Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 - It wasn't until I saw the class and the children who were falling over in their chairs that I realized this is not the right place. I think what I am going to do is get situated with our new case manager, fill her in on . Perhaps find a parent advocate and call another meeting prepared to fight for what he needs which is a normal class for hearing impaired children with total communication and an FM system. There is a school in the other district that would provide him with what he needs, but that is in the other district. - I think IDEA calls for Free and Appropriate Placement. FAPE (I might be a bit wrong on the acronym). My Hayley goes out to another district because that's the appropriate placement for her. The school district provides transportation and everything. I don't get why your district is so contentious. -- First day of school I'm already stressed > > > Hi everyone, > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > he signs something here he will ! > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > can't handle that. They need! > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > him using a single communication device, because he will go > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 - It wasn't until I saw the class and the children who were falling over in their chairs that I realized this is not the right place. I think what I am going to do is get situated with our new case manager, fill her in on . Perhaps find a parent advocate and call another meeting prepared to fight for what he needs which is a normal class for hearing impaired children with total communication and an FM system. There is a school in the other district that would provide him with what he needs, but that is in the other district. - I think IDEA calls for Free and Appropriate Placement. FAPE (I might be a bit wrong on the acronym). My Hayley goes out to another district because that's the appropriate placement for her. The school district provides transportation and everything. I don't get why your district is so contentious. -- First day of school I'm already stressed > > > Hi everyone, > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > he signs something here he will ! > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > can't handle that. They need! > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > him using a single communication device, because he will go > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 - It wasn't until I saw the class and the children who were falling over in their chairs that I realized this is not the right place. I think what I am going to do is get situated with our new case manager, fill her in on . Perhaps find a parent advocate and call another meeting prepared to fight for what he needs which is a normal class for hearing impaired children with total communication and an FM system. There is a school in the other district that would provide him with what he needs, but that is in the other district. - I think IDEA calls for Free and Appropriate Placement. FAPE (I might be a bit wrong on the acronym). My Hayley goes out to another district because that's the appropriate placement for her. The school district provides transportation and everything. I don't get why your district is so contentious. -- First day of school I'm already stressed > > > Hi everyone, > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > he signs something here he will ! > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > can't handle that. They need! > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > him using a single communication device, because he will go > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 The key words are that your child is entitled to a placement in the LEAST RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT and is to be educate with children who are normal as much as possible. They are in GROSS violation of the law....HI MARY! First day of school I'm already stressed > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > > > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > > > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > > > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > > > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > > > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > > > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > > > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > > > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > > > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > > > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > > > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > > > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > > > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > > > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > > > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > > > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > > > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > > > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > > > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > > > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > > > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > > > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > > > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > > > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > > > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > > > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > > > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > > > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > > > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > > > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > > > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > > > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > > > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > > > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > > > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > > > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > > > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > > > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > > > he signs something here he will ! > > > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > > > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > > > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > > > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > > > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > > > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > > > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > > > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > > > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > > > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > > > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > > > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > > > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > > > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > > > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > > > can't handle that. They need! > > > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > > > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > > > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > > > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > > > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > > > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > > > him using a single communication device, because he will go > > > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > > > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > > > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > > > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > > > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > > > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > > > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > > > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 The key words are that your child is entitled to a placement in the LEAST RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT and is to be educate with children who are normal as much as possible. They are in GROSS violation of the law....HI MARY! First day of school I'm already stressed > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > > > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > > > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > > > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > > > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > > > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > > > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > > > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > > > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > > > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > > > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > > > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > > > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > > > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > > > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > > > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > > > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > > > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > > > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > > > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > > > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > > > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > > > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > > > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > > > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > > > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > > > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > > > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > > > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > > > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > > > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > > > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > > > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > > > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > > > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > > > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > > > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > > > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > > > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > > > he signs something here he will ! > > > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > > > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > > > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > > > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > > > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > > > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > > > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > > > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > > > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > > > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > > > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > > > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > > > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > > > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > > > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > > > can't handle that. They need! > > > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > > > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > > > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > > > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > > > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > > > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > > > him using a single communication device, because he will go > > > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > > > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > > > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > > > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > > > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > > > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > > > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > > > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 The key words are that your child is entitled to a placement in the LEAST RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT and is to be educate with children who are normal as much as possible. They are in GROSS violation of the law....HI MARY! First day of school I'm already stressed > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > > > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > > > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > > > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > > > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > > > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > > > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > > > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > > > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > > > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > > > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > > > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > > > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > > > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > > > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > > > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > > > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > > > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > > > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > > > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > > > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > > > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > > > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > > > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > > > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > > > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > > > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > > > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > > > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > > > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > > > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > > > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > > > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > > > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > > > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > > > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > > > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > > > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > > > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > > > he signs something here he will ! > > > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > > > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > > > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > > > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > > > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > > > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > > > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > > > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > > > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > > > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > > > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > > > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > > > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > > > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > > > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > > > can't handle that. They need! > > > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > > > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > > > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > > > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > > > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > > > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > > > him using a single communication device, because he will go > > > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > > > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > > > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > > > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > > > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > > > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > > > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > > > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 That's something I asked about, if they don't have appropriate services can t they send him to the next district over where they can provide the services. The education guy said yes it's just a matter of proving that he is not getting appropriate services and that they are unable to provide the appropriate ones for him. They loose money by sending him out of district. This is my problem he can't really be tested with no language so how can I prove that he is above what they are doing with him? But this guy did offer to go with me to the meeting when I do call one. -- First day of school I'm already stressed > > > Hi everyone, > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > he signs something here he will ! > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > can't handle that. They need! > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > him using a single communication device, because he will go > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Ah, but you CAN prove that a signing environment is beneficial for . You've told us that before you taught him any signs had no language. You've also told us that he has now learned some signs and as a result has a small vocabulary (it doesn't matter how small). Ergo, teaching him signs helps acquire language where a pure language-only environment does not. Get a professional to note that and you have a powerful argument. This should not be about test results. This should be about what has worked in the real world. While it's not required to have a professional write a letter supporting you, it is enormously helpful in winning your case. Daphne > First day of school I'm already stressed > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > > > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > > > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > > > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > > > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > > > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > > > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > > > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > > > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > > > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > > > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > > > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > > > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > > > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > > > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > > > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > > > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > > > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > > > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > > > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > > > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > > > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > > > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > > > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > > > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > > > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > > > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > > > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > > > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > > > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > > > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > > > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > > > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > > > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > > > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > > > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > > > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > > > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > > > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > > > he signs something here he will ! > > > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > > > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > > > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > > > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > > > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > > > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > > > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > > > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > > > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > > > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > > > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > > > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > > > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > > > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > > > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > > > can't handle that. They need! > > > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > > > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > > > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > > > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > > > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > > > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > > > him using a single communication device, because he will go > > > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > > > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > > > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > > > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > > > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > > > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > > > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > > > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Yes but they will argue that his teacher does sign, they just have a limited vocabulary. My point is that I want someone who uses sign whenever she speaks so that it is second nature to him and he becomes more in tuned to watching people for what they are trying to say. I just feel in my gut that can help. Ok here is what I think I need to do. I am going to ask the teacher how to request an evaluation. I am going to simply state that when he was evaluated that was before his last surgery and he deffinatly was not functioning at the same ability he is now. He now will watch my face to see what sounds I am making, he knows what I am saying when I use a sign he knows and before he didn't, there are so many other things that I can't spacifically point out because I don't remember exactly what it is, I just see that this child is very smart, I think if they evaluate him again he would pose as much higher than he did before. Once we get a new evaluation I can then call an IEP meeting and have that guy attend with us. I keep calling him that guy because I don't remember his name and I don't know his exact title, I just know his job is to help people with children who have special needs with their educational needs. He is a professional advocate too, so that will be nice. He is a little soft spoken though so I don't know how strong he can be. I also need to call our case manager and discuss who is going to be switched to. I haven't spoken to her in weeks and she hasn't called. That isn't at all like her and I don't really know what's going on with it. We are technically supposed to have transferred already but we don't know to who. So I guess I really have a lot to do. 's speech therapist is concerned about me taking on too much, but I thought about it a lot and I seriously don't see that I could relax even a little until I know my little boy is in the right place and even though I know he may not get everything I want for him and think could help him, he needs people who are going to push him. So I can't relax until I make sure things are being done. I can of course try to relax in the process of getting things done. michelle First day of school I'm already stressed > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today was 's first day of school and as I have mentioned > > > before I don't feel the class is the right placement for > > > because the other kids are not even able to sit up on their own. > > > They have very limited use of their hands and are severely > > > delayed. I agreed to let them try this for about 2-3 months and > > > if I still didn't agree with the placement then to call an IEP > > > meeting. My husband thinks the teacher will call by the end of > > > the week telling us she doesn't think he belongs there. I don't know. > > > I am already stressing out. He came home and I got a list of > > > things he did today. They worked on saying things like " lets > > > talk " , and something else I didn't understand by pressing a > > > communication activator. From what I understand this is a button > > > that you record a message and he presses it and it plays back the > > > message. They said they worked on him responding to signs also. > > > I'm thinking they are going way too easy on him. He used one of > > > those communication devices when he was 18 months old and he > > > stopped signing because it was easier to just push the button. I > > > agreed that if they had a picture board for him to choose > > > spacific pictures that would be ok, but instead of helping him > > > gain more communication a communicator is going to limit his > > > willingness to sign. I've seen it before. Not to mention he is > > > way too old for something like this. He can sign, he is > > > physically able to do it and mentally as well, he just needs to > > > learn the sign and actually have a reason to use ! > > > it. They are dealing with the other children who are not able to > > > sign and so I think their expectations for are way too low > > > and I was frightened to hear that this is what they were working > > > on. Not to mention they were only working on responding to signs > > > and not for him to sign. Why don't they take the time they are > > > wasting on a communicator and use that to teach him how to sign. > > > Work on responding to signs and him signing for something he > > > wants. I would be semi-ok with a communicator that has multiple > > > buttons and you put pictures on each of them for him to choose > > > and he pushes the button he wants. Of course I think that is > > > unnecessary you could just take a board with the pictures and > > > whichever he pushes that's the one he wants. If they are going > > > to do pictures then that would work. Not to mention I made it > > > clear I wanted to know all the signs they are working on so we > > > could work on them at home. tends to not carry over, so if > > > he signs something here he will ! > > > go to school and figure out what works there, and what he does at > > > school he won't do at home because he knows that doesn't work at > > > home. So we have to do the same thing at home as at school so he > > > realizes this works everywhere. They didn't tell me anything > > > about which words they were working on. Not to mention why would > > > they work on pressing a button that has " lets talk " recorded on > > > it. First he doesn't understand what the button is saying, and > > > second what is the point of saying that, when he can't talk we > > > are working on communicating all ready he doesn't have to ask to > > > communicate. I don't know I could be seriously over-reacting, I > > > just needed to vent because the more I hear the more stressed I > > > am becoming. If I don't vent I will let this build up and get > > > even more stressed. I just need to get it out in order to keep > > > my sanity. I could be wrong but my gut is telling me they are > > > babying him and if they keep it up he is going to regress. I > > > can't handle that. They need! > > > to have much higher expectations of him, if they don't insist he > > > won't do it, he is very stubborn that way so we just have to be > > > more stubborn, they aren't being stubborn they are going lower > > > than his level and saying lets make this easy for you. Ok if you > > > have any suggestions on if I should still wait or if I should > > > jump in here. I told the teacher in a note that I didn't want > > > him using a single communication device, because he will go > > > backwards and not forward and that won't help him either. I said > > > if it is one that has a few different pictures that he needs to > > > choose from that would be ok. I don't think that they realize he > > > is a normal 3 year old who can't communicate, they aren't used to > > > that and I don't think they know how to deal with it. Not to > > > mention they know I can't prove that because he can't be tested > > > due to his lack of language. I just know from the things that he > > > knows and does that he is actually very smart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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