Re: National Scope of Practice Final Document

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That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has to

be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the resources

available. EMS being different from other medical or safety related professions

has to develop a strategy to train and educate our personnel. I personally

envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is considered the pinnacle of

ones career and not, we get into EMS to springboard us to Nursing where we can

make a better living. Will it happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see

the National Scope of Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It is

happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as written

there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I believe putting

this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says " EMT-Intermediate

is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference in the level as

explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate? I don't

particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but it happens);

where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on board and start

somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we be able to steer

our profession in the right direction. It has been stated many times before me

that being a large group instead of scattered squads is when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what major

problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on major

differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on this list

for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major changes

not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe). Prove me

wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS field

as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is an actual

basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the up-state, rural

areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services are volunteer. They

can not afford to have there people required to be AAS holders in order to

practice. With that said I understand the educational requirements, but they

can't take there people " off line " untill the educational requirements are met

(for the AAS). I know some excellent Paramedics and Critical Care medics up

there, some of which will never go to school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine.

Conversely in the more populated areas of the country getting the educational

requirements is not that hard of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share

in that) when we of the EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the

pre-hospital medical field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and ride

with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics would

gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater understanding of our

profession in the medical field. For those of you in our field who haven't seen

the writing on the wall get you education in order (either by night classes or

on-line) give our profession some backing. Just look at what most Paramedics can

do in the pre-hospital setting today compared to the " ny and Roy

environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list are

paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department, San

Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the state.

They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in certain

ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what they

once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make things

better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

_____

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Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has

to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is

considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It

is happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as

written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I

believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

" EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference

in the level as explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate?

I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but

it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on

board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we

be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been stated

many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered squads is

when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what

major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on

major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on

this list for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe).

Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS

field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is

an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the

up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services

are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be AAS

holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the educational

requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never go to

school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more populated

areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that hard

of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of the

EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital medical

field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and

ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics

would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you in

our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education in

order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some backing.

Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting today

compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list are

paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department, San

Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the state.

They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in certain

ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what they

once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make things

better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has

to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is

considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It

is happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as

written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I

believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

" EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference

in the level as explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate?

I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but

it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on

board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we

be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been stated

many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered squads is

when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what

major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on

major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on

this list for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe).

Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS

field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is

an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the

up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services

are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be AAS

holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the educational

requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never go to

school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more populated

areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that hard

of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of the

EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital medical

field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and

ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics

would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you in

our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education in

order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some backing.

Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting today

compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list are

paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department, San

Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the state.

They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in certain

ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what they

once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make things

better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has

to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is

considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It

is happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as

written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I

believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

" EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference

in the level as explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate?

I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but

it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on

board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we

be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been stated

many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered squads is

when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what

major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on

major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on

this list for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe).

Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS

field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is

an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the

up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services

are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be AAS

holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the educational

requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never go to

school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more populated

areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that hard

of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of the

EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital medical

field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and

ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics

would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you in

our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education in

order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some backing.

Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting today

compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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How many rural community and large city providers who do care and want to see it

done better are on the list? The apathy may be deafening but that is why people

who have a say should say it. Of course this is also why EMS should separate

itself from the Fire Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play

with fire. Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

Bledsoe wrote:

The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list are

paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department, San

Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the state.

They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in certain

ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what they

once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make things

better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has

to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is

considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It

is happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as

written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I

believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

" EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference

in the level as explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate?

I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but

it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on

board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we

be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been stated

many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered squads is

when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what

major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on

major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on

this list for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe).

Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS

field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is

an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the

up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services

are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be AAS

holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the educational

requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never go to

school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more populated

areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that hard

of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of the

EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital medical

field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and

ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics

would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you in

our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education in

order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some backing.

Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting today

compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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How many rural community and large city providers who do care and want to see it

done better are on the list? The apathy may be deafening but that is why people

who have a say should say it. Of course this is also why EMS should separate

itself from the Fire Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play

with fire. Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

Bledsoe wrote:

The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list are

paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department, San

Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the state.

They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in certain

ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what they

once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make things

better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has

to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is

considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It

is happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as

written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I

believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

" EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference

in the level as explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate?

