Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school > they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? > Donna Fisher > ________________________ > > Very simply -- yes! > > If there is not an appropriate program at your school, and they do not plan > to hire ALL the professionals your kids need, then they cannot legally force > them to attend the local school, (unless they convince you to agree to it). > > -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 If his IEP specifies that he needs a specialized deaf/hoh program and they have none, then they must find/make one to place him in...the reality of making this happen though is alot harder than the legality of it Re: class size report > In a message dated 3/16/2004 11:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dfisher57@... writes: > Do you mean to tell me that If they don't have a D/HH program at the school > they want to send my children, I can tell them it's not appropriate? > Donna Fisher > ________________________ > > Very simply -- yes! > > If there is not an appropriate program at your school, and they do not plan > to hire ALL the professionals your kids need, then they cannot legally force > them to attend the local school, (unless they convince you to agree to it). > > -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Donna- If a placement is inappropriate, what difference does it make? Why move your kids from a D/HH program to a mainstream placement? What is the evidence a move is MORE appropriate? Will they still get equal social interaction to what they get now? Will they be able to communicate with their peers without aids? Will they have equivilant access to the ciricuulum? Are there EDUCATIONAL interpreters that can relay all the information in the class (if they sign)? etc etc I believe it comes down to the evidence that supports a decision (and should be!). The school will have theirs, and you will have yours. Colin _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Donna- If a placement is inappropriate, what difference does it make? Why move your kids from a D/HH program to a mainstream placement? What is the evidence a move is MORE appropriate? Will they still get equal social interaction to what they get now? Will they be able to communicate with their peers without aids? Will they have equivilant access to the ciricuulum? Are there EDUCATIONAL interpreters that can relay all the information in the class (if they sign)? etc etc I believe it comes down to the evidence that supports a decision (and should be!). The school will have theirs, and you will have yours. Colin _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 6:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, babydewe2@... writes: Arggggg.....Five years ago I was teaching at a Catholic school in Illinois. We had students there that were receiving remediation and speech services, and these were being provided through the local public school. ... I am not sure if the same things are happening today, but I believe that they are. ... Debbie It is. It happens that way here in New York. However, the ironic twist to receiving those services at a private school is that you have to go through the evaluations and whole IEP process with the local district. The needed services have to be included in the child's IEP, which is determined by the usual process we've all gone through. -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 In a message dated 3/16/2004 6:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, babydewe2@... writes: Arggggg.....Five years ago I was teaching at a Catholic school in Illinois. We had students there that were receiving remediation and speech services, and these were being provided through the local public school. ... I am not sure if the same things are happening today, but I believe that they are. ... Debbie It is. It happens that way here in New York. However, the ironic twist to receiving those services at a private school is that you have to go through the evaluations and whole IEP process with the local district. The needed services have to be included in the child's IEP, which is determined by the usual process we've all gone through. -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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