Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I would be so frustrated. I was frustrated after 6-7 months of him eating the same 5 things. I give you a lot of credit. We too took L-Carnitine and CoQ10 -- but it didn't seem to work. Then we tried the MRM and our kids started eating a lot. I think Toni also had the same result (kids ate more) from using the MRM. I am not sure WHY MRM works well (as opposed to doing it separately or another formula?) The Zinc monomethionine (I used to get my compounded now I just use the capsule and put it in pineapple juice) is the most bio-available to the body and therefore the uptake is fast. I am not sure why it took Jimmy 3 weeks to all the sudden eat 1 lb of broccoli (spontaneously one night at dinner) -- but after that, he has always tried new veggies. He ate 5 things for the first 6-7 months on the gf/cf/sf/corn free diet. SO this was huge for us. The other thing I did was I started juicing. Juicing (which I didn't know at the time) really helps with the uptake of nutrients, and gets the nutrients into the bloodstream faster. I was thinking - 'my kid likes to drink, so I will juice.' The reason is (which I didn't know or understand) is that when you remove the fiber and all you have left are the enzymes and nutrients, there isn't anything inhibiting the nutrients from getting into the blood stream. So, when you drink a juicer drink, the vitamins are in the blood stream within 10-30 minutes, vs when you take a vitamin it could take 2-3 hours. -- So I started adding the zinc (monomethione) to the juicer drink. laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old has been having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking himself in the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, etc... He also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten much sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal distress, but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast protocol, but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no change. Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help him? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...) But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?' I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has > > > > been > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > himself > > > in > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc... > > > He > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten > > much > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress, > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol, > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change. > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...) But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?' I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has > > > > been > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > himself > > > in > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc... > > > He > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten > > much > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress, > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol, > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change. > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Love the oxalate horn -- Toni! No need to duck and cover! :0 BTW - I did give the calcium (imagine that, had the kind you suggested!) to Jimmy before his drink at 6am this morning..and no redness on face...drank beet juice again - he asked for it. Singing Frosty the Snowman -- I am not sure where 'and the fire and the hole' comes in (I think think he supposed to be singing 'and two eyes made out of coal?' -- who knows just love to hear the voice!!) I drank a hot cocoa last night (it was cold and it sounded yummy) and SAM was up every 2 hours nursing. I'm exhausted! OXALATE HELL! Serves me right for not listening! Thought I could be sneaky...Sam knows though... I am back on the wagon...really, I need sleep! laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 > > year-old > > > > has > > > > > > been > > > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > > > himself > > > > > in > > > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > > > etc... > > > > > He > > > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's > > gotten > > > > much > > > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > > > distress, > > > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his > > yeast > > > > > > protocol, > > > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance > > for > > > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > > > change. > > > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to > > help > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Love the oxalate horn -- Toni! No need to duck and cover! :0 BTW - I did give the calcium (imagine that, had the kind you suggested!) to Jimmy before his drink at 6am this morning..and no redness on face...drank beet juice again - he asked for it. Singing Frosty the Snowman -- I am not sure where 'and the fire and the hole' comes in (I think think he supposed to be singing 'and two eyes made out of coal?' -- who knows just love to hear the voice!!) I drank a hot cocoa last night (it was cold and it sounded yummy) and SAM was up every 2 hours nursing. I'm exhausted! OXALATE HELL! Serves me right for not listening! Thought I could be sneaky...Sam knows though... I am back on the wagon...really, I need sleep! laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 > > year-old > > > > has > > > > > > been > > > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > > > himself > > > > > in > > > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > > > etc... > > > > > He > > > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's > > gotten > > > > much > > > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > > > distress, > > > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his > > yeast > > > > > > protocol, > > > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance > > for > > > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > > > change. > > > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to > > help > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Love the oxalate horn -- Toni! No need to duck and cover! :0 BTW - I did give the calcium (imagine that, had the kind you suggested!) to Jimmy before his drink at 6am this morning..and no redness on face...drank beet juice again - he asked for it. Singing Frosty the Snowman -- I am not sure where 'and the fire and the hole' comes in (I think think he supposed to be singing 'and two eyes made out of coal?' -- who knows just love to hear the voice!!) I drank a hot cocoa last night (it was cold and it sounded yummy) and SAM was up every 2 hours nursing. I'm exhausted! OXALATE HELL! Serves me right for not listening! Thought I could be sneaky...Sam knows though... I am back on the wagon...really, I need sleep! laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 > > year-old > > > > has > > > > > > been > > > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > > > himself > > > > > in > > > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > > > etc... > > > > > He > > > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's > > gotten > > > > much > > > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > > > distress, > > > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his > > yeast > > > > > > protocol, > > > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance > > for > > > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > > > change. > > > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to > > help > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will "deter" the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's "sucking up the oxalates", it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will "deter" the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's "sucking up the oxalates", it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will "deter" the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's "sucking up the oxalates", it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY) But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY) But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY) But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY) But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY) But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY) But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away. Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted. And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again... I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work... that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 know that cal can also contontribute to biofilms, so watch if you see negitive reactions or gut bacteria and yeast get worse or PANDAS get worse From: Toni Marie Lombardo Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:00 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the "kids flip out on calcium" front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY)But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will "deter" the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's "sucking up the oxalates", it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 know that cal can also contontribute to biofilms, so watch if you see negitive reactions or gut bacteria and yeast get worse or PANDAS get worse From: Toni Marie Lombardo Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:00 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the "kids flip out on calcium" front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY)But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will "deter" the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's "sucking up the oxalates", it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 know that cal can also contontribute to biofilms, so watch if you see negitive reactions or gut bacteria and yeast get worse or PANDAS get worse From: Toni Marie Lombardo Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:00 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the "kids flip out on calcium" front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY)But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will "deter" the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's "sucking up the oxalates", it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Who knows, maybe that is what conditions Dr. Woeller was meaning... he just said " under certain conditions " LOL but did relate it to inflammation... which we know my son has from those darned seizures he gets! know that cal can also contontribute to biofilms, so watch if you see negitive reactions or gut bacteria and yeast get worse or PANDAS get worse From: Toni Marie Lombardo Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:00 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY)But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Who knows, maybe that is what conditions Dr. Woeller was meaning... he just said " under certain conditions " LOL but did relate it to inflammation... which we know my son has from those darned seizures he gets! know that cal can also contontribute to biofilms, so watch if you see negitive reactions or gut bacteria and yeast get worse or PANDAS get worse From: Toni Marie Lombardo Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:00 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY)But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 According to Dr. Yasko, Calcium stimulates excitotoxin activity. So, low to normal range is ok especially if you have high glutamate. If natural sources of calcium like nettle,chammomile etc. do not bring the levels to normal range, she suggests to use a calcium supplement that also contains magnesium which prevents excitotoxin activity, and Vit D and K which ensure calcium transport within the body. These are all from the book. Hope it helps.. Who knows, maybe that is what conditions Dr. Woeller