I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but

it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on

board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we

be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been stated

many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered squads is

when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what

major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on

major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on

this list for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe).

Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS

field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is

an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the

up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services

are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be AAS

holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the educational

requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never go to

school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more populated

areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that hard

of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of the

EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital medical

field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and

ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics

would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you in

our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education in

order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some backing.

Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting today

compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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How many rural community and large city providers who do care and want to see it

done better are on the list? The apathy may be deafening but that is why people

who have a say should say it. Of course this is also why EMS should separate

itself from the Fire Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play

with fire. Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

Bledsoe wrote:

The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list are

paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department, San

Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the state.

They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in certain

ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what they

once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make things

better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The education has

to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where EMS is

considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

Practice as a way to get on that page.

Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I do. It

is happening now.

I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document as

written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas. I

believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad thing.

If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

" EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major difference

in the level as explained in the document and what is now EMT-Intermediate?

I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very rarely but

it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets get on

board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then will we

be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been stated

many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered squads is

when we will be heard.

Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change what

major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything on

major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put them on

this list for all to see.

I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato (Poe-tay-toe).

Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

wrote:

Danny;

I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the EMS

field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First, there is

an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from the

up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most services

are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be AAS

holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the educational

requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never go to

school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more populated

areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that hard

of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of the

EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital medical

field and those in the Nursing

field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come and

ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most Paramedics

would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you in

our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education in

order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some backing.

Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting today

compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling anyway.

Thanks

Pat

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Good luck Danny, its like a fungus that keeps spreading and spreading.

Fire service has preached so much fire safety that it actually works. So

no runs means lets take over EMS to get the runs and funding but lets

not really support EMS. Good luck stopping the spread of this disease,

it is moving into smaller communities as we speak.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> How many rural community and large city providers who do care and

> want to see it done better are on the list? The apathy may be

> deafening but that is why people who have a say should say it. Of

> course this is also why EMS should separate itself from the Fire

> Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play with fire.

> Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

> I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:

> The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list

> are

> paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department,

> San

> Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the

> state.

> They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in

> certain

> ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what

> they

> once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make

> things

> better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On

> Behalf Of Danny

> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

>

>

> That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The

> education has

> to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

>

> resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

> related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

>

> personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where

> EMS is

> considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

> springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

> happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

> Practice as a way to get on that page.

> Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I

> do. It

> is happening now.

> I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document

> as

> written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas.

> I

> believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad

> thing.

> If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

> " EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major

> difference

> in the level as explained in the document and what is now

> EMT-Intermediate?

> I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very

> rarely but

> it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets

> get on

> board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then

> will we

> be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been

> stated

> many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered

> squads is

> when we will be heard.

> Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change

> what

> major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything

> on

> major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put

> them on

> this list for all to see.

> I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

>

> changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato

> (Poe-tay-toe).

> Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

>

> wrote:

>

>

> Danny;

>

> I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the

> EMS

> field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First,

> there is

> an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from

> the

> up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most

> services

> are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be

> AAS

> holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the

> educational

> requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

> educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

> Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never

> go to

> school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more

> populated

> areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that

> hard

> of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of

> the

> EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital

> medical

> field and those in the Nursing

> field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come

> and

> ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most

> Paramedics

> would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

> understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you

> in

> our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education

> in

> order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some

> backing.

> Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting

> today

> compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling

> anyway.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This message created by: W.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck Danny, its like a fungus that keeps spreading and spreading.

Fire service has preached so much fire safety that it actually works. So

no runs means lets take over EMS to get the runs and funding but lets

not really support EMS. Good luck stopping the spread of this disease,

it is moving into smaller communities as we speak.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> How many rural community and large city providers who do care and

> want to see it done better are on the list? The apathy may be

> deafening but that is why people who have a say should say it. Of

> course this is also why EMS should separate itself from the Fire

> Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play with fire.

> Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

> I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:

> The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list

> are

> paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department,

> San

> Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the

> state.

> They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in

> certain

> ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what

> they

> once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make

> things

> better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On

> Behalf Of Danny

> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

>

>

> That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The

> education has

> to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

>

> resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

> related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

>

> personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where

> EMS is

> considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

> springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

> happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

> Practice as a way to get on that page.

> Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I

> do. It

> is happening now.

> I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document

> as

> written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas.

> I

> believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad

> thing.

> If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

> " EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major

> difference

> in the level as explained in the document and what is now

> EMT-Intermediate?

> I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very

> rarely but

> it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets

> get on

> board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then

> will we

> be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been

> stated

> many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered

> squads is

> when we will be heard.

> Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change

> what

> major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything

> on

> major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put

> them on

> this list for all to see.

> I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

>

> changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato

> (Poe-tay-toe).

> Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

>

> wrote:

>

>

> Danny;

>

> I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the

> EMS

> field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First,

> there is

> an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from

> the

> up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most

> services

> are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be

> AAS

> holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the

> educational

> requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

> educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

> Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never

> go to

> school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more

> populated

> areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that

> hard

> of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of

> the

> EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital

> medical

> field and those in the Nursing

> field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come

> and

> ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most

> Paramedics

> would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

> understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you

> in

> our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education

> in

> order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some

> backing.

> Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting

> today

> compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling

> anyway.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This message created by: W.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck Danny, its like a fungus that keeps spreading and spreading.

Fire service has preached so much fire safety that it actually works. So

no runs means lets take over EMS to get the runs and funding but lets

not really support EMS. Good luck stopping the spread of this disease,

it is moving into smaller communities as we speak.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> How many rural community and large city providers who do care and

> want to see it done better are on the list? The apathy may be

> deafening but that is why people who have a say should say it. Of

> course this is also why EMS should separate itself from the Fire

> Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play with fire.

> Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

> I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:

> The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list

> are

> paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department,

> San

> Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the

> state.

> They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in

> certain

> ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what

> they

> once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make

> things

> better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On

> Behalf Of Danny

> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

>

>

> That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The

> education has

> to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

>

> resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

> related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

>

> personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where

> EMS is

> considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

> springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

> happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

> Practice as a way to get on that page.

> Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I

> do. It

> is happening now.

> I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document

> as

> written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas.

> I

> believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad

> thing.

> If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

> " EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major

> difference

> in the level as explained in the document and what is now

> EMT-Intermediate?

> I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very

> rarely but

> it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets

> get on

> board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then

> will we

> be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been

> stated

> many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered

> squads is

> when we will be heard.

> Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change

> what

> major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything

> on

> major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put

> them on

> this list for all to see.

> I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

>

> changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato

> (Poe-tay-toe).

> Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

>

> wrote:

>

>

> Danny;

>

> I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the

> EMS

> field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First,

> there is

> an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from

> the

> up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most

> services

> are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be

> AAS

> holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the

> educational

> requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

> educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

> Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never

> go to

> school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more

> populated

> areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that

> hard

> of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of

> the

> EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital

> medical

> field and those in the Nursing

> field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come

> and

> ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most

> Paramedics

> would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

> understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you

> in

> our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education

> in

> order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some

> backing.

> Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting

> today

> compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling

> anyway.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This message created by: W.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not going to do it by myself. Can't do it by myself. Don't have to sit back and

complain about it and do nothing either. Simple thoughts from a simple mind.

Henry wrote:

Good luck Danny, its like a fungus that keeps spreading and spreading.

Fire service has preached so much fire safety that it actually works. So

no runs means lets take over EMS to get the runs and funding but lets

not really support EMS. Good luck stopping the spread of this disease,

it is moving into smaller communities as we speak.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> How many rural community and large city providers who do care and

> want to see it done better are on the list? The apathy may be

> deafening but that is why people who have a say should say it. Of

> course this is also why EMS should separate itself from the Fire

> Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play with fire.

> Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

> I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:

> The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list

> are

> paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department,

> San

> Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the

> state.

> They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in

> certain

> ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what

> they

> once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make

> things

> better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On

> Behalf Of Danny

> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

>

>

> That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The

> education has

> to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

>

> resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

> related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

>

> personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where

> EMS is

> considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

> springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

> happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

> Practice as a way to get on that page.

> Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I

> do. It

> is happening now.

> I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document

> as

> written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas.

> I

> believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad

> thing.

> If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

> " EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major

> difference

> in the level as explained in the document and what is now

> EMT-Intermediate?

