Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 -- franklin wrote: Can you be terminated for trying to organize? No, that is against the law. But, if you are suspected of being involved, you better not be a second late! As you mention, Texas is a right to work state. " Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous Larry in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 -- franklin wrote: Can you be terminated for trying to organize? No, that is against the law. But, if you are suspected of being involved, you better not be a second late! As you mention, Texas is a right to work state. " Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous Larry in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 The IAFF is not an association it is a union. Associations and unions are VERY much different animals. There are EMT's and Medics all over the US that are members of all sorts of unions. When I was working in Philadelphia for a private firm I was a member of the teamsters and for another company in PA I was a Member of a healthcare workers union and once in NJ I was a Member of a Civil Service Union that represented all County Employees. Associations like NAEMT, EMSAT and NAEMSE and EMSEAT and the like also " represent " the interests of their Members but not in the sense of collective bargaining which is the purpose of a union. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 In a message dated 9/29/2005 10:43:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, paramedictexas@... writes: Thank you your reply, Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they created a union? I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a city or county service but are not a private either. Can private services force a company into collective bargaining? Thanks All questions for an attorney that was familiar with federal and state labor issues I would think? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 In a message dated 9/29/2005 10:43:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, paramedictexas@... writes: Thank you your reply, Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they created a union? I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a city or county service but are not a private either. Can private services force a company into collective bargaining? Thanks All questions for an attorney that was familiar with federal and state labor issues I would think? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Collective bargaining is available in texas for cities with populations over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for cities over 10,000. Hope this helps. Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Collective bargaining is available in texas for cities with populations over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for cities over 10,000. Hope this helps. Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thank you your reply, Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they created a union? I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a city or county service but are not a private either. Can private services force a company into collective bargaining? Thanks " Lemming, Steve " wrote: Collective bargaining is available in Texas for cities with populations over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for cities over 10,000. Hope this helps. Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thank you your reply, Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they created a union? I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a city or county service but are not a private either. Can private services force a company into collective bargaining? Thanks " Lemming, Steve " wrote: Collective bargaining is available in Texas for cities with populations over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for cities over 10,000. Hope this helps. Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 In a message dated 29-Sep-05 10:50:46 Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Odd...the folks from the State, County and Municipal Employees Union (which represents many of the folks at the Charity and University hospitals here in Louisiana, but not the resident doctors or supervisory nurses) might be interested in talking to the folks in the 'semi privates' there in Texas... ck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 In a message dated 29-Sep-05 10:50:46 Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Odd...the folks from the State, County and Municipal Employees Union (which represents many of the folks at the Charity and University hospitals here in Louisiana, but not the resident doctors or supervisory nurses) might be interested in talking to the folks in the 'semi privates' there in Texas... ck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I will have to pull up my literature from when I was a local union president. I researched the information on my own. Numerous discussions with other presidents all over the country. It is in the statutes. Now that doesn't mean you won't have a problem in organizing. It just means you can do it. ExLngHrn@... wrote:Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I will have to pull up my literature from when I was a local union president. I researched the information on my own. Numerous discussions with other presidents all over the country. It is in the statutes. Now that doesn't mean you won't have a problem in organizing. It just means you can do it. ExLngHrn@... wrote:Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I was referring to government employees. The only municipal government employees with collective bargaining rights in Texas are city police and the city fire department. County and state employees don't have these bargaining rights. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 K ExLngHrn@... wrote:I was referring to government employees. The only municipal government employees with collective bargaining rights in Texas are city police and the city fire department. County and state employees don't have these bargaining rights. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 K ExLngHrn@... wrote:I was referring to government employees. The only municipal government employees with collective bargaining rights in Texas are city police and the city fire department. County and state employees don't have these bargaining rights. -Wes Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 And because of that right to collective bargaining, they do not have the right to strike. Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 And because of that right to collective bargaining, they do not have the right to strike. Associations? It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of Fire Fighters). Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations? What does organizing with these associations bring to those who are members? Can you be terminated for trying to organize? Is there a difference when trying to organize between working for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service? With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases, etc.? Thank you, --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Danny Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:11 PM To: Subject: Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement. Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Danny Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:11 PM To: Subject: Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Texas just passed legislation allowing what is call Meet and Greet. Simply put, it is a process of non-binding collective bargaining wheras the union is allowed to sit in on meetings with city officials and department officials. Nothing is binding unless all parties agree. However, like collective bargaining, there is still give and take! I still see no leverage on the part of the unions. Danny wrote:Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement. Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially. Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot be compulsory for employment). Mike _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Danny Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:11 PM To: Subject: Re: Associations? Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective bargaining. ExLngHrn@... wrote: The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal police officers and fire fighters. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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