Re: Too High Temps, Hot Flashes, and Panic Attacks During Luteal Phase

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HC is short for Hydrocortisone. It is used to replace cortisol in

adrenal fatigue which i very common in hypothyroid patients.

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This is interesting, Val. I don't know why my PG is suddenly at the upper end of

lab range without any supplementation. I do take DHEA and 7-Keto but that

shouldn't turn into PG.

At any rate, something is definitely going on with me because I've had this high

temp thing and anxiety last month during my luteal phase as well. And it does

feel like thyroid dumps with getting so hot and nervous. I wonder if I lowered

HC too fast and then when my PG gets high in the luteal phase, I get a thyroid

dump from PG converting into HC? One day, I lowered my t3 in half and my temps

went even higher which seems to me my body had enough cortisol to finally put

the t3 into my cells.

Do you know what would cause this AWFUL depression, though? My temps right now

indicate a tad hypo (averages of around 98.3 now that the " hot phase " is over.)

Is depression possible from weaning HC?

Thanks,

Kathleen

>

> Progesterone is a precursor to cortils and aldosterone so GOOD levels of

> it ar3e important, BUT it can alos MIMICK cortils and thus bind ot it;s

> receptors creating a form of cortisol resistance. Thsi si particularly

> common when progesterone is too high which often happens wiht long term

> use of creams supplements, especially if you lose weight! When you lose

> weight many hormone excesses and especially estrogne and progesterine

> are stored in the fat and as it is released, so are those excess

> hormoens. I have had issues w2iht excess progesterone several times

> after using creams and then even a year later losing weight. I think

> progesterone si best supplemented orally for this reason.

>

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

This is interesting, Val. I don't know why my PG is suddenly at the upper end of

lab range without any supplementation. I do take DHEA and 7-Keto but that

shouldn't turn into PG.

At any rate, something is definitely going on with me because I've had this high

temp thing and anxiety last month during my luteal phase as well. And it does

feel like thyroid dumps with getting so hot and nervous. I wonder if I lowered

HC too fast and then when my PG gets high in the luteal phase, I get a thyroid

dump from PG converting into HC? One day, I lowered my t3 in half and my temps

went even higher which seems to me my body had enough cortisol to finally put

the t3 into my cells.

Do you know what would cause this AWFUL depression, though? My temps right now

indicate a tad hypo (averages of around 98.3 now that the " hot phase " is over.)

Is depression possible from weaning HC?

Thanks,

Kathleen

>

> Progesterone is a precursor to cortils and aldosterone so GOOD levels of

> it ar3e important, BUT it can alos MIMICK cortils and thus bind ot it;s

> receptors creating a form of cortisol resistance. Thsi si particularly

> common when progesterone is too high which often happens wiht long term

> use of creams supplements, especially if you lose weight! When you lose

> weight many hormone excesses and especially estrogne and progesterine

> are stored in the fat and as it is released, so are those excess

> hormoens. I have had issues w2iht excess progesterone several times

> after using creams and then even a year later losing weight. I think

> progesterone si best supplemented orally for this reason.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing, .

I just replied to Val and addressed some of what you wrote below. I agree with

what you're saying.

This has happened two months in a row now, although this month was the worst and

I do think I have weaned HC too fast, which likely makes me a prime candidate

for the extra PG to turn into cortisol and dump thyroid into my cells!

One doc a long time ago had me on 200 mg TRANSDERMAL PG!! LEt me tell you,that

was not good! I don't know if it turned into extra cortisol or blocked the

cortisol receptors, but I was sweating (not necessarily feeling hot, but

sweating). My slippers were always wet because my feet were sweating so much and

I had terrible panic attacks. So maybe that was a thyroid dump, too, not sure!

My chills don't usually have anything to do with feeling cold really. It's sort

of hard to explain, but I don't get them all the time and I mostly get them at

night when I do, so I thought it might be low estrogen. I am going to pay more

attention this month to when they start up.

HC tanked my DHEA and testo, too, but I've been supplementing both for several

months now. The DHEA seemed to make my estrogen go up, too, as I started to

experience signs of estrogen dominance (swollen breasts mostly) that went away

when I lowered DHEA and added 7-Keto instead. I was also getting migranes which

I'd NEVER had before and I think that can be related to monthly estrogen levels,

too.

I'm glad you are doing well. I have a super hard time telling if I need more t3

or not because of the high temp issues. I also think I have latent infections

(had active EBV last winter) that is making my temps look falsely high. GRHH.