> I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very

> rarely but

> it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets

> get on

> board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then

> will we

> be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been

> stated

> many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered

> squads is

> when we will be heard.

> Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change

> what

> major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything

> on

> major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put

> them on

> this list for all to see.

> I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

>

> changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato

> (Poe-tay-toe).

> Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

>

> wrote:

>

>

> Danny;

>

> I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the

> EMS

> field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First,

> there is

> an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from

> the

> up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most

> services

> are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be

> AAS

> holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the

> educational

> requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

> educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

> Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never

> go to

> school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more

> populated

> areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that

> hard

> of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of

> the

> EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital

> medical

> field and those in the Nursing

> field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come

> and

> ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most

> Paramedics

> would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

> understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you

> in

> our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education

> in

> order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some

> backing.

> Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting

> today

> compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling

> anyway.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This message created by: W.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not going to do it by myself. Can't do it by myself. Don't have to sit back and

complain about it and do nothing either. Simple thoughts from a simple mind.

Henry wrote:

Good luck Danny, its like a fungus that keeps spreading and spreading.

Fire service has preached so much fire safety that it actually works. So

no runs means lets take over EMS to get the runs and funding but lets

not really support EMS. Good luck stopping the spread of this disease,

it is moving into smaller communities as we speak.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> How many rural community and large city providers who do care and

> want to see it done better are on the list? The apathy may be

> deafening but that is why people who have a say should say it. Of

> course this is also why EMS should separate itself from the Fire

> Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play with fire.

> Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

> I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:

> The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list

> are

> paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department,

> San

> Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the

> state.

> They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in

> certain

> ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what

> they

> once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make

> things

> better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On

> Behalf Of Danny

> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

>

>

> That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The

> education has

> to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

>

> resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

> related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

>

> personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where

> EMS is

> considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

> springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

> happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

> Practice as a way to get on that page.

> Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I

> do. It

> is happening now.

> I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document

> as

> written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas.

> I

> believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad

> thing.

> If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

> " EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major

> difference

> in the level as explained in the document and what is now

> EMT-Intermediate?

> I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very

> rarely but

> it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets

> get on

> board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then

> will we

> be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been

> stated

> many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered

> squads is

> when we will be heard.

> Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change

> what

> major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything

> on

> major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put

> them on

> this list for all to see.

> I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

>

> changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato

> (Poe-tay-toe).

> Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

>

> wrote:

>

>

> Danny;

>

> I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the

> EMS

> field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First,

> there is

> an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from

> the

> up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most

> services

> are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be

> AAS

> holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the

> educational

> requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

> educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

> Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never

> go to

> school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more

> populated

> areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that

> hard

> of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of

> the

> EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital

> medical

> field and those in the Nursing

> field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come

> and

> ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most

> Paramedics

> would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

> understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you

> in

> our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education

> in

> order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some

> backing.

> Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting

> today

> compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling

> anyway.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This message created by: W.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not going to do it by myself. Can't do it by myself. Don't have to sit back and

complain about it and do nothing either. Simple thoughts from a simple mind.

Henry wrote:

Good luck Danny, its like a fungus that keeps spreading and spreading.

Fire service has preached so much fire safety that it actually works. So

no runs means lets take over EMS to get the runs and funding but lets

not really support EMS. Good luck stopping the spread of this disease,

it is moving into smaller communities as we speak.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> How many rural community and large city providers who do care and

> want to see it done better are on the list? The apathy may be

> deafening but that is why people who have a say should say it. Of

> course this is also why EMS should separate itself from the Fire

> Departments. Let those who want to play with fire, play with fire.

> Let those who want to do EMS, do EMS.

> I also believe in Leprechauns by the way.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:

> The apathy is deafening in regard to EMS. How many people on the list

> are

> paramedics with the Dallas Fire Department, Houston Fire Department,

> San

> Fire Department? These are the biggest EMS operators in the

> state.

