Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 By no means am I being demeaning, but obviously you have never been in negotiations with a company that has a problem in negotiating. There are legal ways to make a negotiation happen. wrote:Texas just passed legislation allowing what is call Meet and Greet. Simply put, it is a process of non-binding collective bargaining wheras the union is allowed to sit in on meetings with city officials and department officials. Nothing is binding unless all parties agree. However, like collective bargaining, there is still give and take! I still see no leverage on the part of the unions. Danny wrote:Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement. Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Pretty sad times when you have to resort to lawyers in order to negotiate! Nobody trusts anyone anymore! Danny wrote:By no means am I being demeaning, but obviously you have never been in negotiations with a company that has a problem in negotiating. There are legal ways to make a negotiation happen. wrote:Texas just passed legislation allowing what is call Meet and Greet. Simply put, it is a process of non-binding collective bargaining wheras the union is allowed to sit in on meetings with city officials and department officials. Nothing is binding unless all parties agree. However, like collective bargaining, there is still give and take! I still see no leverage on the part of the unions. Danny wrote:Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement. Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I said nothing about attorneys being anywhere present. But it is sad when you can't negotiate. Most large companies do have their attorneys do the negotiating though. wrote: Pretty sad times when you have to resort to lawyers in order to negotiate! Nobody trusts anyone anymore! Danny wrote:By no means am I being demeaning, but obviously you have never been in negotiations with a company that has a problem in negotiating. There are legal ways to make a negotiation happen. wrote:Texas just passed legislation allowing what is call Meet and Greet. Simply put, it is a process of non-binding collective bargaining wheras the union is allowed to sit in on meetings with city officials and department officials. Nothing is binding unless all parties agree. However, like collective bargaining, there is still give and take! I still see no leverage on the part of the unions. Danny wrote:Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement. Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I said nothing about attorneys being anywhere present. But it is sad when you can't negotiate. Most large companies do have their attorneys do the negotiating though. wrote: Pretty sad times when you have to resort to lawyers in order to negotiate! Nobody trusts anyone anymore! Danny wrote:By no means am I being demeaning, but obviously you have never been in negotiations with a company that has a problem in negotiating. There are legal ways to make a negotiation happen. wrote:Texas just passed legislation allowing what is call Meet and Greet. Simply put, it is a process of non-binding collective bargaining wheras the union is allowed to sit in on meetings with city officials and department officials. Nothing is binding unless all parties agree. However, like collective bargaining, there is still give and take! I still see no leverage on the part of the unions. Danny wrote:Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement. Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office Fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Actually it is called " Meet and Confer " Lee Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Actually it is called " Meet and Confer " Lee Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Actually it is called " Meet and Confer " Lee Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I think meet and greet is when you get a backstage pass to a rock concert !!! Jim davis This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Baylor Grapevine EMS Medical control or Baylor Health Care System or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone (817)329-4015. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. B. , AAS, LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Direct Line Fax Cell Pager Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I think meet and greet is when you get a backstage pass to a rock concert !!! Jim davis This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Baylor Grapevine EMS Medical control or Baylor Health Care System or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone (817)329-4015. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. B. , AAS, LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Direct Line Fax Cell Pager Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I think meet and greet is when you get a backstage pass to a rock concert !!! Jim davis This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Baylor Grapevine EMS Medical control or Baylor Health Care System or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone (817)329-4015. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. B. , AAS, LP Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine EMS Educator Baylor EMS Medical Control 1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10 Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300 Office Direct Line Fax Cell Pager Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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