Kathleen

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I've had some very odd (and scary) symptoms the past few months. During the

> > luteal phase of my cycle, my temps go up (which is normal for me) to around

> > 99.0, but now I'm having really high temps at this time -- like waking with

> > a basal temp of 99.1 and temps of 99.6 during the day. I feel feverish all

> > the time (not sure if this is a hot flash or not as I don't get flushes) and

> > I also have chills. The chills just happen mostly at night and do NOT happen

> > after I feel feverish. They seems to be separate events.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing, .

I just replied to Val and addressed some of what you wrote below. I agree with

what you're saying.

This has happened two months in a row now, although this month was the worst and

I do think I have weaned HC too fast, which likely makes me a prime candidate

for the extra PG to turn into cortisol and dump thyroid into my cells!

One doc a long time ago had me on 200 mg TRANSDERMAL PG!! LEt me tell you,that

was not good! I don't know if it turned into extra cortisol or blocked the

cortisol receptors, but I was sweating (not necessarily feeling hot, but

sweating). My slippers were always wet because my feet were sweating so much and

I had terrible panic attacks. So maybe that was a thyroid dump, too, not sure!

My chills don't usually have anything to do with feeling cold really. It's sort

of hard to explain, but I don't get them all the time and I mostly get them at

night when I do, so I thought it might be low estrogen. I am going to pay more

attention this month to when they start up.

HC tanked my DHEA and testo, too, but I've been supplementing both for several

months now. The DHEA seemed to make my estrogen go up, too, as I started to

experience signs of estrogen dominance (swollen breasts mostly) that went away

when I lowered DHEA and added 7-Keto instead. I was also getting migranes which

I'd NEVER had before and I think that can be related to monthly estrogen levels,

too.

I'm glad you are doing well. I have a super hard time telling if I need more t3

or not because of the high temp issues. I also think I have latent infections

(had active EBV last winter) that is making my temps look falsely high. GRHH.

Kathleen

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I've had some very odd (and scary) symptoms the past few months. During the

> > luteal phase of my cycle, my temps go up (which is normal for me) to around

> > 99.0, but now I'm having really high temps at this time -- like waking with

> > a basal temp of 99.1 and temps of 99.6 during the day. I feel feverish all

> > the time (not sure if this is a hot flash or not as I don't get flushes) and

> > I also have chills. The chills just happen mostly at night and do NOT happen

> > after I feel feverish. They seems to be separate events.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing, .

I just replied to Val and addressed some of what you wrote below. I agree with

what you're saying.

This has happened two months in a row now, although this month was the worst and

I do think I have weaned HC too fast, which likely makes me a prime candidate

for the extra PG to turn into cortisol and dump thyroid into my cells!

One doc a long time ago had me on 200 mg TRANSDERMAL PG!! LEt me tell you,that

was not good! I don't know if it turned into extra cortisol or blocked the

cortisol receptors, but I was sweating (not necessarily feeling hot, but

sweating). My slippers were always wet because my feet were sweating so much and

I had terrible panic attacks. So maybe that was a thyroid dump, too, not sure!

My chills don't usually have anything to do with feeling cold really. It's sort

of hard to explain, but I don't get them all the time and I mostly get them at

night when I do, so I thought it might be low estrogen. I am going to pay more

attention this month to when they start up.

HC tanked my DHEA and testo, too, but I've been supplementing both for several

months now. The DHEA seemed to make my estrogen go up, too, as I started to

experience signs of estrogen dominance (swollen breasts mostly) that went away

when I lowered DHEA and added 7-Keto instead. I was also getting migranes which

I'd NEVER had before and I think that can be related to monthly estrogen levels,

too.

I'm glad you are doing well. I have a super hard time telling if I need more t3

or not because of the high temp issues. I also think I have latent infections

(had active EBV last winter) that is making my temps look falsely high. GRHH.

Kathleen

>

> > Hello,

> >

> > I've had some very odd (and scary) symptoms the past few months. During the

> > luteal phase of my cycle, my temps go up (which is normal for me) to around

> > 99.0, but now I'm having really high temps at this time -- like waking with

> > a basal temp of 99.1 and temps of 99.6 during the day. I feel feverish all

> > the time (not sure if this is a hot flash or not as I don't get flushes) and

> > I also have chills. The chills just happen mostly at night and do NOT happen

> > after I feel feverish. They seems to be separate events.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

maybe less of your Pregnenolone is needed for DHEA now so more converts

to progesterone. Either way it being high is a problem. I would stop

DHEA as it is a known problem child when adrenals are not perfectly

functional.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

maybe less of your Pregnenolone is needed for DHEA now so more converts

to progesterone. Either way it being high is a problem. I would stop

DHEA as it is a known problem child when adrenals are not perfectly

functional.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp

A good diagram of the steroid pathways

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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[Guest guest]

http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp

A good diagram of the steroid pathways

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp

A good diagram of the steroid pathways

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Val. I have never been sure why we aren't supposed to take DHEA if our

adrenals are still weak as the research I did said there is no feedback

mechanism for it and thus it doesn't shut down our adrenals, so I wasn't sure

why it would lower cortisol. My doctor put me on it because I was developing

osteoporosis, but I am also taking testo compounded gel, too.