> They are firefighters and, in many cases, despise EMS. They hope, in

> certain

> ways, this will all fail and the fire departments will return to what

> they

> once were. There are a few that will embrace EMS and work to make

> things

> better--but they are as common as 4 leaf clovers.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On

> Behalf Of Danny

> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:08 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

>

>

> That is kind of where I am going in asking the questions. The

> education has

> to be there. We have to find ways to educate those who do not have the

>

> resources available. EMS being different from other medical or safety

> related professions has to develop a strategy to train and educate our

>

> personnel. I personally envision a system not unlike Australia where

> EMS is

> considered the pinnacle of ones career and not, we get into EMS to

> springboard us to Nursing where we can make a better living. Will it

> happen? Only if we get on the same page. I see the National Scope of

> Practice as a way to get on that page.

> Do I believe there will be attempts to derail the operation? Yes I

> do. It

> is happening now.

> I still believe that if there are major concerns with the document

> as

> written there appears to be nothing to stop changing it to suit Texas.

> I

> believe putting this document as the minimum standard is not a bad

> thing.

> If you don't want to be known as an Advanced EMT, Texas says

> " EMT-Intermediate is the same as Advanced EMT " . Is there a major

> difference

> in the level as explained in the document and what is now

> EMT-Intermediate?

> I don't particularly see, but I have been know to be wrong (very

> rarely but

> it happens); where the major difference is. Ladies and Gentlemen lets

> get on

> board and start somewhere with being a group to be heard. Only then

> will we

> be able to steer our profession in the right direction. It has been

> stated

> many times before me that being a large group instead of scattered

> squads is

> when we will be heard.

> Please take this as an opportunity to form the beginning. Change

> what

> major problems there are and lets go. I still have not seen anything

> on

> major differences. I am still asking those who have seen them to put

> them on

> this list for all to see.

> I will go back to a statement I have made before. Lets see the major

>

> changes not just I say potato (Poe-ta-toe) and you say potato

> (Poe-tay-toe).

> Prove me wrong. I am waiting.

>

> wrote:

>

>

> Danny;

>

> I agree with your response. I feel that most of the resistance in the

> EMS

> field as far as the National Scope is concerned is two-fold. First,

> there is

> an actual basis for resisting the education requirements. I came from

> the

> up-state, rural areas of New York, where most (not all) but most

> services

> are volunteer. They can not afford to have there people required to be

> AAS

> holders in order to practice. With that said I understand the

> educational

> requirements, but they can't take there people " off line " untill the

> educational requirements are met (for the AAS). I know some excellent

> Paramedics and Critical Care medics up there, some of which will never

> go to

> school and earn an AAS in Paramedicine. Conversely in the more

> populated

> areas of the country getting the educational requirements is not that

> hard

> of a deal. I can see the frustration (I now share in that) when we of

> the

> EMS field are looked at as the ugly " step child " of the pre-hospital

> medical

> field and those in the Nursing

> field. I say to those in the Nursing field that look at us funny, come

> and

> ride with us, see what we do, understand us don't reject us. Most

> Paramedics

> would gladly welcome a nurse if the end result would be a greater

> understanding of our profession in the medical field. For those of you

> in

> our field who haven't seen the writing on the wall get you education

> in

> order (either by night classes or on-line) give our profession some

> backing.

> Just look at what most Paramedics can do in the pre-hospital setting

> today

> compared to the " ny and Roy environment " That is my feeling

> anyway.

>

> Thanks

>

> Pat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This message created by: W.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that work

for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very compassionate about

EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require you to have a degree but

we do require that you study and practice to be the VERY BEST in treatment and

skills that you can be. I feel that there needs to be some changes in the scope

of practice but we need something that is in that line. I currently do not have

a collage education but I feel that a can do everything that is needed to

provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I am a firefighter AND a paramedic and

very proud to be both. I feel that if you do not want to continue to learn go

flip hamburgers or something. We have a long way to go in be recognized as

professionals. I feel the we should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe

I could not resist being a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that work

for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very compassionate about

EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require you to have a degree but

we do require that you study and practice to be the VERY BEST in treatment and

skills that you can be. I feel that there needs to be some changes in the scope

of practice but we need something that is in that line. I currently do not have

a collage education but I feel that a can do everything that is needed to

provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I am a firefighter AND a paramedic and

very proud to be both. I feel that if you do not want to continue to learn go

flip hamburgers or something. We have a long way to go in be recognized as

professionals. I feel the we should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe

I could not resist being a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that work

for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very compassionate about

EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require you to have a degree but

we do require that you study and practice to be the VERY BEST in treatment and

skills that you can be. I feel that there needs to be some changes in the scope

of practice but we need something that is in that line. I currently do not have

a collage education but I feel that a can do everything that is needed to

provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I am a firefighter AND a paramedic and

very proud to be both. I feel that if you do not want to continue to learn go

flip hamburgers or something. We have a long way to go in be recognized as

professionals. I feel the we should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe

I could not resist being a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Be proud that you are a 4 leaf clover--I like to be wrong on such things.

