Re: Autoimmune or attacking stealth pathogens?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This is a wonderful exchange and thank you Geoff for all your work here. It

occurs to me that if we are talking histamine response, the Japanese

isolated a product that stimulates the liver to produce its own

antihistamine. Standard Process Labs sells that: Antronex. I use it for

allergic responses and it is very effective. Usually naturopaths, chiros

and some acupuncturists can order this if anyone wants to test it.

felicidades, Felicia

" The body has its own way of knowing, a knowing that has little

to do with logic, and much to do with truth; little to do with control,

and much to do with acceptance; little to do with division, and

much to do with union. " Marilyn Sewell

[Guest guest]

.. It

> occurs to me that if we are talking histamine response, the Japanese

> isolated a product that stimulates the liver to produce its own

> antihistamine.

We haven't talked much about that lately. I remember a discussion way back

when we were talking about how Dr. Brown sometimes used an antihistamine for

his patients. I tried a couple and could not tell if it made a difference.

Is anyone using one now? Do any of our AP doctors advise using one?

I've never heard of what you mentioned, Felicia, do you have any more info

on it? I'll see what I can find online. Liz G.

[Guest guest]

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:11:03 -0800

From: " Liz G. " <pioneer@...>

Subject: Re: Autoimmune or attacking stealth pathogens? (was Re: Fw:

" Reprogramming the Immune System " -- Article from MSNBC.com)

>> So we have two schools of thought:

>> A competent immune system fighting an overwhelming and hidden

>> pathogen; and

>> A confused immune system killing the host.

> I didn't believe in autoimmunity either, until I read & reread the

work of

> Dr. Nicolson and Dr. Ebringer and realized these brilliant men were

saying

> it isn't either/or, it's both.

I think the " new schools of thought " are running more toward an

impending chasm between:

1. A damaged and thus errant immune system

(see environmental concerns, etc.)

2. A competent immune system attacking what has already been

dealt with artificially and failing to balance for that

(we killed it, it finds the waste and kills it again - sounds

like the Army) ;D

3. An immune system run amok, corn-fused and stupid.

(Why aren't my eye disolving??? Maybe they are!!!) and

4. A competent immune system working to achieve a balance

of the whole body at the most exterior and non-threatening

position possible (i.e., better a skin rash than a heart

cyst)

> PS it's at times like this, when I *really* miss Dr. Chiu.

> I'd love to hear what he has to say about it.

Me too. Perhaps we need to send him some chocolates.

Regards, -----------------------

Geoff ** Usual Disclaimers **

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[Guest guest]

Hi Felicia! Geoff Crenshaw here.

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:27:00 -0700

From: " Felicia Noelle Trujillo " <BackRescue@...>

Subject: Re: Autoimmune or attacking stealth pathogens?

>> Hi,

This is a wonderful exchange and thank you Geoff for all your work here.

It occurs to me that if we are talking histamine response, the Japanese

isolated a product that stimulates the liver to produce its own

antihistamine. Standard Process Labs sells that: Antronex. I use it

for allergic responses and it is very effective. Usually naturopaths,

chiros and some acupuncturists can order this if anyone wants to test

it. felicidades, Felicia <<

The concept of limiting the body response to ridding itself of a minor

proteinaceous substance to which it is allergic is quite interesting to

me. We, as a population, think absolutely nothing of grabbing an

antihistamine and popping it down, without ever considering the

consequences. Not just the consequences of the drug, OTC or Rx, but in

reality the more serious long-term consequence of forcing our body to be

internally exposed to an agent it is trying with all its vigor to rid

itself of.

Oh the exchanges we make... " Let me live in the city and breath the air,

for life I do not crave as much as convenience, amenities and the

trappings of population. I care not to live 80 or 90 or 100 years or

more - no 50 or 60 is

fine, fun is what counts. After all, I am but 23 and have all my life

before me. "

" Oh you silly child, I made the same decision as you at 23 and now I'm

63 and death looms at my door. What I would not give for 1, 5, 10 years

or more. "

It's amazing how we can drive cars when we can't see past the ends of

our noses.

Regards, -----------------------

Geoff ** Usual Disclaimers **

-----------------------

How can you have hope?

Get under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

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