RE: I am too good to make transfers.

[Guest guest]

As I had said a while back, I hadn't really given a whole lot of

thought on the matter before of (for lack of a better phrase coming to

mind) non-emergency transports got brought here the other day. I had a

couple ideas on it (at the financial aspect of it), and speaking for

myself I never thought or felt that I didn't want to help certain people

in our community nor that they didn't deserve my help, and I deeply

apologize if anything I stated was taken that way. After much more

thought on the matter I have come to decide in my own mind that it

doesn't really matter what the call is about, but that we were called in

the first place. If nothing else, then the discussion put the issue to

rest to myself. Thanks everybody.

Crosby

EMT-B

FIDO

O

> OK

>

> Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that

all of

> this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs

cpr

> guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

emergencies

> bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do

you

> think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't

pay

> squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that

they can

> pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more

fun type

> calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't

have to

> deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call

me

> thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of

what a

> true emergency is.

>

> If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

> transport services that can pick and choose only the paying

patients and

> implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your

medics that

> this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them.

All of

> these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

>

> The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call

for

> you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is.

If all

> of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are

they are

> not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to

work

> doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are

called.

> Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

>

> Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

>

> Henry Barber

> Wor

>

[Guest guest]

As I had said a while back, I hadn't really given a whole lot of

thought on the matter before of (for lack of a better phrase coming to

mind) non-emergency transports got brought here the other day. I had a

couple ideas on it (at the financial aspect of it), and speaking for

myself I never thought or felt that I didn't want to help certain people

in our community nor that they didn't deserve my help, and I deeply

apologize if anything I stated was taken that way. After much more

thought on the matter I have come to decide in my own mind that it

doesn't really matter what the call is about, but that we were called in

the first place. If nothing else, then the discussion put the issue to

rest to myself. Thanks everybody.

Crosby

EMT-B

FIDO

O

> OK

>

> Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that

all of

> this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs

cpr

> guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

emergencies

> bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do

you

> think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't

pay

> squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that

they can

> pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more

fun type

> calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't

have to

> deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call

me

> thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of

what a

> true emergency is.

>

> If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

> transport services that can pick and choose only the paying

patients and

> implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your

medics that

> this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them.

All of

> these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

>

> The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call

for

> you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is.

If all

> of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are

they are

> not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to

work

> doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are

called.

> Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

>

> Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

>

> Henry Barber

> Wor

>

[Guest guest]

As I had said a while back, I hadn't really given a whole lot of

thought on the matter before of (for lack of a better phrase coming to

mind) non-emergency transports got brought here the other day. I had a

couple ideas on it (at the financial aspect of it), and speaking for

myself I never thought or felt that I didn't want to help certain people

in our community nor that they didn't deserve my help, and I deeply

apologize if anything I stated was taken that way. After much more

thought on the matter I have come to decide in my own mind that it

doesn't really matter what the call is about, but that we were called in

the first place. If nothing else, then the discussion put the issue to

rest to myself. Thanks everybody.

Crosby

EMT-B

FIDO

O

> OK

>

> Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that

all of

> this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs

cpr

> guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

emergencies

> bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do

you

> think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't

pay

> squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that

they can

> pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more

fun type

> calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't

have to

> deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call

me

> thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of

what a

> true emergency is.

>

> If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

> transport services that can pick and choose only the paying

patients and

> implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your

medics that

> this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them.

All of

> these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

>

> The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call

for

> you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is.

If all

> of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are

they are

> not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to

work

> doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are

called.

> Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

>

> Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

>

> Henry Barber

> Wor

>

[Guest guest]

well said henry. agree completly. do all those who

think that way @ transfers think they are going to

1) live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse

or

2) never get old

jim davis

--- Henry wrote:

> OK

>

> Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It

> appears to me that all of

> this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel

> chair vans vs cpr

> guys and first aid this and let me be available only

> for the emergencies

> bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to

> do it. How do you

> think those emergencies services are funded.

> Emergency calls don't pay

> squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying

> patients that they can

> pick and choose and the emergency services get the

> non pay more fun type

> calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so

> I shouldn't have to

> deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the

> folks that call me

> thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to

> godly idea of what a

> true emergency is.

