Re: Re: middle school placement

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:16:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

Wow! $604 a day?? What state do you live in, and is the consistent will

all the states that they get that amount of money?

Actually, all public schools get money daily on a per capita basis. more kids

in school, more aide for that day. Which is why, here in the New York, they

prefer opening delays and early releases to closing for full snow days.

I wonder what the amount is for each regular kid?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:16:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

Wow! $604 a day?? What state do you live in, and is the consistent will

all the states that they get that amount of money?

Actually, all public schools get money daily on a per capita basis. more kids

in school, more aide for that day. Which is why, here in the New York, they

prefer opening delays and early releases to closing for full snow days.

I wonder what the amount is for each regular kid?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:16:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

Wow! $604 a day?? What state do you live in, and is the consistent will

all the states that they get that amount of money?

Actually, all public schools get money daily on a per capita basis. more kids

in school, more aide for that day. Which is why, here in the New York, they

prefer opening delays and early releases to closing for full snow days.

I wonder what the amount is for each regular kid?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:42:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

In Iowa, the regular ed. students get $4800 per year

At 185 days of school per year (here in NY) that comes to about $25 per day.

That seems ridiculously low. Using the $4800 per year number a class of 200

kids (our HS graduating class size) would be $960,000 in funds, and that sounds

more reasonable for running a school considering all the costs. Using the $604

per day would be $111,740 for just one kid and that seems ridiculously high.

I cannot imagine that my son is earning the district over $100K a year.

Fascinating. Now I'll have to go find the budget that our school sends us

each year and see what they've got listed for their numbers. I doubt per-child

state aide amounts are revealed clearly but now I'll have to look.

-- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:42:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

In Iowa, the regular ed. students get $4800 per year

At 185 days of school per year (here in NY) that comes to about $25 per day.

That seems ridiculously low. Using the $4800 per year number a class of 200

kids (our HS graduating class size) would be $960,000 in funds, and that sounds

more reasonable for running a school considering all the costs. Using the $604

per day would be $111,740 for just one kid and that seems ridiculously high.

I cannot imagine that my son is earning the district over $100K a year.

Fascinating. Now I'll have to go find the budget that our school sends us

each year and see what they've got listed for their numbers. I doubt per-child

state aide amounts are revealed clearly but now I'll have to look.

-- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2004 8:42:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

In Iowa, the regular ed. students get $4800 per year

At 185 days of school per year (here in NY) that comes to about $25 per day.

That seems ridiculously low. Using the $4800 per year number a class of 200

kids (our HS graduating class size) would be $960,000 in funds, and that sounds

more reasonable for running a school considering all the costs. Using the $604

per day would be $111,740 for just one kid and that seems ridiculously high.

I cannot imagine that my son is earning the district over $100K a year.

Fascinating. Now I'll have to go find the budget that our school sends us

each year and see what they've got listed for their numbers. I doubt per-child

state aide amounts are revealed clearly but now I'll have to look.

-- Jill

[Guest guest]

Wow! $604 a day?? What state do you live in, and is the consistent will

all the states that they get that amount of money?

> Hi, I talked to the lady at our school co-op this morning, and she

> said that she had just returned from meetings that went over the Laws

> regarding placement for HOH students. She said that Sec 504 ( which I

> see has already given you a link to ) says that you have the

> right to decided where your child is placed. You might also look into

> contacting an advocate to accompany you to meet with the school. The

> dear lady this morning also said that the schools motivation was

> money... she said our district is paid $604 a day for each HOH child.

>

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

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>

[Guest guest]

Wow! $604 a day?? What state do you live in, and is the consistent will

all the states that they get that amount of money?

> Hi, I talked to the lady at our school co-op this morning, and she

> said that she had just returned from meetings that went over the Laws

> regarding placement for HOH students. She said that Sec 504 ( which I

> see has already given you a link to ) says that you have the

> right to decided where your child is placed. You might also look into

> contacting an advocate to accompany you to meet with the school. The

> dear lady this morning also said that the schools motivation was

> money... she said our district is paid $604 a day for each HOH child.

>

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

>

[Guest guest]

In Iowa, the regular ed. students get $4800 per year, and the special ed

students, depending on their weighting, get up to almost 4 times that amount

per year, plus the $4800. There is also flow through money for any Area

Education Agency support that comes into the school and goes directly out to

the AEA. I have just never heard of the $604 per day figure before. It

seems like an awful lot of money to me.