was meaning... he just said " under certain conditions " LOL but did relate it to inflammation... which we know my son has from those darned seizures he gets! know that cal can also contontribute to biofilms, so watch if you see negitive reactions or gut bacteria and yeast get worse or PANDAS get worse From: Toni Marie Lombardo Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:00 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? PS Dr. Woeller said that if you try calcium with your child, and they have a BAD time with it, it is ok to give them ibuprofen to see if that helps. In other words to see if it is an inflammatory response. He warns of course against giving ibuprofen long term in massive doses because that would destroy the kidneys!!! but says that if you have tried calcium with your child, and there is a bad response, and then you want to try it again to see if the child can handle it... and there is another bad response.... give the ibuprofen to see what happens. If your child's issues clear up after taking the ibu., then you have kinda figured out you have a child with some inflammatory issues... Oh I have new info on the " kids flip out on calcium " front.I had a phone consult with Dr. Woeller last week. He says that in some kids, if the setting is right, the calcium can cause an inflammatory response. NOT GOOD FOR OUR KIDS! :-( He did not go into details, I sense it was a lot of biochemical reaction stuff that he didn't want to explain in our short 15 min consult. It would be worth looking up for those who want to read up on it. (I fear it would make me more freakish, and right now my son is doing well on his calcium supp FINALLY)But in relation to oxalate, before meals, one should take calcium or magnesium (citrate seems to be the best form but some people cannot tolerate this form) to be there to bind with the oxalate.Perhaps the reason my son can finally handle calcium is he has dumped enough oxalate, I have no idea. But he now takes 2000 mg in the am right before his Respen-A and sometimes even more thru the day for meals. Toni, so magnesium, calcium and zinc are good for oxylate issues as it will " deter " the oxylates from settling into cells?? It might be interesting to consider whether or not these kids could use larger doses of these minerals so there's plenty to go 'round for the oxalate issues plus all the functions that also require them?? Which also makes me wonder if that's why some kids flip out on calcium? ... if it's " sucking up the oxalates " , it could be a reaction. Does that make sense? -Tammy To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:41:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: What's Going On? and I communicate off list. So will have to email me and beat me up for tooting my Low Oxalate horn again. :-DBUT part of the reason the kids need extra nutrition (ie minerals) is these minerals are bound to oxalate and carried away.Since oxalate is so content to either be absorbed into our cells OR be bound bound to magnesium, calcium, and zinc, our leaky gut kids will continue to require supplements for these minerals until the leaky gut is healed or the diet is adjusted.And don't think I am perfect here because 1-I ate some damned wheat yesterday wreaking havoc on my gut and 2-I do not supplement my own zinc and good grief, I should be!!! Ay yi yi! AND 3-I stay up till all hours just like my ASD child would without melatonin, and I refuse to take it myself. Gaaah. :-) For her, it did. OR by clearing up her yeast issues, she was able to get better nutrients -- I think sometimes it's a question of the chicken and the egg. (I am not sure which came first...)But once she was on the Syntol/Candex -- it was the difference of night and day -- for speech. At the time, I knew she knew her alphabet (18 months) and she could point correctly and say the letters (numbers and colors) when asked. (We thought she was a genius!) So when she started to have issues around 2 and her speech declined rapidly, and she started signing again, we knew something was up. I had tried the protocol (that I used on my son) and she was SO miserable, and she didn't like the taste and getting her to take it was hell. Her rashes were out of control (behind her knees, in her armpits, in the creases of her wrist, and in the creases of her neck even) -- and this protocol (which is really easy and easy to take/hide) reeled her in. Her speech came back, and although I was still tacking other things, it became very clear that she was nutritionally deficient in a lot of areas. (WHY!!!) That took some time to figure out, but Jimmy's bioavailable vitamin worked wonders again...I cannot FIGURE OUT why my kids seem to need SO much nutrition or why they seem to burn it up so quickly...I mean, I don't feed my kids crap and they eat really well...they take vitamins, etc. And yet, if I divert from the diet/vitamins/etc. They become train wrecks quickly. ugh...I keep reading trying to find that elusive 'thing' that is going to make me understand all of us, and yet, the more I read, the more questions I have. The more I read, the same things seem to pop up over and over again...and it seems so simple, yet so difficult to attain. ..and I'm not afraid to take things out, put things in, try new stuff, etc. -- and it's a LOT of work...that being said, I haven't seen a rash, she has been wonderful and in a good mood for a period of time now, I am getting used to it...and then I think -- 'when's the other shoe going to drop?'I know I am preaching to the choir, but GEEZ -- can I get a break here? > > > > > >> > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > has> > > > been> > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > himself> > > in> > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > etc...> > > He> > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > much> > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > distress,> > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet> > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > protocol,> > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > change.> > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > him?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 OMG! My son has been so spacey since I started Calcium again. I ditched it b/c it made him so constipated. But restarted it b/c Dan recommended it. Anyway, I assumed it was b/c he had time off from xmas break that was causing these terrible transitions. He is using the interfase biofilm stuff from Klaires, and we are on candex and enhansa and ole, oregon grape, pau d'arco etc. Anyway, thought it could be the Calcium but just wasn't sure, now I am sure. What calcium supp has worked for your sensitive kids? Thanks! Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > > himself > > > > in > > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > > etc... > > > > He > > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten > > > much > > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > > distress, > > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > > protocol, > > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for > > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > > change. > > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 OMG! My son has been so spacey since I started Calcium again. I ditched it b/c it made him so constipated. But restarted it b/c Dan recommended it. Anyway, I assumed it was b/c he had time off from xmas break that was causing these terrible transitions. He is using the interfase biofilm stuff from Klaires, and we are on candex and enhansa and ole, oregon grape, pau d'arco etc. Anyway, thought it could be the Calcium but just wasn't sure, now I am sure. What calcium supp has worked for your sensitive kids? Thanks! Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking > > > himself > > > > in > > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing, > > > etc... > > > > He > > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten > > > much > > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal > > > > > distress, > > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream " diet > > > > > > infraction!!! " , but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast > > > > > protocol, > > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for > > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no > > > change. > > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 we havne;t had good luck in years before the big biofilm crazy, it makes him really aggressive. but I have had luck in small doses like in hemp milk that is fortified and with the multimineral of kirkamans From: jujugirl1971 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:52 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: What's Going On? OMG! My son has been so spacey since I started Calcium again. I ditched it b/c it made him so constipated. But restarted it b/c Dan recommended it. Anyway, I assumed it was b/c he had time off from xmas break that was causing these terrible transitions. He is using the interfase biofilm stuff from Klaires, and we are on candex and enhansa and ole, oregon grape, pau d'arco etc. Anyway, thought it could be the Calcium but just wasn't sure, now I am sure. What calcium supp has worked for your sensitive kids? Thanks! Judy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > > has> > > > > been> > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > > himself> > > > in> > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > > etc...> > > > He> > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > > much> > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > > distress,> > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > > protocol,> > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > > change.> > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > > him?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> > > > > > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> > > > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 we havne;t had good luck in years before the big biofilm crazy, it makes him really aggressive. but I have had luck in small doses like in hemp milk that is fortified and with the multimineral of kirkamans From: jujugirl1971 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:52 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: What's Going On? OMG! My son has been so spacey since I started Calcium again. I ditched it b/c it made him so constipated. But restarted it b/c Dan recommended it. Anyway, I assumed it was b/c he had time off from xmas break that was causing these terrible transitions. He is using the interfase biofilm stuff from Klaires, and we are on candex and enhansa and ole, oregon grape, pau d'arco etc. Anyway, thought it could be the Calcium but just wasn't sure, now I am sure. What calcium supp has worked for your sensitive kids? Thanks! Judy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I really need some help, here. Since Friday, my almost-5 year-old> > > has> > > > > been> > > > > > having such a difficult time. He's been head-banging, smacking> > > himself> > > > in> > > > > > the face HARD, pinching, scratching, biting, crying, posturing,> > > etc...> > > > He> > > > > > also had red cheeks and ears and allergic shiners. No one's gotten> > > much> > > > > > sleep since Thursday night. It seems clear that he's in abdominal> > > > > distress,> > > > > > but we can't figure out the cause. It also seems to scream "diet> > > > > > infraction!!!", but I know his diet is clean. I've upped his yeast> > > > > protocol,> > > > > > but nothing has improved. Could he have developed an intolerance for> > > > > > something new? I'm taking out rice, too, but am still seeing no> > > change.> > > > > > Maybe it's corn... ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what else I can do to help> > > him?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> > > > > > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> > > > > -- > Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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