RE: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

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June; I will be thinking of you in the morning, stay tough.

ren

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June wrote:

I am a atheist,

woaw....how do you feel being different...?

I left shortly after I signed on last time with a brief explanation. I come here to talk about breast cancer and get encouraging news about survival rates and how to deal with treatments on a medical level and scientific level and maybe get some insight. I don't mind if people say they want to pray or meditate or tell the pink goddess or the breast fairy for that matter. But please don't tell me I have to put myself right with god, be saved or get religion cause it ain't gonna happen and it's not something I want to hear now or ever.

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it.

I need support for my cancer and I don't feel supported or respected if people are going to come at me with things I don't believe in or care about.

........no need to be so rude, I think....and I insist

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it. I see respect toward you, and you being rude toward others.

You wrote you are an humanist. What happened to the respect to others belief ? what happend to "okay, I think different from you, but peace is my heart"..? what happen to "oh, yeah, you know, I am not a believer but thank you anyway for your concern, I admire your faith and I am glad it support you, I have my Darwin sticker on my car and I am happy with that "...?

Politly.

Because you quote peace, and stir war, lady.

What happened to your "understanding"...?

If that's a problem for everyone or the list owner fine, I'll try and bow out gracefully and find someplace else to go.

.....should we run for our lives...? woops.

If you go, tell me there so I will do my best not to meet you anymore. "Humanist", or whatever you meant by that.

Lu

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

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That is because you misunderstood my post. I respect anyone's right to believe anything they want as long as they don't push it on me. To answer your question the first time I came here 2 weeks ago several people told me I need to get right with god. My fault, I should have introduced myself better.

I don't think I was being rude, just to the point, it's the way I communicate. Email is tricky business, things don't always come off the way you meant them. I just wanted to be clear on why I was here, that's all. If you took it any other way than you read it in a completely different way than I meant it.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of LucillaSent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:15 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

June wrote:

I am a atheist,

woaw....how do you feel being different...?

I left shortly after I signed on last time with a brief explanation. I come here to talk about breast cancer and get encouraging news about survival rates and how to deal with treatments on a medical level and scientific level and maybe get some insight. I don't mind if people say they want to pray or meditate or tell the pink goddess or the breast fairy for that matter. But please don't tell me I have to put myself right with god, be saved or get religion cause it ain't gonna happen and it's not something I want to hear now or ever.

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it.

I need support for my cancer and I don't feel supported or respected if people are going to come at me with things I don't believe in or care about.

........no need to be so rude, I think....and I insist

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it. I see respect toward you, and you being rude toward others.

You wrote you are an humanist. What happened to the respect to others belief ? what happend to "okay, I think different from you, but peace is my heart"..? what happen to "oh, yeah, you know, I am not a believer but thank you anyway for your concern, I admire your faith and I am glad it support you, I have my Darwin sticker on my car and I am happy with that "...?

Politly.

Because you quote peace, and stir war, lady.

What happened to your "understanding"...?

If that's a problem for everyone or the list owner fine, I'll try and bow out gracefully and find someplace else to go.

.....should we run for our lives...? woops.

If you go, tell me there so I will do my best not to meet you anymore. "Humanist", or whatever you meant by that.

Lu

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

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That is because you misunderstood my post. I respect anyone's right to believe anything they want as long as they don't push it on me. To answer your question the first time I came here 2 weeks ago several people told me I need to get right with god. My fault, I should have introduced myself better.

I don't think I was being rude, just to the point, it's the way I communicate. Email is tricky business, things don't always come off the way you meant them. I just wanted to be clear on why I was here, that's all. If you took it any other way than you read it in a completely different way than I meant it.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of LucillaSent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:15 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

June wrote:

I am a atheist,

woaw....how do you feel being different...?

I left shortly after I signed on last time with a brief explanation. I come here to talk about breast cancer and get encouraging news about survival rates and how to deal with treatments on a medical level and scientific level and maybe get some insight. I don't mind if people say they want to pray or meditate or tell the pink goddess or the breast fairy for that matter. But please don't tell me I have to put myself right with god, be saved or get religion cause it ain't gonna happen and it's not something I want to hear now or ever.

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it.

I need support for my cancer and I don't feel supported or respected if people are going to come at me with things I don't believe in or care about.

........no need to be so rude, I think....and I insist

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it. I see respect toward you, and you being rude toward others.

You wrote you are an humanist. What happened to the respect to others belief ? what happend to "okay, I think different from you, but peace is my heart"..? what happen to "oh, yeah, you know, I am not a believer but thank you anyway for your concern, I admire your faith and I am glad it support you, I have my Darwin sticker on my car and I am happy with that "...?

Politly.

Because you quote peace, and stir war, lady.

What happened to your "understanding"...?

If that's a problem for everyone or the list owner fine, I'll try and bow out gracefully and find someplace else to go.

