Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Hi Pam, I think its wonderful that your daughter has such a caring, supportive mother. I had major nutritional problems after having surgery, but have recovered from that for the most part, and have been fine in my pregnancy. But I was 21 months out from surgery when I became pregnant. Your daughter is a year and a half out? In my opinion, that is far enough out to have a healthy pregnancy. Most doctors say 1-2 years anyway depending on the situation. We have had quite a bit of women on here who have conceived a LOT earlier then that and have been just fine and had healthy babies. How is she doing so far in her pregnancy? Most women get enough nutrients for themselves and baby during pregnany, but if you have concerns, I am sure that her OB can refer her to a nutritionist. My OB refers out to one if need be, but I didnt feel I needed it because all my labs are normal, (which with my nutritional deficiency history makes me very happy). You only told us you were concerned for her and baby, but didnt tell us if she has any problems NOW regarding vitamins, nutrients, etc. What were her complications after surgery if you dont mind me asking? I for one KNOW that this surgery doesnt come without complications, and they can be scary, so I am sorry she had to go through them. Welcome to the group, and again I think its great she has a mom like you that actually went out and did this research. Take care! Marcy Wallis lap rny 06/15/00 edd 12/08/02 Nutrition Hello, > > My daughter had surgery a little over a yr and a half ago. I > joined this group because I'm a Mom and Mom's just never stop taking > care of their babies. My " baby " is 29. I have learned alot from these groups. Valuable info that I pass on to her. When she first had her surgery she was so sick. Her Dr told her that it was to be expected. > The group I was in at the time suggested lactose intolerence and > bingo!! She felt well within days. I know that her Dr is not a > reliable source for her health. She is now pregnant (12 wks) It was >a huge surprise! My concern is nutrition and the problems that weight > loss patients face. There doesn't seem to be a place where people can go and be treated as with special needs or by someone who knows how to treat them. There aren't many medical people with the knowledge of the nutional needs that have to be monitered. I worry about these complications down the road so I am forever looking and learning what ever I can. I would like to find a nutrionist that she can work with to keep her health at its best. I wish you all well and I will be here learning from you all. Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Hi Pam, I think its wonderful that your daughter has such a caring, supportive mother. I had major nutritional problems after having surgery, but have recovered from that for the most part, and have been fine in my pregnancy. But I was 21 months out from surgery when I became pregnant. Your daughter is a year and a half out? In my opinion, that is far enough out to have a healthy pregnancy. Most doctors say 1-2 years anyway depending on the situation. We have had quite a bit of women on here who have conceived a LOT earlier then that and have been just fine and had healthy babies. How is she doing so far in her pregnancy? Most women get enough nutrients for themselves and baby during pregnany, but if you have concerns, I am sure that her OB can refer her to a nutritionist. My OB refers out to one if need be, but I didnt feel I needed it because all my labs are normal, (which with my nutritional deficiency history makes me very happy). You only told us you were concerned for her and baby, but didnt tell us if she has any problems NOW regarding vitamins, nutrients, etc. What were her complications after surgery if you dont mind me asking? I for one KNOW that this surgery doesnt come without complications, and they can be scary, so I am sorry she had to go through them. Welcome to the group, and again I think its great she has a mom like you that actually went out and did this research. Take care! Marcy Wallis lap rny 06/15/00 edd 12/08/02 Nutrition Hello, > > My daughter had surgery a little over a yr and a half ago. I > joined this group because I'm a Mom and Mom's just never stop taking > care of their babies. My " baby " is 29. I have learned alot from these groups. Valuable info that I pass on to her. When she first had her surgery she was so sick. Her Dr told her that it was to be expected. > The group I was in at the time suggested lactose intolerence and > bingo!! She felt well within days. I know that her Dr is not a > reliable source for her health. She is now pregnant (12 wks) It was >a huge surprise! My concern is nutrition and the problems that weight > loss patients face. There doesn't seem to be a place where people can go and be treated as with special needs or by someone who knows how to treat them. There aren't many medical people with the knowledge of the nutional needs that have to be monitered. I worry about these complications down the road so I am forever looking and learning what ever I can. I would like to find a nutrionist that she can work with to keep her health at its best. I wish you all well and I will be here learning from you all. Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Hi Pam, I think its wonderful that your daughter has such a caring, supportive mother. I had major nutritional problems after having surgery, but have recovered from that for the most part, and have been fine in my pregnancy. But I was 21 months out from surgery when I became pregnant. Your daughter is a year and a half out? In my opinion, that is far enough out to have a healthy pregnancy. Most doctors say 1-2 years anyway depending on the situation. We have had quite a bit of women on here who have conceived a LOT earlier then that and have been just fine and had healthy babies. How is she doing so far in her pregnancy? Most women get enough nutrients for themselves and baby during pregnany, but if you have concerns, I am sure that her OB can refer her to a nutritionist. My OB refers out to one if need be, but I didnt feel I needed it because all my labs are normal, (which with my nutritional deficiency history makes me very happy). You only told us you were concerned for her and baby, but didnt tell us if she has any problems NOW regarding vitamins, nutrients, etc. What were her complications after surgery if you dont mind me asking? I for one KNOW that this surgery doesnt come without complications, and they can be scary, so I am sorry she had to go through them. Welcome to the group, and again I think its great she has a mom like you that actually went out and did this research. Take care! Marcy Wallis lap rny 06/15/00 edd 12/08/02 Nutrition Hello, > > My daughter had surgery a little over a yr and a half ago. I > joined this group because I'm a Mom and Mom's just never stop taking > care of their babies. My " baby " is 29. I have learned alot from these groups. Valuable info that I pass on to her. When she first had her surgery she was so sick. Her Dr told her that it was to be expected. > The group I was in at the time suggested lactose intolerence and > bingo!! She felt well within days. I know that her Dr is not a > reliable source for her health. She is now pregnant (12 wks) It was >a huge surprise! My concern is nutrition and the problems that weight > loss patients face. There doesn't seem to be a place where people can go and be treated as with special needs or by someone who knows how to treat them. There aren't many medical people with the knowledge of the nutional needs that have to be monitered. I worry about these complications down the road so I am forever looking and learning what ever I can. I would like to find a nutrionist that she can work with to keep her health at its best. I wish you all well and I will be here learning from you all. Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Cliff, What type and stage of cancer do you have? If it is colon cancer I respectfully state that I've seen nothing credible that suggests that nutrition will do anything to extend survival anything longer than statistical noise. As a stage IV guy myself, I would welcome anybody who could guarantee me four years UNDER ANY TREATMENT OPTION. So I'm going to be blunt - if you are looking for an easy way out of the disease or an easy way to put off the disease, I think that you are fooling yourself if you think that, short of a miracle (which I admit does happen), you're going to find one. At age 65, I would not consider it unrational to do nothing and let it run its course, as you suggest; however, if what you really want is to alter the timeline, even a little bit, you probably need to hop in the car pretty quickly and figure out what medical alternative is right for you, because the wicked truth of the matter is that for colon cancer that has progressed, even medical solutions do not always get somebody 3 or 4 years - sometimes it just gets them as little as an extra 8-12 months. Good Luck, Joe > Hello, > I'm trying to get some information on a nutritional approach to curing > cancer before or without surgery. My thinking is that if I can get > another four years of life through a nutritional approach, why suffer > the surgery? At my age (65) the cancer would probably get me in the end > anyway, even with surgery. > > Comments? > > Cliff > > http://www.angelfire.com/mi/mmmkkk > (Last of the Red Hot DJs) > An aquaintance asks Mssr. Verdoux, " What do you know? " " My good man, I > don't even *suspect* anything. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Cliff, What type and stage of cancer do you have? If it is colon cancer I respectfully state that I've seen nothing credible that suggests that nutrition will do anything to extend survival anything longer than statistical noise. As a stage IV guy myself, I would welcome anybody who could guarantee me four years UNDER ANY TREATMENT OPTION. So I'm going to be blunt - if you are looking for an easy way out of the disease or an easy way to put off the disease, I think that you are fooling yourself if you think that, short of a miracle (which I admit does happen), you're going to find one. At age 65, I would not consider it unrational to do nothing and let it run its course, as you suggest; however, if what you really want is to alter the timeline, even a