I think the schools can make some money from the typical special ed

student because their support teachers are there every day, no matter how

many students they have. HOH, or deaf, students pretty much use up the

money that comes into the school for their education. Now, keep in mind,

this isn't facts. It's just my assumptions.

I know in our district the interpreters only were paid a little more

than the highest paid teacher associate (or aide), neither of which was

much. Our two daughers interpreters held out until they got what they

wanted. They are awesome interpreters. They have many affiliations with

the deaf community so they know if our girls don't " get " something it's

either a deaf thing, or it just hasn't been presented to them correctly.

They are invaluable advocates for our girls. Tish

> Actually, all public schools get money daily on a per capita basis. more

kids

> in school, more aide for that day. Which is why, here in the New York,

they

> prefer opening delays and early releases to closing for full snow days.

>

> I wonder what the amount is for each regular kid?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In Iowa, the regular ed. students get $4800 per year, and the special ed

students, depending on their weighting, get up to almost 4 times that amount

per year, plus the $4800. There is also flow through money for any Area

Education Agency support that comes into the school and goes directly out to

the AEA. I have just never heard of the $604 per day figure before. It

seems like an awful lot of money to me.

I think the schools can make some money from the typical special ed

student because their support teachers are there every day, no matter how

many students they have. HOH, or deaf, students pretty much use up the

money that comes into the school for their education. Now, keep in mind,

this isn't facts. It's just my assumptions.

I know in our district the interpreters only were paid a little more

than the highest paid teacher associate (or aide), neither of which was

much. Our two daughers interpreters held out until they got what they

wanted. They are awesome interpreters. They have many affiliations with

the deaf community so they know if our girls don't " get " something it's

either a deaf thing, or it just hasn't been presented to them correctly.

They are invaluable advocates for our girls. Tish

> Actually, all public schools get money daily on a per capita basis. more

kids

> in school, more aide for that day. Which is why, here in the New York,

they

> prefer opening delays and early releases to closing for full snow days.

>

> I wonder what the amount is for each regular kid?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In Iowa, the regular ed. students get $4800 per year, and the special ed

students, depending on their weighting, get up to almost 4 times that amount

per year, plus the $4800. There is also flow through money for any Area

Education Agency support that comes into the school and goes directly out to

the AEA. I have just never heard of the $604 per day figure before. It

seems like an awful lot of money to me.

I think the schools can make some money from the typical special ed

student because their support teachers are there every day, no matter how

many students they have. HOH, or deaf, students pretty much use up the

money that comes into the school for their education. Now, keep in mind,

this isn't facts. It's just my assumptions.

I know in our district the interpreters only were paid a little more

than the highest paid teacher associate (or aide), neither of which was

much. Our two daughers interpreters held out until they got what they

wanted. They are awesome interpreters. They have many affiliations with

the deaf community so they know if our girls don't " get " something it's

either a deaf thing, or it just hasn't been presented to them correctly.

They are invaluable advocates for our girls. Tish

> Actually, all public schools get money daily on a per capita basis. more

kids

> in school, more aide for that day. Which is why, here in the New York,

they

> prefer opening delays and early releases to closing for full snow days.

>

> I wonder what the amount is for each regular kid?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure the motivation is money. You mentioned 504. Rebekah is not 504. She

is identified as deaf ed since she has a hearing loss that requires an

interpreter. My understanding is that without that the Regional Day School

Program does not have to provide an interpreter. Is that correct? If she is

504 and not deaf ed, does the school district have to provide a sign

interpreter or can they say, she's not " deaf. " She does not need an

interpreter?

Re: middle school placement

> Hi, I talked to the lady at our school co-op this morning, and she

> said that she had just returned from meetings that went over the Laws

> regarding placement for HOH students. She said that Sec 504 ( which I

> see has already given you a link to ) says that you have the

> right to decided where your child is placed. You might also look into

> contacting an advocate to accompany you to meet with the school. The

> dear lady this morning also said that the schools motivation was

> money... she said our district is paid $604 a day for each HOH child.

>

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure the motivation is money. You mentioned 504. Rebekah is not 504. She

is identified as deaf ed since she has a hearing loss that requires an

interpreter. My understanding is that without that the Regional Day School

Program does not have to provide an interpreter. Is that correct? If she is

504 and not deaf ed, does the school district have to provide a sign

interpreter or can they say, she's not " deaf. " She does not need an

interpreter?

