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-- franklin wrote:

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

No, that is against the law. But, if you are suspected of being involved, you

better not be a second late! As you mention, Texas is a right to work state.

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-- franklin wrote:

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

No, that is against the law. But, if you are suspected of being involved, you

better not be a second late! As you mention, Texas is a right to work state.

" Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is

love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous

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The IAFF is not an association it is a union. Associations and unions are

VERY much different animals. There are EMT's and Medics all over the US that are

members of all sorts of unions. When I was working in Philadelphia for a

private firm I was a member of the teamsters and for another company in PA I

was

a Member of a healthcare workers union and once in NJ I was a Member of a

Civil Service Union that represented all County Employees.

Associations like NAEMT, EMSAT and NAEMSE and EMSEAT and the like also

" represent " the interests of their Members but not in the sense of collective

bargaining which is the purpose of a union.

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In a message dated 9/29/2005 10:43:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

paramedictexas@... writes:

Thank you your reply,

Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they

created a union?

I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a

city or county service but are not a private either. Can private services

force a company into collective bargaining?

Thanks

All questions for an attorney that was familiar with federal and state labor

issues I would think?

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In a message dated 9/29/2005 10:43:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

paramedictexas@... writes:

Thank you your reply,

Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they

created a union?

I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a

city or county service but are not a private either. Can private services

force a company into collective bargaining?

Thanks

All questions for an attorney that was familiar with federal and state labor

issues I would think?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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Collective bargaining is available in texas for cities with populations

over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for

cities over 10,000.

Hope this helps.

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

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Collective bargaining is available in texas for cities with populations

over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for

cities over 10,000.

Hope this helps.

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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Thank you your reply,

Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they

created a union?

I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a city

or county service but are not a private either. Can private services force a

company into collective bargaining?

Thanks

" Lemming, Steve " wrote:

Collective bargaining is available in Texas for cities with populations

over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for

cities over 10,000.

Hope this helps.

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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Thank you your reply,

Would the employees of Medstar be eligible for Collective bargaining if they

created a union?

I am not sure what you would call there form of government, they are not a city

or county service but are not a private either. Can private services force a

company into collective bargaining?

Thanks

" Lemming, Steve " wrote:

Collective bargaining is available in Texas for cities with populations

over 50,000. Civil service, put in place by election is available for

cities over 10,000.

Hope this helps.

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal

police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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In a message dated 29-Sep-05 10:50:46 Central Daylight Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are

municipal police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

Odd...the folks from the State, County and Municipal Employees Union (which

represents many of the folks at the Charity and University hospitals here in

Louisiana, but not the resident doctors or supervisory nurses) might be

interested in talking to the folks in the 'semi privates' there in Texas...

ck

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In a message dated 29-Sep-05 10:50:46 Central Daylight Time,

ExLngHrn@... writes:

The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are

municipal police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

Odd...the folks from the State, County and Municipal Employees Union (which

represents many of the folks at the Charity and University hospitals here in

Louisiana, but not the resident doctors or supervisory nurses) might be

interested in talking to the folks in the 'semi privates' there in Texas...

ck

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Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective

bargaining.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are municipal

police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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I will have to pull up my literature from when I was a local union president. I

researched the information on my own. Numerous discussions with other

presidents all over the country. It is in the statutes. Now that doesn't mean

you won't have a problem in organizing. It just means you can do it.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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I will have to pull up my literature from when I was a local union president. I

researched the information on my own. Numerous discussions with other

presidents all over the country. It is in the statutes. Now that doesn't mean

you won't have a problem in organizing. It just means you can do it.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:Danny -- give me a statutory cite, please.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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I was referring to government employees. The only municipal government employees

with collective bargaining rights in Texas are city police and the city fire

department. County and state employees don't have these bargaining rights.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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K

ExLngHrn@... wrote:I was referring to government employees. The only

municipal government employees with collective bargaining rights in Texas are

city police and the city fire department. County and state employees don't have

these bargaining rights.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

---------------------------------

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K

ExLngHrn@... wrote:I was referring to government employees. The only

municipal government employees with collective bargaining rights in Texas are

city police and the city fire department. County and state employees don't have

these bargaining rights.

-Wes

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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And because of that right to collective bargaining, they do not have the

right to strike.

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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And because of that right to collective bargaining, they do not have the

right to strike.

Associations?

It seems that most large and a fair amount of small fire

departments have associations such as IAFF(International Association of

Fire Fighters).

Why don't more EMS only services organize with associations?

What does organizing with these associations bring to those who

are members?

Can you be terminated for trying to organize?

Is there a difference when trying to organize between working

for a private, county, PUM, 3rd city service?

With Texas being a right to work state, what kind of power does

an organized workforce have in getting a work rules changed, such as

arbitration or appeal process before termination, pay wage increases,

etc.?

Thank you,

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Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has to agree to enter into a

collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially.

Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot

be compulsory for employment).

Mike

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Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:11 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Associations?

Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective

bargaining.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are

municipal police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

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Although union membership is not compulsory, there are penalties if either

party (union or company) is found in violation of failing to deal at the

bargaining table. There are ways to accomplish an agreement.

Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has

to agree to enter into a

collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially.

Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot

be compulsory for employment).

Mike

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:11 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Associations?

Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective

bargaining.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are

municipal police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

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Texas just passed legislation allowing what is call Meet and Greet. Simply put,

it is a process of non-binding collective bargaining wheras the union is allowed

to sit in on meetings with city officials and department officials. Nothing is

binding unless all parties agree. However, like collective bargaining, there is

still give and take! I still see no leverage on the part of the unions.

Danny wrote:Although union membership is not

compulsory, there are penalties if either party (union or company) is found in

violation of failing to deal at the bargaining table. There are ways to

accomplish an agreement.

Mike wrote:Not in Texas. Unfortunately, the employer has

to agree to enter into a

collective bargaining agreement after it recognizes the union officially.

Texas is a Right-To-Work State (that means that membership in a union cannot

be compulsory for employment).

Mike

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Danny

Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:11 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Associations?

Any group that has the ability and forms a union is eligible for collective

bargaining.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

The only government employees eligible for collective bargaining are

municipal police officers and fire fighters.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT

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