.....should we run for our lives...? woops.

If you go, tell me there so I will do my best not to meet you anymore. "Humanist", or whatever you meant by that.

Lu

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I hear your point and I agree. E-mails are tricky.

Well, no offense taken here, and hope for you too.

x

LuJune wrote:

That is because you misunderstood my post. I respect anyone's right to believe anything they want as long as they don't push it on me. To answer your question the first time I came here 2 weeks ago several people told me I need to get right with god. My fault, I should have introduced myself better.

I don't think I was being rude, just to the point, it's the way I communicate. Email is tricky business, things don't always come off the way you meant them. I just wanted to be clear on why I was here, that's all. If you took it any other way than you read it in a completely different way than I meant it.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of LucillaSent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:15 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

June wrote:

I am a atheist,

woaw....how do you feel being different...?

I left shortly after I signed on last time with a brief explanation. I come here to talk about breast cancer and get encouraging news about survival rates and how to deal with treatments on a medical level and scientific level and maybe get some insight. I don't mind if people say they want to pray or meditate or tell the pink goddess or the breast fairy for that matter. But please don't tell me I have to put myself right with god, be saved or get religion cause it ain't gonna happen and it's not something I want to hear now or ever.

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it.

I need support for my cancer and I don't feel supported or respected if people are going to come at me with things I don't believe in or care about.

........no need to be so rude, I think....and I insist

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it. I see respect toward you, and you being rude toward others.

You wrote you are an humanist. What happened to the respect to others belief ? what happend to "okay, I think different from you, but peace is my heart"..? what happen to "oh, yeah, you know, I am not a believer but thank you anyway for your concern, I admire your faith and I am glad it support you, I have my Darwin sticker on my car and I am happy with that "...?

Politly.

Because you quote peace, and stir war, lady.

What happened to your "understanding"...?

If that's a problem for everyone or the list owner fine, I'll try and bow out gracefully and find someplace else to go.

.....should we run for our lives...? woops.

If you go, tell me there so I will do my best not to meet you anymore. "Humanist", or whatever you meant by that.

Lu

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I hear your point and I agree. E-mails are tricky.

Well, no offense taken here, and hope for you too.

x

LuJune wrote:

That is because you misunderstood my post. I respect anyone's right to believe anything they want as long as they don't push it on me. To answer your question the first time I came here 2 weeks ago several people told me I need to get right with god. My fault, I should have introduced myself better.

I don't think I was being rude, just to the point, it's the way I communicate. Email is tricky business, things don't always come off the way you meant them. I just wanted to be clear on why I was here, that's all. If you took it any other way than you read it in a completely different way than I meant it.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of LucillaSent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:15 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

June wrote:

I am a atheist,

woaw....how do you feel being different...?

I left shortly after I signed on last time with a brief explanation. I come here to talk about breast cancer and get encouraging news about survival rates and how to deal with treatments on a medical level and scientific level and maybe get some insight. I don't mind if people say they want to pray or meditate or tell the pink goddess or the breast fairy for that matter. But please don't tell me I have to put myself right with god, be saved or get religion cause it ain't gonna happen and it's not something I want to hear now or ever.

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it.

I need support for my cancer and I don't feel supported or respected if people are going to come at me with things I don't believe in or care about.

........no need to be so rude, I think....and I insist

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it. I see respect toward you, and you being rude toward others.

You wrote you are an humanist. What happened to the respect to others belief ? what happend to "okay, I think different from you, but peace is my heart"..? what happen to "oh, yeah, you know, I am not a believer but thank you anyway for your concern, I admire your faith and I am glad it support you, I have my Darwin sticker on my car and I am happy with that "...?

Politly.

Because you quote peace, and stir war, lady.

What happened to your "understanding"...?

If that's a problem for everyone or the list owner fine, I'll try and bow out gracefully and find someplace else to go.

.....should we run for our lives...? woops.

If you go, tell me there so I will do my best not to meet you anymore. "Humanist", or whatever you meant by that.

Lu

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I hear your point and I agree. E-mails are tricky.

Well, no offense taken here, and hope for you too.

x

LuJune wrote:

That is because you misunderstood my post. I respect anyone's right to believe anything they want as long as they don't push it on me. To answer your question the first time I came here 2 weeks ago several people told me I need to get right with god. My fault, I should have introduced myself better.

I don't think I was being rude, just to the point, it's the way I communicate. Email is tricky business, things don't always come off the way you meant them. I just wanted to be clear on why I was here, that's all. If you took it any other way than you read it in a completely different way than I meant it.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of LucillaSent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:15 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

June wrote:

I am a atheist,

woaw....how do you feel being different...?

I left shortly after I signed on last time with a brief explanation. I come here to talk about breast cancer and get encouraging news about survival rates and how to deal with treatments on a medical level and scientific level and maybe get some insight. I don't mind if people say they want to pray or meditate or tell the pink goddess or the breast fairy for that matter. But please don't tell me I have to put myself right with god, be saved or get religion cause it ain't gonna happen and it's not something I want to hear now or ever.

