Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Hi The problem that I have with Cprint is that it is a summary of information taught to the class, not a verbatim translation. A summary is only as good as the summarizer and their knowledge. The child is also denied access to the nuances of comments made and the interactions between the class participants, except on a summary level. This also means that there is a reduction of vocabulary that is learned because they are not receiving the direct information in its complete context. For example, the teacher might say... " In 1492, Columbus, on an expeditious journey to the West Indies, discovered the economically isolated country of the United States. A Cprint of this would say....In 1492, Columbus, looking for the West Indies, discovered the U.S. Now, did the child learn what " expeditious " meant, " economically isolated " or get the visual image that was produced by these words. (Note..the words don't actually make much sense in my ex) While the child learned the main information, they missed out on a large amount of subtelties. My son has a CART reporter, a court stenographer, who types, verbatim, what is said. He has access to every word that is said, not just summaries of the information. I agree that Cprint is valuable, however, it pales in comparison to CART for students with excellent and rapid reading skills. Cprint would probably be more beneficial for children with reduced reading speeds or skills as there is less to read so in that case, I believe it would probably be better as long as the individuals providing the Cprint are competent. My son would be lost with Cprint as he'd miss so much of importance in the class. He speed reads, so he looks up at the board to see what the teacher is saying, then glances over to the CART reporter's laptop (who is sitting next to him) to catch the paragraph of what was just said, then looks up to the board/teacher again. He has thrived since they implemented CART in 6th grade. His reporter has even adapted her system for the Japanese Class he takes at Towson University to type the Romanji (american phonetic version) for the Japanese. She ends up having to do some summarization in this class for him just because of the rate that the Japanese teacher speaks and her need to process a foreign language and then type it, when she is learning the language along with us. I think that any kind of visual modality helps a child who can't hear. To me, the top of the list is CART, for a child with good reading skills. It's like watching the closed captioning on the news, only twice as good, because my son's CART reporters are competent and rarely make the stupid mistakes you see on the television. They are smart and notice if a typo doesn't make sense. I'm glad that your daughter has Cprint to help her and I believe that she'd be lost without it. You might want to reassess as she moves into higher grades as it gets harder and harder to summarize as the information gets more complex. Re: move to 504? > Hi , > I just wanted to comment and give our exerience with c-print. It > must depend on who does the c-print. My duaghter uses it in the 5th grade and > out experience has been wonderful. The person doing it is great and we get the > notes everyday to go over what happened in class and study for tests ect. I > think my daughter would be lost without it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Hi The problem that I have with Cprint is that it is a summary of information taught to the class, not a verbatim translation. A summary is only as good as the summarizer and their knowledge. The child is also denied access to the nuances of comments made and the interactions between the class participants, except on a summary level. This also means that there is a reduction of vocabulary that is learned because they are not receiving the direct information in its complete context. For example, the teacher might say... " In 1492, Columbus, on an expeditious journey to the West Indies, discovered the economically isolated country of the United States. A Cprint of this would say....In 1492, Columbus, looking for the West Indies, discovered the U.S. Now, did the child learn what " expeditious " meant, " economically isolated " or get the visual image that was produced by these words. (Note..the words don't actually make much sense in my ex) While the child learned the main information, they missed out on a large amount of subtelties. My son has a CART reporter, a court stenographer, who types, verbatim, what is said. He has access to every word that is said, not just summaries of the information. I agree that Cprint is valuable, however, it pales in comparison to CART for students with excellent and rapid reading skills. Cprint would probably be more beneficial for children with reduced reading speeds or skills as there is less to read so in that case, I believe it would probably be better as long as the individuals providing the Cprint are competent. My son would be lost with Cprint as he'd miss so much of importance in the class. He speed reads, so he looks up at the board to see what the teacher is saying, then glances over to the CART reporter's laptop (who is sitting next to him) to catch the paragraph of what was just said, then looks up to the board/teacher again. He has thrived since they implemented CART in 6th grade. His reporter has even adapted her system for the Japanese Class he takes at Towson University to type the Romanji (american phonetic version) for the Japanese. She ends up having to do some summarization in this class for him just because of the rate that the Japanese teacher speaks and her need to process a foreign language and then type it, when she is learning the language along with us. I think that any kind of visual modality helps a child who can't hear. To me, the top of the list is CART, for a child with good reading skills. It's like watching the closed captioning on the news, only twice as good, because my son's CART reporters are competent and rarely make the stupid mistakes you see on the television. They are smart and notice if a typo doesn't make sense. I'm glad that your daughter has Cprint to help her and I believe that she'd be lost without it. You might want to reassess as she moves into higher grades as it gets harder and harder to summarize as the information gets more complex. Re: move to 504? > Hi , > I just wanted to comment and give our exerience with c-print. It > must depend on who does the c-print. My duaghter uses it in the 5th grade and > out experience has been wonderful. The person doing it is great and we get the > notes everyday to go over what happened in class and study for tests ect. I > think my daughter would be lost without it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Hi The problem that I have with Cprint is that it is a summary of information taught to the class, not a verbatim translation. A summary is only as good as the summarizer and their knowledge. The child is also denied access to the nuances of comments made and the interactions between the class participants, except on a summary level. This also means that there is a reduction of vocabulary that is learned because they are not receiving the direct information in its complete context. For example, the teacher might say... " In 1492, Columbus, on an expeditious journey to the West Indies, discovered the economically isolated country of the United States. A Cprint of this would say....In 1492, Columbus, looking for the West Indies, discovered the U.S. Now, did the child learn what " expeditious " meant, " economically isolated " or get the visual image that was produced by these words. (Note..the words don't actually make much sense in my ex) While the child learned the main information, they missed out on a large amount of subtelties. My son has a CART reporter, a court stenographer, who types, verbatim, what is said. He has access to every word that is said, not just summaries of the information. I agree that Cprint is valuable, however, it pales in comparison to CART for students with excellent and rapid reading skills. Cprint would probably be more beneficial for children with reduced reading speeds or skills as there is less to read so in that case, I believe it would probably be better as long as the individuals providing the Cprint are competent. My son would be lost with Cprint as he'd miss so much of importance in the class. He speed reads, so he looks up at the board to see what the teacher is saying, then glances over to the CART reporter's laptop (who is sitting next to him) to catch the paragraph of what was just said, then looks up to the board/teacher again. He has thrived since they implemented CART in 6th grade. His reporter has even adapted her system for the Japanese Class he takes at Towson University to type the Romanji (american phonetic version) for the Japanese. She ends up having to do some summarization in this class for him just because of the rate that the Japanese teacher speaks and her need to process a foreign language and then type it, when she is learning the language along with us. I think that any kind of visual modality helps a child who can't hear. To me, the top of the list is CART, for a child with good reading skills. It's like watching the closed captioning on the news, only twice as good, because my son's CART reporters are competent and rarely make the stupid mistakes you see on the television. They are smart and notice if a typo doesn't make sense. I'm glad that your daughter has Cprint to help her and I believe that she'd be lost without it. You might want to reassess as she moves into higher grades as it gets harder and harder to summarize as the information gets more complex. Re: move to 504? > Hi , > I just wanted to comment and give our exerience with c-print. It > must depend on who does the c-print. My duaghter uses it in the 5th grade and > out experience has been wonderful. The person doing it is great and we get the > notes everyday to go over what happened in class and study for tests ect. I > think my daughter would be lost without it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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