Re: middle school placement

> Hi, I talked to the lady at our school co-op this morning, and she

> said that she had just returned from meetings that went over the Laws

> regarding placement for HOH students. She said that Sec 504 ( which I

> see has already given you a link to ) says that you have the

> right to decided where your child is placed. You might also look into

> contacting an advocate to accompany you to meet with the school. The

> dear lady this morning also said that the schools motivation was

> money... she said our district is paid $604 a day for each HOH child.

>

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/24/2004 1:11:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pqfarley@... writes:

I'm sure the motivation is money. You mentioned 504. Rebekah is not 504. She

is identified as deaf ed since she has a hearing loss that requires an

interpreter. My understanding is that without that the Regional Day School

Program does not have to provide an interpreter. Is that correct? If she is

504 and not deaf ed, does the school district have to provide a sign

interpreter or can they say, she's not " deaf. " She does not need an

interpreter?

Oh, ready this just got me so annoyed ... school districts just get me so mad

sometimes, trying to find ways around providing needed services.

..

Does Rebekah have an IEP? If so, then she's already classified under IDEA and

those services are covered under IDEA and should continue not matter where

she is attending school. It does not matter whether 504 or IDEA is used to

classify a child, either way the services needed for an education (FAPE) should

be

provided. She should be placed in the LRE (least restrictive envirnonment)

appropriate for her and her services should continue.

It's my understanding that classification under IDEA versus 504 is based on

the type of services needed and the reimbursement policy for each kind of

classification. IDEA is under the auspices of the Federal and State Ed Depts and

504's oversight is through the Dept of Labor. Both reimburse the schools for

services provided to classified kids but they can cover different kinds of

services.

Children who are not classified can receive services from the district, but

there is no legal documentation stating what kind or protecting the child's

rights and best interests. Reading classes and other remedial services (even

some

speech therapy) do not require formal classification. They are considered

transient issues that can be resolved with a bit of extra help and addressed at

the " building level " without invoving the formal classfication process.

For instance, my son received services in 3rd grade without being classified.

Then the principal retired and there was no official paperwork (I didn't know

any better). So at the beginning of 4th grade, no services.

My son is not " deaf " either, he is HOH and classified under 504. He attends

the regular local schools, has a TOD and any other special services he

requires. Before that he had exactly the same services but was classified under

IDEA.

He requires no SpecEd services, only a TOD and accommodations based on his

" physical disability " (HOH). According to our new CSE*, he was mis-classified

under IDEA. Had the district been audited by the Powers-that-be, his

classifiaction could have been deemed as inappropriate and ceased. So, we

switched him

over to 504 without a moment's interruption to any of his services.

They cannot deny your daughter services because she is " not deaf. " If she

needs an interpreter to be able to " access her education " then she should be

getting that service. It has obviously been established that Rebekah needs deaf

education services in order to be allowed " access " to education, so she should

continue getting those under either 504 or IDEA, no matter which school she is

attending.

Best -- Jill.

*It turns out that our new CSE has her doctorate in Assistive Technologies.

When I mentioned CART, AlphaSmarts and Dana systems, she acvtually knew what I

was talking about! A first for this district! I'm so thrilled!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/24/2004 1:11:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pqfarley@... writes:

I'm sure the motivation is money. You mentioned 504. Rebekah is not 504. She

is identified as deaf ed since she has a hearing loss that requires an

interpreter. My understanding is that without that the Regional Day School

Program does not have to provide an interpreter. Is that correct? If she is

504 and not deaf ed, does the school district have to provide a sign

interpreter or can they say, she's not " deaf. " She does not need an

interpreter?

Oh, ready this just got me so annoyed ... school districts just get me so mad

sometimes, trying to find ways around providing needed services.

..

Does Rebekah have an IEP? If so, then she's already classified under IDEA and

those services are covered under IDEA and should continue not matter where

she is attending school. It does not matter whether 504 or IDEA is used to

classify a child, either way the services needed for an education (FAPE) should

be

provided. She should be placed in the LRE (least restrictive envirnonment)

appropriate for her and her services should continue.

It's my understanding that classification under IDEA versus 504 is based on

the type of services needed and the reimbursement policy for each kind of

classification. IDEA is under the auspices of the Federal and State Ed Depts and

504's oversight is through the Dept of Labor. Both reimburse the schools for

services provided to classified kids but they can cover different kinds of

services.