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it.

I need support for my cancer and I don't feel supported or respected if people are going to come at me with things I don't believe in or care about.

........no need to be so rude, I think....and I insist

who is trying to persuade you that God is good? I didn't read any posts about it. I see respect toward you, and you being rude toward others.

You wrote you are an humanist. What happened to the respect to others belief ? what happend to "okay, I think different from you, but peace is my heart"..? what happen to "oh, yeah, you know, I am not a believer but thank you anyway for your concern, I admire your faith and I am glad it support you, I have my Darwin sticker on my car and I am happy with that "...?

Politly.

Because you quote peace, and stir war, lady.

What happened to your "understanding"...?

If that's a problem for everyone or the list owner fine, I'll try and bow out gracefully and find someplace else to go.

.....should we run for our lives...? woops.

If you go, tell me there so I will do my best not to meet you anymore. "Humanist", or whatever you meant by that.

Lu

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

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[Guest guest]

Okay then, let's start over. I have to say I was a bit offended by your response to Jill. I was just trying to be clear on what I needed from a support group and what I didn't want and meant no offense to others who believed otherwise. But sometimes people take offense to just someone being different than they are, like being gay or lesbian, or being Catholic or Jew, KWIM. The word atheist can really bring out some ugliness in some people. I know there are religious people who really dislike - even hate atheists and think we're evil. I promise you I am not evil, I'm just a human being who walks a different path. I just want a place to talk about my breast cancer and my up and coming treatments. I don't want to be told what I have to believe. I have a huge support group of mostly women and plenty of men ( my husband, my UU and my humanist community) and in my online community. But most of them are not going through breast cancer. My husband has had bladder cancer, a kidney removed, complete bladder removal and bladder reconstruction surgery, diagnosed 6 years ago, so he knows much of what I'm in for though they don't do chemo or radiation for bladder cancer. We've just gotten him healthy and WHAM!!! here I find a lump in my breast and 2 weeks later I'm going in for a mastectomy and then treatments to follow for 6 to 9 months.

I'll probably go no-mail on all my lists tonight. My surgery is in the morning, I'll be in the hospital until Sunday morning and I probably won't be up to reading or writing email for a few days afterward. It is not going to be radical, they'll remove the breast and some lymph nodes but no muscle or other tissue.

And to answer your question about how it feels to be different, I've always been different and it feels great!!! I think outside the box most of the time. Thing is, I'm not much different in my own community with the humanist group and UU. I fit right in there. On other fronts I'm a strong woman, a feminist and I can hold my own most of the time. That last part might get tougher as I go through the emotional end of this.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

I hear your point and I agree. E-mails are tricky.

Well, no offense taken here, and hope for you too.

x

Lu

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June,

I will keep good thoughts for you for your surgery tomorrow. Sorry to hear all your husband has been through.

Hugs

nne

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RE: RE: I'm back but maybe temporary.../ now I am afraid....

Okay then, let's start over. I have to say I was a bit offended by your response to Jill. I was just trying to be clear on what I needed from a support group and what I didn't want and meant no offense to others who believed otherwise. But sometimes people take offense to just someone being different than they are, like being gay or lesbian, or being Catholic or Jew, KWIM. The word atheist can really bring out some ugliness in some people. I know there are religious people who really dislike - even hate atheists and think we're evil. I promise you I am not evil, I'm just a human being who walks a different path. I just want a place to talk about my breast cancer and my up and coming treatments. I don't want to be told what I have to believe. I have a huge support group of mostly women and plenty of men ( my husband, my UU and my humanist community) and in my online community. But most of them are not going through breast cancer. My husband has had bladder cancer, a kidney removed, complete bladder removal and bladder reconstruction surgery, diagnosed 6 years ago, so he knows much of what I'm in for though they don't do chemo or radiation for bladder cancer. We've just gotten him healthy and WHAM!!! here I find a lump in my breast and 2 weeks later I'm going in for a mastectomy and then treatments to follow for 6 to 9 months.

I'll probably go no-mail on all my lists tonight. My surgery is in the morning, I'll be in the hospital until Sunday morning and I probably won't be up to reading or writing email for a few days afterward. It is not going to be radical, they'll remove the breast and some lymph nodes but no muscle or other tissue.

And to answer your question about how it feels to be different, I've always been different and it feels great!!! I think outside the box most of the time. Thing is, I'm not much different in my own community with the humanist group and UU. I fit right in there. On other fronts I'm a strong woman, a feminist and I can hold my own most of the time. That last part might get tougher as I go through the emotional end of this.

LICS June "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein

I hear your point and I agree. E-mails are tricky.

Well, no offense taken here, and hope for you too.

x

Lu