Kathleen

>

> maybe less of your Pregnenolone is needed for DHEA now so more converts

> to progesterone. Either way it being high is a problem. I would stop

> DHEA as it is a known problem child when adrenals are not perfectly

> functional.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Val. I have never been sure why we aren't supposed to take DHEA if our

adrenals are still weak as the research I did said there is no feedback

mechanism for it and thus it doesn't shut down our adrenals, so I wasn't sure

why it would lower cortisol. My doctor put me on it because I was developing

osteoporosis, but I am also taking testo compounded gel, too.

Kathleen

>

> maybe less of your Pregnenolone is needed for DHEA now so more converts

> to progesterone. Either way it being high is a problem. I would stop

> DHEA as it is a known problem child when adrenals are not perfectly

> functional.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Val. I have never been sure why we aren't supposed to take DHEA if our

adrenals are still weak as the research I did said there is no feedback

mechanism for it and thus it doesn't shut down our adrenals, so I wasn't sure

why it would lower cortisol. My doctor put me on it because I was developing

osteoporosis, but I am also taking testo compounded gel, too.

Kathleen

>

> maybe less of your Pregnenolone is needed for DHEA now so more converts

> to progesterone. Either way it being high is a problem. I would stop

> DHEA as it is a known problem child when adrenals are not perfectly

> functional.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

It is like estrogen and progesterone DHEA adn cortils counbter balance

each other. When one goe s up it pushes the other down. Keeoiugn

estrogen and testisterone at oeak of their ranges willhelp the Osteo

more than DHEA will. Whe n adrenals are not workign perfect DHEA does

nto convert as it should to the right sex hormoens either. It tends to

cause acne long before test is high enough for instance.

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what does it mean when dhea and cortisol are low?

Subject: Re: Re: Too High Temps, Hot Flashes, and Panic Attacks During Luteal PhaseTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 4:19 PM

It is like estrogen and progesterone DHEA adn cortils counbter balance each other. When one goe s up it pushes the other down. Keeoiugn estrogen and testisterone at oeak of their ranges willhelp the Osteo more than DHEA will. Whe n adrenals are not workign perfect DHEA does nto convert as it should to the right sex hormoens either. It tends to cause acne long before test is high enough for instance.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/------------------------------------

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what does it mean when dhea and cortisol are low?

Subject: Re: Re: Too High Temps, Hot Flashes, and Panic Attacks During Luteal PhaseTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 4:19 PM

It is like estrogen and progesterone DHEA adn cortils counbter balance each other. When one goe s up it pushes the other down. Keeoiugn estrogen and testisterone at oeak of their ranges willhelp the Osteo more than DHEA will. Whe n adrenals are not workign perfect DHEA does nto convert as it should to the right sex hormoens either. It tends to cause acne long before test is high enough for instance.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/------------------------------------

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That your adrenals are pretty much shot.

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and they want me to stop isocort for a few days...

Subject: Re: Re: Too High Temps, Hot Flashes, and Panic Attacks During Luteal PhaseTo: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:20 PM

That your adrenals are pretty much shot.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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>and they want me to stop isocort for a few days...

Which you can't ddo suddenly of course!

Nick

[Guest guest]

but wont it be dangerous to do at all for me? like I said I have a rash that im thinking is helped as I raised fro 4 to 9 isocort...so Im sure it will be worse as I lower.>and they want me to stop isocort for a few days...Which you can't ddo suddenly of course!Nick------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

but wont it be dangerous to do at all for me? like I said I have a rash that im thinking is helped as I raised fro 4 to 9 isocort...so Im sure it will be worse as I lower.>and they want me to stop isocort for a few days...Which you can't ddo suddenly of course!Nick------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

but wont it be dangerous to do at all for me? like I said I have a rash that im thinking is helped as I raised fro 4 to 9 isocort...so Im sure it will be worse as I lower.>and they want me to stop isocort for a few days...Which you can't ddo suddenly of course!Nick------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

>but wont it be dangerous to do at all for me? like I said I have a rash that im

thinking is helped as I raised fro 4 to 9 isocort...so Im sure it will be worse

as I lower.

Stopping HC, Isocort, or T3 suddenly is a BAD idea

Nick