Children who are not classified can receive services from the district, but

there is no legal documentation stating what kind or protecting the child's

rights and best interests. Reading classes and other remedial services (even

some

speech therapy) do not require formal classification. They are considered

transient issues that can be resolved with a bit of extra help and addressed at

the " building level " without invoving the formal classfication process.

For instance, my son received services in 3rd grade without being classified.

Then the principal retired and there was no official paperwork (I didn't know

any better). So at the beginning of 4th grade, no services.

My son is not " deaf " either, he is HOH and classified under 504. He attends

the regular local schools, has a TOD and any other special services he

requires. Before that he had exactly the same services but was classified under

IDEA.

He requires no SpecEd services, only a TOD and accommodations based on his

" physical disability " (HOH). According to our new CSE*, he was mis-classified

under IDEA. Had the district been audited by the Powers-that-be, his

classifiaction could have been deemed as inappropriate and ceased. So, we

switched him

over to 504 without a moment's interruption to any of his services.

They cannot deny your daughter services because she is " not deaf. " If she

needs an interpreter to be able to " access her education " then she should be

getting that service. It has obviously been established that Rebekah needs deaf

education services in order to be allowed " access " to education, so she should

continue getting those under either 504 or IDEA, no matter which school she is

attending.

Best -- Jill.

*It turns out that our new CSE has her doctorate in Assistive Technologies.

When I mentioned CART, AlphaSmarts and Dana systems, she acvtually knew what I

was talking about! A first for this district! I'm so thrilled!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/24/2004 1:11:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pqfarley@... writes:

I'm sure the motivation is money. You mentioned 504. Rebekah is not 504. She

is identified as deaf ed since she has a hearing loss that requires an

interpreter. My understanding is that without that the Regional Day School

Program does not have to provide an interpreter. Is that correct? If she is

504 and not deaf ed, does the school district have to provide a sign

interpreter or can they say, she's not " deaf. " She does not need an

interpreter?

Oh, ready this just got me so annoyed ... school districts just get me so mad

sometimes, trying to find ways around providing needed services.

..

Does Rebekah have an IEP? If so, then she's already classified under IDEA and

those services are covered under IDEA and should continue not matter where

she is attending school. It does not matter whether 504 or IDEA is used to

classify a child, either way the services needed for an education (FAPE) should

be

provided. She should be placed in the LRE (least restrictive envirnonment)

appropriate for her and her services should continue.

It's my understanding that classification under IDEA versus 504 is based on

the type of services needed and the reimbursement policy for each kind of

classification. IDEA is under the auspices of the Federal and State Ed Depts and

504's oversight is through the Dept of Labor. Both reimburse the schools for

services provided to classified kids but they can cover different kinds of

services.

Children who are not classified can receive services from the district, but

there is no legal documentation stating what kind or protecting the child's

rights and best interests. Reading classes and other remedial services (even

some

speech therapy) do not require formal classification. They are considered

transient issues that can be resolved with a bit of extra help and addressed at

the " building level " without invoving the formal classfication process.

For instance, my son received services in 3rd grade without being classified.

Then the principal retired and there was no official paperwork (I didn't know

any better). So at the beginning of 4th grade, no services.

My son is not " deaf " either, he is HOH and classified under 504. He attends

the regular local schools, has a TOD and any other special services he

requires. Before that he had exactly the same services but was classified under

IDEA.

He requires no SpecEd services, only a TOD and accommodations based on his

" physical disability " (HOH). According to our new CSE*, he was mis-classified

under IDEA. Had the district been audited by the Powers-that-be, his

classifiaction could have been deemed as inappropriate and ceased. So, we

switched him

over to 504 without a moment's interruption to any of his services.

They cannot deny your daughter services because she is " not deaf. " If she

needs an interpreter to be able to " access her education " then she should be

getting that service. It has obviously been established that Rebekah needs deaf

education services in order to be allowed " access " to education, so she should

continue getting those under either 504 or IDEA, no matter which school she is

attending.

Best -- Jill.

*It turns out that our new CSE has her doctorate in Assistive Technologies.

When I mentioned CART, AlphaSmarts and Dana systems, she acvtually knew what I

was talking about! A first for this district! I'm so thrilled!