Re: Fwd: FW: Requested Information for Response Into Louisiana

[Guest guest]

,

I have heard that their now have been about 20 ambulances sent from across the

state. I find it curious that this information appears to be top secret for some

reason

and other EMS organizations are not being kept informed in the event we may wish

to re-consider our systems ability to send staff and units. Being 6 medics short

already

it would be hard for us to do so. That doesn't mean that we don't want to or

that if this thing gets any bigger and more out of control medically, we may

have to step

up to the plate as others are and will need to do. Before we can do that we need

to be informed of current EMS involved and the current need.

If I were ten years younger and in better health, I would already be there. But

I am not so I guess I have to be a bystander. I think those that are there and

on the way

are doing a great job.

Henry

" E. Tate " wrote:

> Henry,

>

> Both East Texas Medical Center EMS and Champion EMS in this area have sent

help. I think there was a total of 11 ambulances from the Tyler / Longview area

sent.

>

> Tater

>

> Henry wrote:

> I was contacted the day before the Hurricane hit by the state. We do not have

> the resources to send anyone. However that was the day before the landfall.

Who

> can tell me if the state has actually dispatched ambulances to La.? It is no

> wonder folks are saying come help me. Terry, I know you monitor this list.

What

> have we dispatched in regards to EMS to help?

>

> Henry Barber

>

> " , " wrote:

>

> > Well, as long as YOU can justify circumventing the EM/ICS process, then it

> > must be ok. Pack your bags, have a great time! I'll wait for the call from

> > the State/Feds.

> > Requested Information for Response Into Louisiana

> > >

> > >

> > > Folks,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your willingness to help.

> > >

> > > Follow-up from the call: Any resources within a 10 hour drive of Baton

> > > Rouge are requested to bring a fully equipped ambulance and a crew of

> > > 4

> > >

> > > Personnel who are further away should make arrangements to fly into

> > > Baton Rouge or Lafayette.

> > >

> > > We hope that personnel can commit at least 72 hours on the ground, in

> > > addition to travel time

> > >

> > > Acadian Ambulance will provide lodging and food for the time actually

> > > in their operation

> > >

> > > Unsure of responsibilities, but all issues will be worked out upon

> > > arrival.

> > >

> > > (Never been to a bad wreck where we knew what we needed to do before

> > > we got there).

> > >

> > > Please complete the attached spreadsheet and return to me ASAP. We

> > > will be working with the Acadian people to be sure the resources are

> > > properly utilized. May ask some people to delay deployment until later

> > > date depending on needs as they change.

> > >

> > > Shae Hinson, on my staff, will be coordinating this work here as I

> > > travel to Louisiana in the AM. He will have contact with me if needed.

> > >

> > > Shae Hinson

> > > shaehinson@...

> > > Office:

> > > Cell:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ben Hinson, President

> > > benhinson@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Office 478- 207-3309

> > >

> > > Dispatch

> > >

> > > Home

> > >

> > > Cell

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

I have heard that their now have been about 20 ambulances sent from across the

state. I find it curious that this information appears to be top secret for some

reason

and other EMS organizations are not being kept informed in the event we may wish

to re-consider our systems ability to send staff and units. Being 6 medics short

already

it would be hard for us to do so. That doesn't mean that we don't want to or

that if this thing gets any bigger and more out of control medically, we may

have to step

up to the plate as others are and will need to do. Before we can do that we need

to be informed of current EMS involved and the current need.

If I were ten years younger and in better health, I would already be there. But

I am not so I guess I have to be a bystander. I think those that are there and

on the way

are doing a great job.

Henry

" E. Tate " wrote:

> Henry,

>

> Both East Texas Medical Center EMS and Champion EMS in this area have sent

help. I think there was a total of 11 ambulances from the Tyler / Longview area

sent.

>

> Tater

>

> Henry wrote:

> I was contacted the day before the Hurricane hit by the state. We do not have

> the resources to send anyone. However that was the day before the landfall.

Who

> can tell me if the state has actually dispatched ambulances to La.? It is no

> wonder folks are saying come help me. Terry, I know you monitor this list.

What

> have we dispatched in regards to EMS to help?

>

> Henry Barber

>

> " , " wrote:

>

> > Well, as long as YOU can justify circumventing the EM/ICS process, then it

> > must be ok. Pack your bags, have a great time! I'll wait for the call from

> > the State/Feds.

> > Requested Information for Response Into Louisiana

> > >

> > >

> > > Folks,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your willingness to help.

> > >

> > > Follow-up from the call: Any resources within a 10 hour drive of Baton

> > > Rouge are requested to bring a fully equipped ambulance and a crew of

> > > 4

> > >

> > > Personnel who are further away should make arrangements to fly into

> > > Baton Rouge or Lafayette.

> > >

> > > We hope that personnel can commit at least 72 hours on the ground, in

> > > addition to travel time

> > >

> > > Acadian Ambulance will provide lodging and food for the time actually

> > > in their operation

> > >

> > > Unsure of responsibilities, but all issues will be worked out upon

> > > arrival.

> > >

> > > (Never been to a bad wreck where we knew what we needed to do before

> > > we got there).