BEB

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of m spillman

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:45 PM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Be proud that you are a 4 leaf clover--I like to be wrong on such things.

BEB

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of m spillman

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:45 PM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Be proud that you are a 4 leaf clover--I like to be wrong on such things.

BEB

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of m spillman

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:45 PM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Mr. Bledson,

Being one who likes to extend metaphors to their fullest limits, I would

submit that the people like this are the 3 leaf clovers....The others,

naysayers and anti-EMSers are the 4 leaf clovers....they are more rare than

one would think but they, like 4 leaf clovers, get much more attention than

the 3 leaf clovers plugging along doing their best.

Just my opinion.

Chambers, LP

-- RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Mr. Bledson,

Being one who likes to extend metaphors to their fullest limits, I would

submit that the people like this are the 3 leaf clovers....The others,

naysayers and anti-EMSers are the 4 leaf clovers....they are more rare than

one would think but they, like 4 leaf clovers, get much more attention than

the 3 leaf clovers plugging along doing their best.

Just my opinion.

Chambers, LP

-- RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Mr. Bledson,

Being one who likes to extend metaphors to their fullest limits, I would

submit that the people like this are the 3 leaf clovers....The others,

naysayers and anti-EMSers are the 4 leaf clovers....they are more rare than

one would think but they, like 4 leaf clovers, get much more attention than

the 3 leaf clovers plugging along doing their best.

Just my opinion.

Chambers, LP

-- RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

I had better get a legal opinion on that. Mr. Grady?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Chambers

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:32 PM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Mr. Bledson,

Being one who likes to extend metaphors to their fullest limits, I would

submit that the people like this are the 3 leaf clovers....The others,

naysayers and anti-EMSers are the 4 leaf clovers....they are more rare than

one would think but they, like 4 leaf clovers, get much more attention than

the 3 leaf clovers plugging along doing their best.

Just my opinion.

Chambers, LP

-- RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

I had better get a legal opinion on that. Mr. Grady?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Chambers

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:32 PM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Mr. Bledson,

Being one who likes to extend metaphors to their fullest limits, I would

submit that the people like this are the 3 leaf clovers....The others,

naysayers and anti-EMSers are the 4 leaf clovers....they are more rare than

one would think but they, like 4 leaf clovers, get much more attention than

the 3 leaf clovers plugging along doing their best.

Just my opinion.

Chambers, LP

-- RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

I had better get a legal opinion on that. Mr. Grady?

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Chambers

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:32 PM

To:

Subject: RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Mr. Bledson,

Being one who likes to extend metaphors to their fullest limits, I would

submit that the people like this are the 3 leaf clovers....The others,

naysayers and anti-EMSers are the 4 leaf clovers....they are more rare than

one would think but they, like 4 leaf clovers, get much more attention than

the 3 leaf clovers plugging along doing their best.

Just my opinion.

Chambers, LP

-- RE: National Scope of Practice Final Document

Danny,

I must be one of the four leaf clovers and there are several others that

work for fire departments in the area that I do. They feel very

compassionate about EMS as I do. I work in a system that does not require

you to have a degree but we do require that you study and practice to be the

VERY BEST in treatment and skills that you can be. I feel that there needs

to be some changes in the scope of practice but we need something that is in

that line. I currently do not have a collage education but I feel that a can

do everything that is needed to provide PROFESSIONAL care to my patients. I

am a firefighter AND a paramedic and very proud to be both. I feel that if

you do not want to continue to learn go flip hamburgers or something. We

have a long way to go in be recognized as professionals. I feel the we

should strive to be the best we can be. Dr Bledsoe I could not resist being

a four leaf clover?

<<<< you can lead a horse to water butyou can't make him drink>>>>>>

born 150 years to late ???

cowboy up!?

---------------------------------

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.