little bit, you probably need to hop in the car pretty quickly and figure out what medical alternative is right for you, because the wicked truth of the matter is that for colon cancer that has progressed, even medical solutions do not always get somebody 3 or 4 years - sometimes it just gets them as little as an extra 8-12 months. Good Luck, Joe > Hello, > I'm trying to get some information on a nutritional approach to curing > cancer before or without surgery. My thinking is that if I can get > another four years of life through a nutritional approach, why suffer > the surgery? At my age (65) the cancer would probably get me in the end > anyway, even with surgery. > > Comments? > > Cliff > > http://www.angelfire.com/mi/mmmkkk > (Last of the Red Hot DJs) > An aquaintance asks Mssr. Verdoux, " What do you know? " " My good man, I > don't even *suspect* anything. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Cliff, What type and stage of cancer do you have? If it is colon cancer I respectfully state that I've seen nothing credible that suggests that nutrition will do anything to extend survival anything longer than statistical noise. As a stage IV guy myself, I would welcome anybody who could guarantee me four years UNDER ANY TREATMENT OPTION. So I'm going to be blunt - if you are looking for an easy way out of the disease or an easy way to put off the disease, I think that you are fooling yourself if you think that, short of a miracle (which I admit does happen), you're going to find one. At age 65, I would not consider it unrational to do nothing and let it run its course, as you suggest; however, if what you really want is to alter the timeline, even a little bit, you probably need to hop in the car pretty quickly and figure out what medical alternative is right for you, because the wicked truth of the matter is that for colon cancer that has progressed, even medical solutions do not always get somebody 3 or 4 years - sometimes it just gets them as little as an extra 8-12 months. Good Luck, Joe > Hello, > I'm trying to get some information on a nutritional approach to curing > cancer before or without surgery. My thinking is that if I can get > another four years of life through a nutritional approach, why suffer > the surgery? At my age (65) the cancer would probably get me in the end > anyway, even with surgery. > > Comments? > > Cliff > > http://www.angelfire.com/mi/mmmkkk > (Last of the Red Hot DJs) > An aquaintance asks Mssr. Verdoux, " What do you know? " " My good man, I > don't even *suspect* anything. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Cliff, What stage are you? I think you can use both nutrition and chemotherapy to fight cancer, you don't have to choose one. My husband has been stage IV for a year and a half now and he is doing everything he possibly can to fight this. He has done surgery, chemo and two different clinical trials. At the same time he became vegeterian, squizes fresh juices every single day and we buy all our food from organic stores. He also takes supplements and keeps fit. But before thinking about having only 4 years find out if your cancer can be cured first. My husband is planning to be around for a while, there so many new good drugs right now and with a good doctor you have a good chance!! All the best (Bjarne's wife) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Dear Cliff: There are many approach's to the treatment,management and control of cancer. If there was a nutritional approach available, I am sure we would all be tuned to the same wave length. Surgery is not always the answer,true,but depending on the type,stage,and other health factors usually your team would sit down and discuss the form of treament for that particular type of cancer. It could include radiation(many forms) chemo-therapy-surgery or any combination of the three. usually one has a PCP,A SURGEON(if surgery is indicated) perhaps A RADIOLOGIST and most importantly your ONCOLOGIST. You need to understand your diagnois,evvaluate the options and form a course of treatment. You might want a second opinion before you do this. There is so much information available today that you can discover for yourself,just what the prognosis for your particular cancer is,the most current treatments,trials available ,if you want to go that way.Today almost every state has a number of major cancer centers witha concentration of specialists who team up and work with each other. These centers provide the best source for a centralized spot with all the diagnostic tools under one roof. The internet has thousands of sites,the library has computers if you don not have access to one. I am sure you will receive a myriad of responses today offering many insights,hope and contacts. Nutrition is important..But I don't think it is the absolute way to go. There are many holisitc groups who offer alternative therapies. Insurance today may dictate more of your teatment than you realize(unless of course you have unlimited funds and can go hither and yon seeking answers) You need to assemle the facts,track the treatment protocols,and make an educated decision. Best of luck. Faith is our constant companion,family support and keeping abreast of the