> > >

> > > Please complete the attached spreadsheet and return to me ASAP. We

> > > will be working with the Acadian people to be sure the resources are

> > > properly utilized. May ask some people to delay deployment until later

> > > date depending on needs as they change.

> > >

> > > Shae Hinson, on my staff, will be coordinating this work here as I

> > > travel to Louisiana in the AM. He will have contact with me if needed.

> > >

> > > Shae Hinson

> > > shaehinson@...

> > > Office:

> > > Cell:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ben Hinson, President

> > > benhinson@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Office 478- 207-3309

> > >

> > > Dispatch

> > >

> > > Home

> > >

> > > Cell

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There are now, and have always been more than one channel to go through.

DSHS, albeit our local source, is not the end all for channels.

What really stands out in my mind about this disaster, is that what we see

on TV right now, the thousands upon thousands that need assistance, is

nothing more than the tip of the iceberg. Imagine the diseases that will be

rampant after the flood waters recede.

The help that is there now, those that have traveled to aide, cannot be

there until the end. They must have some relief. I don't know if plans have

been made to rotate medics through. This is going to go on for a very long

time. The need for assistance will be there for months.

That said, areas that need help, may not have any other channels to go

through, other than word of mouth, this issue on their part certainly does

not mean that they do not need, nor deserve the help. Although Mike is a bit

more straightfarward than most when it comes to the idiocy of some people,

he is right in the respect that if Randy Rescue decides to pack up and go

after reading the first sentence of a post, then he/she will possibly be

nothing more than 'in the way', not to mention very dissappointed.

I wish I could go, I wish we had a unit we could send. I wish I could be

there now, I could be packed and on my way in minutes.

The first thing I would do is contact DSHS, then Mid Georgia etc, and the

first to ask me to go would be the one to get me.

By the way, this has a lot to do with reading comprehension.

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

" Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes "

www.michaelhatfield.net

>>What a silly statement. Repeating that message was a mistake. It has

>>nothing to do with reading comprehension or anything else. Call TDH

>>and ask. There is a reason for the process they use.

[Guest guest]

OK...this is the biggest health care/refugee crisis the US has faced since the

civil war.......Everyone certified in EMS in the State of Texas, who wishes/able

to, should take a role by either responding directly or in a support role.

Several agencies/personnel are bogged down by red-tape and bureaucracy. Thus,

either delaying or causing non-response. Legalities and ICS are important

matters. However, it seems since Gov. opened the doors to LA refugees,

the red-tape and bureaucracy would be mitigated and better communication could

be sent to all of us statewide. This will go on for some time. Those medics

who are there now will tire and wear out very soon, if not already.

Who IS heading up the Texas EMS response....If you are out there, we could use a

status report. This list would be an excellent venue. Otherwise we have a

jumbled mess of one or two services taking the brunt of response and mass

confusion of individual medics bugging Acadian and other LA services to find out

what is truely needed.

Give us current overall personnel strength and an EASY way to respond when

needed.

Develop a rotation schedule for all Texas licensed providers/personnel for the

next several weeks for LA, MS response, as well as covering decreased strength

Texas jurisdictions.

Have a central disembarking and returning points where Intel, equipment, and

supplies can be given to those responding and returning.

Is help needed in the Astrodome, Reunion Arena, and other refugee centers?

Do immunization clinics need to be staffed for possible malaria and yellow

fever?

Time's a-wastn' and so are lives....

-MH

>>> hbarber@... 09/01/05 2:19 PM >>>

,

I have heard that their now have been about 20 ambulances sent from across the

state. I find it curious that this information appears to be top secret for some

reason

and other EMS organizations are not being kept informed in the event we may wish

to re-consider our systems ability to send staff and units. Being 6 medics short

already

it would be hard for us to do so. That doesn't mean that we don't want to or

that if this thing gets any bigger and more out of control medically, we may

have to step

up to the plate as others are and will need to do. Before we can do that we need

to be informed of current EMS involved and the current need.

If I were ten years younger and in better health, I would already be there. But

I am not so I guess I have to be a bystander. I think those that are there and

on the way

are doing a great job.

Henry

" E. Tate " wrote:

> Henry,

>

> Both East Texas Medical Center EMS and Champion EMS in this area have sent

help. I think there was a total of 11 ambulances from the Tyler / Longview area

sent.

>

> Tater

>

> Henry wrote:

> I was contacted the day before the Hurricane hit by the state. We do not have

> the resources to send anyone. However that was the day before the landfall.

Who

> can tell me if the state has actually dispatched ambulances to La.? It is no

> wonder folks are saying come help me. Terry, I know you monitor this list.

What

> have we dispatched in regards to EMS to help?

>

> Henry Barber

>

> " , " wrote:

>

> > Well, as long as YOU can justify circumventing the EM/ICS process, then it

> > must be ok. Pack your bags, have a great time! I'll wait for the call from

> > the State/Feds.

> > Requested Information for Response Into Louisiana

> > >

> > >

> > > Folks,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your willingness to help.