>

> If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the

> non-emergency

> transport services that can pick and choose only the

> paying patients and

> implement services where they absolutely do both.

> Teach your medics that

> this business is not all gravy and that no one is

> beneath them. All of

> these patients deserve the same care,attention and

> respect.

>

> The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding

> when someone call for

> you. You are there to assist them with whatever

> their crisis is. If all

> of your calls were crap then you may have an issue.

> Chances are they are

> not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your

> butt back to work

> doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people

> when you are called.

> Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

>

> Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

>

> Henry Barber

> Wor

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

well said henry. agree completly. do all those who

think that way @ transfers think they are going to

1) live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse

or

2) never get old

jim davis

--- Henry wrote:

> OK

>

> Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It

> appears to me that all of

> this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel

> chair vans vs cpr

> guys and first aid this and let me be available only

> for the emergencies

> bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to

> do it. How do you

> think those emergencies services are funded.

> Emergency calls don't pay

> squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying

> patients that they can

> pick and choose and the emergency services get the

> non pay more fun type

> calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so

> I shouldn't have to

> deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the

> folks that call me

> thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to

> godly idea of what a

> true emergency is.

>

> If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the

> non-emergency

> transport services that can pick and choose only the

> paying patients and

> implement services where they absolutely do both.

> Teach your medics that

> this business is not all gravy and that no one is

> beneath them. All of

> these patients deserve the same care,attention and

> respect.

>

> The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding

> when someone call for

> you. You are there to assist them with whatever

> their crisis is. If all

> of your calls were crap then you may have an issue.

> Chances are they are

> not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your

> butt back to work

> doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people

> when you are called.

> Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

>

> Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

>

> Henry Barber

> Wor

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Top Water Bone color would work just fine.

Henry

sstephensmedic wrote:

> OH MY...Henry Barber is now the EMS guru....Well spoken my great and

> worthy fisherman of the South. My sentiments exactly. No blasting

> guns from the southwest...maybe I will send you a fishing lure for

> Christmas.

>

> Your unworthy friend (lol)

> stephen stephens

>

>

> O

> > OK

> >

> > Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that

> all of

> > this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs

> cpr

> > guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

> emergencies

> > bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do

> you

> > think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't

> pay

> > squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that

> they can

> > pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more

> fun type

> > calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't

> have to

> > deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call

> me

> > thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of

> what a

> > true emergency is.

> >

> > If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

> > transport services that can pick and choose only the paying

> patients and

> > implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your

> medics that

> > this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them.

> All of

> > these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

> >

> > The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call

> for

> > you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is.

> If all

> > of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are

> they are

> > not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to

> work

> > doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are

> called.

> > Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

> >

> > Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

> >

> > Henry Barber

> > Wor

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Top Water Bone color would work just fine.

Henry

sstephensmedic wrote:

> OH MY...Henry Barber is now the EMS guru....Well spoken my great and

> worthy fisherman of the South. My sentiments exactly. No blasting

> guns from the southwest...maybe I will send you a fishing lure for

> Christmas.

>

> Your unworthy friend (lol)

> stephen stephens

>

>

> O

> > OK

> >

> > Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that

> all of

> > this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs

> cpr

> > guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

> emergencies

> > bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do

> you

> > think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't

> pay

> > squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that

> they can

> > pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more

> fun type

> > calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't

> have to

> > deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call

> me

> > thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of

> what a

> > true emergency is.

> >

> > If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

> > transport services that can pick and choose only the paying

> patients and

> > implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your

> medics that

> > this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them.

> All of

> > these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

> >

> > The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call

> for

> > you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is.

> If all

> > of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are

> they are

> > not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to

> work

> > doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are

> called.

> > Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

> >

> > Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

> >

> > Henry Barber

> > Wor

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Top Water Bone color would work just fine.

Henry

sstephensmedic wrote:

> OH MY...Henry Barber is now the EMS guru....Well spoken my great and

> worthy fisherman of the South. My sentiments exactly. No blasting

> guns from the southwest...maybe I will send you a fishing lure for

> Christmas.

>

> Your unworthy friend (lol)

> stephen stephens

>

>

> O

> > OK

> >

> > Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that

> all of

> > this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs

> cpr

> > guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

> emergencies

> > bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do

> you

> > think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't

> pay

> > squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that

> they can

> > pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more

> fun type

> > calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't

> have to

> > deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call

> me

> > thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of

> what a

> > true emergency is.

> >

> > If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

> > transport services that can pick and choose only the paying

> patients and

> > implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your

> medics that

> > this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them.

> All of

> > these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

> >

> > The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call

> for

> > you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is.

> If all

> > of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are

> they are

> > not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to

> work

> > doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are

> called.

> > Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

> >

> > Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

> >

> > Henry Barber

> > Wor

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

james davis <james_dav_bmcg@y...> wrote:

>

> well said henry. agree completly. do all those who

> think that way @ transfers think they are going to

> 1) live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse

> or

> 2) never get old

No, Jim. I just hope that when I am old and need transportation to

and from my doctor's office every week, I am not forced to pay over

$500 dollars for the privilege of an LP staring at me in the back of a

$100k MICU to get it done. I would be perfectly content to pay a

driver and CNA to do the job for a quarter of the cost and not take an

emergency ambulance away from somebody who might actually need it.

Again, Henry's rant was great. It was simply irrelevant to the

discussion.

Rob

[Guest guest]

It doesn't have to be an LP or MICU... How about a BLS truck with EMT's?

CMS won't cover the cost unless it is in an ambulance.

Texas Health and Safety Code also states that if the individual has a

condition which is " medically necessary to transport the patient using a

stretcher " , they go by ambulance (SB521, effective 09/01/05).

Jack

Re: I am too good to make transfers.

james davis <james_dav_bmcg@y...> wrote:

>

> well said henry. agree completly. do all those who

> think that way @ transfers think they are going to

> 1) live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse

> or

> 2) never get old

No, Jim. I just hope that when I am old and need transportation to

and from my doctor's office every week, I am not forced to pay over

$500 dollars for the privilege of an LP staring at me in the back of a

$100k MICU to get it done. I would be perfectly content to pay a

driver and CNA to do the job for a quarter of the cost and not take an

emergency ambulance away from somebody who might actually need it.

Again, Henry's rant was great. It was simply irrelevant to the

discussion.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" Jack Pitcock " <jpitcock2@h...> wrote:

>

> It doesn't have to be an LP or MICU... How about a BLS truck with

EMT's?

>

> CMS won't cover the cost unless it is in an ambulance.

> Texas Health and Safety Code also states that if the individual has a

> condition which is " medically necessary to transport the patient

using a

> stretcher " , they go by ambulance (SB521, effective 09/01/05).

Correct. And that is why Henry's message was so off the mark. We're

not talking about picking and choosing who we want to transport.

We're talking about changing the system itself -- including the

regulations that govern such reimbursements -- to allow more focused

and efficient service for both the invalid transport business and EMS.

Rob

[Guest guest]

I completely agreed with Henry's statement, whether on the mark or

off the mark of the current conversation, glad it was said & so well

put.

To add to that somewhat & to Rob's comment - Transfers, whether or

valid or invalid, are always going to be a part of the system. This

is the same for those calling in emergencies & are out at the curb

with their bag in hand when the ambulance arrives with its lights &

siren going. People know how to work the system & work it well.

However, the dispatcher can only go off of what information the

caller gives & if it is a breathing problem or chest pain, for

instance, it will be a lights & siren response. Secondly, the

hospitals know how to get a transfer out of their facility, whether

it meets medical necissity or not. We had a call from a hospital a

few weeks ago & when asked what the medical necessity for transport

was, she stated, " well, what do I need to write on here to make it

medically necessary? " The system is not perfect & it never will

be.

Transfers, within our company though are probably a 60/40, maybe

even a 70/30 margin, being transfers to emergency transports.

Crews, newbies & veterans, still gripe when given a transfer (not

all, but a majority). IT'S PART OF THE JOB. You're being paid to

respond to every call & post move given. You're not being paid to

get your errands run during the day or sleep a full 8 hours at night.

I hate the fact that the system is manipulated but out of any

emergency service, EMS is the one taken advantage of by the public

because the one time we don't send a unit to even the most B.S.

sounding caller is when you end up in court handing over all your

certifications. I think more often than not, when the call is not

toned out as a major accident with 19 vehicles & 37 people ejected,

the crews are not thinking about that call prior to arrival & what

could be going on. Walk in & ask the patient what hospital they

want to be transported to instead of asking do you want to go to the

hospital. If they called for an ambulance in the first place, they

want some kind of help. Give it to them, get your papework done &

your unit back in service & take your compassion & sympathy to the

next call. After all, helping people is what we're here for & most

people just need someone they can trust & talk to.

Chad

> >

> > It doesn't have to be an LP or MICU... How about a BLS truck

with

> EMT's?

> >

> > CMS won't cover the cost unless it is in an ambulance.

> > Texas Health and Safety Code also states that if the individual

has a

> > condition which is " medically necessary to transport the patient

> using a

> > stretcher " , they go by ambulance (SB521, effective 09/01/05).

>

> Correct. And that is why Henry's message was so off the mark.

We're

> not talking about picking and choosing who we want to transport.

> We're talking about changing the system itself -- including the

> regulations that govern such reimbursements -- to allow more

focused

> and efficient service for both the invalid transport business and

EMS.

>

> Rob

>

[Guest guest]

-- " dustdevil31 " wrote:

Again, Henry's rant was great. It was simply irrelevant to the discussion.

Normally, I praise in public and counsul in confidence. However, I see a

recurring, PUBLIC trend here...

Rob, WHEN are you going to do more than disparage, down-play, diss, devalue, or

debunk any positive comments? Perhaps, more importantly, when are YOU going to

contribute a solution, positive, indifferent or neutral? At least something to

show you can do something other than point fingers.

Sure, I could use the delete key whenever I see your email name come up, but I

read anyway, out of hope (or, perhaps, morbid curiousity) that I may see

something that provides a solution, rather than a continued rag on the problem.

I am reminded of a bucket of crabs. The one trying to rise above the situation

is always getting dragged back down into the masses of the condemned.

" Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is

love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous

Larry RN, LP

Houston

[Guest guest]

" Chad " <carichey@e...> wrote:

>

> I completely agreed with Henry's statement, whether on the mark or

> off the mark of the current conversation...

I agree. I simply resent that he either misunderstood the point of

the discussion, or else attempted to twist the point to mean

something it did not.

> To add to that somewhat & to Rob's comment - Transfers, whether or

> valid or invalid, are always going to be a part of the system.

Just for clarification, I am using the term " invalid " to refer to a

person who is incapacitated by a chronic illness or disability.

That is, those transports which are honestly phoned in as a

scheduled doctors appointment or trip home, or some other simple,

non-medical transportation request. I am not using the

word " invalid " to mean a transport which is falsely requested as an

emergency and turns out to be somebody on the corner with their

luggage packed. You are absolutely correct that those people who

request an EMS response and transportation should get it without

prejudice.

Again, it seems that some people are bound and determined to make

this discussion into something other than what it is.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" Larry " <lanelson1@J...> wrote:

>

> Normally, I praise in public and counsul in confidence. However, I

> see a recurring, PUBLIC trend here...

Do you mean the trend of taking public personal shots at people

without contributing anything to the core discussion? Isn't that

exactly what you are doing here, Larry? Very disappointing, as you

are one of the people here whom I have always respected most.

> Rob, WHEN are you going to do more than disparage, down-play,

> diss, devalue, or debunk any positive comments?

Who decides which comments are positive and which are not? If

somebody presents a completely irrelevant or non-productive point,

is that necessarily " positive? " If somebody counters that point, is

that necessarily " negative? "

> Perhaps, more importantly, when are YOU going to contribute a

> solution, positive, indifferent or neutral? At least something to

> show you can do something other than point fingers.

I did so immediately after being asked at the very beginning of this

discussion, Larry. That would be a " positive " contribution. Then

it immediately degenerated into the current dispute as others

began " pointing fingers " and making " negative " comments regarding my

suggestions.

> Sure, I could use the delete key whenever I see your email name

> come up, but I read anyway, out of hope (or, perhaps, morbid

> curiousity) that I may see something that provides a solution,

> rather than a continued rag on the problem.

Well, at least that shows a minimal amount of optimism and devotion

to seeing the issue through to resolution. I admire that.

Although, it seems as though you already have your mind set as to

what answers are right and wrong, and what " solutions " you are

willing to accept as valid. So now you are simply going to sit back

and wait for me to agree with your opinion before you consider me to

be making a " positive contribution. " I would hesitate to label that

attitude as being anymore productive than anything I am doing.

> I am reminded of a bucket of crabs. The one trying to rise above

> the situation is always getting dragged back down into the masses

> of the condemned.

Ha! I like that! And in fact, it is quite analogous to this

discussion. I am the crab. You, my friend, are in the masses.

Think about it.

I am not particularly bothered by who is upset with me or my

suggestions. That's the nice thing about being retired. I don't

have to care what the rest of the industry thinks. I no longer have

a personal-professional stake in whether EMS runs taxi services or

not. It won't be me running them. And I am free to advocate what

is best for the profession without worrying about whether my

employers like it, politicians like it, fire chiefs like it or how

it affects their petty little turf wars.

If you want to be just an ambulance driver, be my guest. But don't

drag those few crabs who aspire to something better for themselves

and the profession back into that stinky bucket they have been

trying for thirty years to escape.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Henry's statement should be mandatory reading for everyone in EMS today.

EVERYONE!!!

>>> hbarber@... 10/13/05 3:22 PM >>>

OK

Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that all

of

this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs cpr

guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

emergencies

bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do you

think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't pay

squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that they

can

pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more fun

type

calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't have

to

deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call me

thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of what

a

true emergency is.

If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

transport services that can pick and choose only the paying patients

and

implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your medics

that

this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them. All of

these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call for

you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is. If

all

of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are they

are

not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to work

doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are called.

Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

Henry Barber

Wor

[Guest guest]

Henry's statement should be mandatory reading for everyone in EMS today.

EVERYONE!!!

>>> hbarber@... 10/13/05 3:22 PM >>>

OK

Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that all

of

this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs cpr

guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

emergencies

bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do you

think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't pay

squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that they

can

pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more fun

type

calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't have

to

deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call me

thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of what

a

true emergency is.

If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

transport services that can pick and choose only the paying patients

and

implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your medics

that

this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them. All of

these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call for

you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is. If

all

of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are they

are

not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to work

doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are called.

Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

Henry Barber

Wor

[Guest guest]

AMEN HENRY!!

Re: I am too good to make transfers.

Henry's statement should be mandatory reading for everyone in EMS today.

EVERYONE!!!

>>> hbarber@... 10/13/05 3:22 PM >>>

OK

Get your flare guns out and aim them south. It appears to me that all

of

this rabble about transfers vs emergencies vs wheel chair vans vs cpr

guys and first aid this and let me be available only for the

emergencies

bla bla bla all boils down to I just don't want to do it. How do you

think those emergencies services are funded. Emergency calls don't pay

squat. The transfer services get the gravy paying patients that they

can

pick and choose and the emergency services get the non pay more fun

type

calls that are emergency. Oh boy I am a para-god so I shouldn't have

to

deal with the elderly, the poor, the infirm or the folks that call me

thinking it is an emergency but does not live up to godly idea of what

a

true emergency is.

If you want a real EMS service get rid of all the non-emergency

transport services that can pick and choose only the paying patients

and

implement services where they absolutely do both. Teach your medics

that

this business is not all gravy and that no one is beneath them. All of

these patients deserve the same care,attention and respect.

The question was, what is EMS. EMS is responding when someone call for

you. You are there to assist them with whatever their crisis is. If

all

of your calls were crap then you may have an issue. Chances are they

are

not and only a few are. Deal with them and get your butt back to work

doing what you are supposed to do. Pick up people when you are called.

Its simple just do it and quit bitching.

Fire away, I am a big man you can't miss.

Henry Barber

Wor