newest regimes offered. Attitude plays an important part,if you think you will be successful it colors your actions and supplies energy and direction.Organize,prioritize,and ask questions. Don't be put off. If your oncologist won't sit down and explore all the options open to you,seek one who will. When you bond with the team who will direct your therapy you have a much better chance of success. Best of luck Nick & Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 You might want to read the nutrition book by Gaynor, M.D., who is an oncologist. Pretty common sense if you know a lot about nutrition/alternative healing, but informative all the same. If you are in or near NYC you might want to pay him a visit. In addition to traditional oncology, he does nutrition therapy, sound healing and other alternative healing modalities as well. I think you will be hard pressed to find someone who would recommend fasting to get rid of cancer cells, if you are undergoing treatment at least. You will need nutrition (protein especially) to heal. There is probably a reason why you haven't found any information about fasting/cancer. There are also some nutrition therapies like and Gerson (sp), but these don't involve fasting, but juicing and enzymes. If that's the route you want to go you should look into those. Then there are the macrobiotic proponents. I used to think that might be a good idea until I learned that both Aveline Kushi (who brought macrobiotics to this country and wrote a book about macrobiotics curing cancer) and her daughter died of cancer. > <<...good nutrition is not a cure...>> > > With a personal history of fasting, and having enjoyed the many benefits > of fasts both short and relatively long (2 weeks) my interest in this > early stage cancer I have has been whether fasting shrinks cancer tumors > as it does other kinds of tumors, and whether fasting dispels cancer > cells in general as it does other types of unhealthy cells. The > nutritional aspect of my interest pertains more to the building up of > the immune system. My general state of anxiety as a newly diagnosed > person has probably caused me to misrepresent myself here as being on > the lunatic fringe. > > I've found that quack website in my searches. Generally, the sources I > consult are so credible that they have their own built-in quackwatch. > And of course I have my own as well. Most genuine seekers of truth are > born skeptics. > > There are many whose innocence and trusting nature lead them into harm's > way, though, and for them such as Quackwatch is a noble service. > Unless, of course, Quackwatch's own zeal might close their eyes to the > light. It's been known to happen. > > In the case of something like cancer, the prevailing opinion is to seek > the conventional approach. My interest has been to try and determine if > there are any successful unconventional approaches, particularly having > to do with fasting. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines, but > the fact is that there is little online about alternative cancer > treatment, and nothing I've found so far about fasting. > > So, since there is a time factor to worry about, I'm going for the > surgery, and I'm especially pumped since I think I have a sympathetic > new surgeon. But for the chemo experience I will definitely seek out > any nutritional support I can find from amongst the many credible > sources out there. From personal experience, I heartily advise any and > all to do the same. > > Cliff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 <<Have you come across the " sister board " to this one, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/experimentalandunconventional/ ? It's a good place to have this kind of discussion with like-minded folk. I'd certainly be interested in hearing the results of your research, and E & U would probably be the best place to discuss them.>> I have joined that group. My introductory message came back as undeliverable, but it was sent during Yahoo's troubles of last week. I then sent a note to the list owner but never received a response. In the past three days only one message has been posted on that list, but it was indecipherable. I had great hopes for the list but it doesn't appear to be functioning. As for the results of my experiments, it occurs to me that with a compromised immune system, fasting will be out of the question. Even my appendectomy hit my immune system, I believe. It would probably have been worse without al the veggie juices and mangoes I've been taking, but speculation doesn't constitute proof. What I had in mind before deciding on surgery was to fast the cancer away--assuming I could find some personal testimony to either support or pooh-pooh the idea. The last information I read was some thirty years ago. It came out against fasting, fearing it may cause more rapid metastasis. On that basis, not a good idea. I thought that if there were some new information, it might be worth a try. But now this list, and a talk with a retired surgeon who knows the ropes, has dispelled my fear of the conventional process. Cliff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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