> > >

> > > Follow-up from the call: Any resources within a 10 hour drive of Baton

> > > Rouge are requested to bring a fully equipped ambulance and a crew of

> > > 4

> > >

> > > Personnel who are further away should make arrangements to fly into

> > > Baton Rouge or Lafayette.

> > >

> > > We hope that personnel can commit at least 72 hours on the ground, in

> > > addition to travel time

> > >

> > > Acadian Ambulance will provide lodging and food for the time actually

> > > in their operation

> > >

> > > Unsure of responsibilities, but all issues will be worked out upon

> > > arrival.

> > >

> > > (Never been to a bad wreck where we knew what we needed to do before

> > > we got there).

> > >

> > > Please complete the attached spreadsheet and return to me ASAP. We

> > > will be working with the Acadian people to be sure the resources are

> > > properly utilized. May ask some people to delay deployment until later

> > > date depending on needs as they change.

> > >

> > > Shae Hinson, on my staff, will be coordinating this work here as I

> > > travel to Louisiana in the AM. He will have contact with me if needed.

> > >

> > > Shae Hinson

> > > shaehinson@...

> > > Office:

> > > Cell:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ben Hinson, President

> > > benhinson@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Office 478- 207-3309

> > >

> > > Dispatch

> > >

> > > Home

> > >

> > > Cell

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> Is help needed in the Astrodome, Reunion Arena, and other refugee centers?

Reunion Area is open to refugees, but is being staffed by Dallas FD

paramedics who are being paid OT. They've set up a schedule

already... and are handling Reunion Arena " internally. "

Mike

[Guest guest]

Rob,

Once again you’ve posted something to the list that makes me wonder about your

cognitive abilities.

What if you had been where the officers were shot? What if you had been there

at the Superdome? Was either scene safe? If it wasn’t, did you and your

partner (assuming you can find someone that is equally as ignorant as you) just

become additional victims?

Gee whiz bro, take a chill pill and try to come back to reality. Open your

Basic EMT Textbook, and endeavor to recall the fist thing you learned (or should

have, maybe this is the problem) about emergency response. This really is not

brain surgery.

Let me refresh your memory about Safety Priorities:

1) You

2) Your Partner(s) (this includes first responders, firefighters, cops,

etc)

3) Victim (your patient)

4) Everyone else

Given the above, how could any paramedic being at the Superdome made a speck of

difference?

Being in the disaster area without proper authorization is not being part of the

solution; therefore by your own words, you would be part of the problem.

E. Tate, LP

Whitehouse, Texas

dustdevil31 wrote: " simple_emt " <simple_emt@y...> wrote:

>

> Call TDH and ask. There is a reason for the process they use.

, two police officers were shot this morning and there were no

medics available to help them. There is a woman in labour on the

steps of the Superdome right now and not a medic anywhere to be

had. Do you really think they give a rats ass what Texas DSHS has

to say about it in Austin? Would you care if you were that woman,

that police officer, or his wife?

There aren't sufficient authorities in NO right now to check

looting, rape, murder, arson and carjacking. How many do you think

are out there checking for cert cards and reciprocity letters?

Nobody needs a license to provide basic medical care anymore than

they need a boating license to pluck people off of rooftops.

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem, and

yes, you have blood on your hands.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> First of all, I have no clue who you are and you obviously don't

know me.

>

> Second, you obviously have no experience with a real mass casualty

incident.

Well, your batting .500, . You're right, you don't have a clue.

And you're wrong, I have significant MCI experience.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> What if you had been where the officers were shot? What if you had

> been there at the Superdome? Was either scene safe? If it wasn't,

> did you and your partner (assuming you can find someone that is

> equally as ignorant as you) just become additional victims?

Oh, okay. Now I understand. I didn't realize you were simply

advocating the abandonment of the relief efforts altogether. You

should have just said so in the beginning and we wouldn't have had

this little misunderstanding.

My apologies,

Rob

[Guest guest]

Let's play nice boys. Y'all want to have this childish spat, take it

offline. Or to another list, not this one.

Only warning.

>

> " E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

> >

> > What if you had been where the officers were shot? What if you had

> > been there at the Superdome? Was either scene safe? If it wasn't,

> > did you and your partner (assuming you can find someone that is

> > equally as ignorant as you) just become additional victims?

>

> Oh, okay. Now I understand. I didn't realize you were simply

> advocating the abandonment of the relief efforts altogether. You

> should have just said so in the beginning and we wouldn't have had

> this little misunderstanding.

>

> My apologies,

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whoops! Ain't I a butt? Wrong list. Must be the heat. My bad. This was cross

posted to another list that I moderate.

>

> Let's play nice boys. Y'all want to have this childish spat, take it

> offline. Or to another list, not this one.

> Only warning.

>

>

>

> >

> > " E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

> > >

> > > What if you had been where the officers were shot? What if you had

> > > been there at the Superdome? Was either scene safe? If it wasn't,

> > > did you and your partner (assuming you can find someone that is

> > > equally as ignorant as you) just become additional victims?

> >

> > Oh, okay. Now I understand. I didn't realize you were simply

> > advocating the abandonment of the relief efforts altogether. You

> > should have just said so in the beginning and we wouldn't have had

> > this little misunderstanding.

> >

> > My apologies,

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >