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I was induced for both my pregnancies, the first one being twins. My first

pregnancy was a piece of cake and the second I was heavier and had a hard time

and labor. Take the epidural, LOL : ) I highly recommend it. Do not take me

wrong, I would not discourage anyone from a natural delivery. But why have os

much pain when you don't need to. You can ask them to let the epidural wear off

for when it is time to push so you feel it all and you still get the joy of

delivery. Good LUck and Congrats on your new baby coming. This is so exciting :

)

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daughter Madison age 4

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Kelli,

I had an induction with son who was my first. I think I was induced for

different reasons than you. He was two weeks late and he did not drop at all.

The just could not wait any longer. I was not dilated or effaced at all.

Because you are somewhat dilated and effaced I think your induction will be

easier

than mine.

Shoshannah K

r ny 3/6/01

edd 6/25/03 baby girl

mom to A.J. 7 1/2

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In a message dated 6/9/03 4:04:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elfanie@... writes:

> Epidurals are FAR from risk-free...so it's not like you are

> choosing between two different births with equal risks,

> only one has pain and one doesn't.

>

For some reason, I still prefer a birthing experience with less pain. I was

induced with my son, and the labor pains I had were considered to be " violent "

from the induction. If it were not for the epidural, I probably would have

had a cardiac arrest from the pain. I am due in a couple of weeks, and I don't

think I will be getting an induction. I will let you all know if there is a

difference in the pain.

Maybe we should put men through surgery without anesthesia because it would

be more natural with less risks for them. We all know there are risks from

anesthesia including fatalities. However, these risks are rare. In surgery,

there are risks as well. We all opted for weight loss surgery, and we were

willing to take the risks.

In childbirth, you always have the option of starting labor and refusing

anesthesia. You can see how it goes. However, in my case, as soon as labor

started, the pain was severe. By the time I was 5 cm dilated, there was no way

I

could have gone on without suffering permanent damage if I did not have an

epidural. As it is, by the time I was pushing the epidural did not do anything.

It just gave me a break up until the pushing. If I did not have that break, I

would have not had enough energy to push for 2 1/2 hours. I probably would

have ended up with a c-section. My doctor was actually surprised that I did

not have a c-section. He said I was really lucky, and he told me I was pushing

harder than most people. I am glad he did not think I was a wimp for opting

for an epidural.

I do have a question for or Sheila. After childbirth, my blood

pressure was around 150/95 for a couple of days. The nurses told me that was

from the pain. I do not recall having high blood pressure at all after my

weight

loss surgery. How normal is it to have high blood pressure after childbirth?

Currently, I have low blood pressure so I probably will not have to worry

about that this time.

Shoshannah K

r ny 3/6/01

edd 6/25/03 baby girl

mom to A.J. 7 1/2

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Wow, Kelli!!! That is very exciting. I don't mean to be nosy, but I'm an old

Okie myself and have family in Ada, OKC, Ardmore, Tishomingo, etc... where

are you delivering? You don't have to say if you don't want to. I'll be back

down that way in a couple of weeks, hopefully picking blackberries on my

parents' farm ... I say hopefully because I'm hoping to time it right for

them to be ripe. I can't go down any other week because of scheduling

conflicts this summer.

I went to OBU in ee (85-89) and spent most of my growing-up years in SE

and Central OK.

Best wishes, and I look forward to hearing your story!

-Kris

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Kelli, I ended up not having to be induced since I went into labor at

2am the morning I was to be induced at 6am (ended up giving birth at

11am). :o) BUT, I did want to wish you the very best of luck!!!

You're about to have that sweet little one in your arms!

Janice

Tessa 8/6/02

Baby girl #2 edd 9/9/03

WLS 3/8/01

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> I would not discourage anyone from

> a natural delivery. But why have os much pain when you don't need to.

because, as with everything, there are risks and

benefits.

why have as much pain when you don't need to?

Because you don't feel that the benefits are worth the

risks.

It's all a matter of knowing both sides, the risks and the

benefits, and then doing what you feel is best for you

and your baby.

for some..the benefits are worth the risks. But for

others...they are not.

Epidurals are FAR from risk-free...so it's not like you are

choosing between two different births with equal risks,

only one has pain and one doesn't.

Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) ICD CLD

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CAPPA Board of Directors - Advisor

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Photography

Mesa, AZ

Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos

http://www.birthdiaries.com

Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com - locate a birth

professional

or find out about a hospital in your area!

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Hi Kelli,

I have no experience with induction...so, I can't offer you any personal

experience. ;o) I pray you have a smooth labor and delivery.

Looking forward to hearing your birth story.

Blessings,

in CA

_____

Jordan's WAHMommy

michelle@...

Induction

Just wanted to update everyone. I am 39 1/2 weeks by sonogram and 40

1/2

weeks by dates. Anyway I am scheduled to check in this evening at 10pm

to

start induction w/Cytotec and then Pitocin in the am. I am curious what

everyone else's experiences have been w/induction. When I saw the dr.

last

Wed. I was dilated to a 2 and 60-70% thinned. I have had an excellent

pregnancy w/no problems. I have gained 25 pounds and hope to lose it

and

about 25-35 more. I have received excellent support and help from this

group and can't tell you all how much I appreciate it. I will let you

know

when I get home and tell everyone how it goes.

Thanks,

Kelli Curtis

Bennington, OK

RNY 11-26-01

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To: OSSG-pregnant

From: EDUCATIONmatters@...

Date sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:54:25 EDT

Subject: Re: Induction

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> Maybe we should put men through surgery without anesthesia because it

> would be more natural with less risks for them.

There is nothing " natural " about surgery. And the risks

of surgery without anesthesia are greater than the risks

of surgery with anesthesia.

> We all opted for weight

> loss surgery, and we were willing to take the risks.

>

Different situations call for individual evaluations. what I

mean is...just because I accept one risk doesn't mean I

will automatically be comfortable with ALL risks....

> I am glad he did not think

> I was a wimp for opting for an epidural.

>

I don't think that anyone would think you're a wimp for

opting for an epidural. Or...ok, maybe some would, but

they would definitely be the minority.

> I do have a question for or Sheila. After childbirth, my

> blood pressure was around 150/95 for a couple of days. The nurses

> told me that was from the pain. I do not recall having high blood

> pressure at all after my weight loss surgery. How normal is it to

> have high blood pressure after childbirth?

After an unmedicated birth...very rare.

After a medicated birth...very common.

one of the very VERY common risks with an epidural is

low blood pressure...this is one of the benefits of an

epidural if you have a mom who has high blood

pressure that is threatening her pregnancy (giving her

an epidural can lower it and allow a vaginal

delivery)...but it's a risk for a mom with a regular blood

pressure.

Because of this...they bolus you up with fluid (1-2 liters,

depending on the hospital) before giving you an

epidural. This is to prevent the blood pressure from

crashing, endangering you and your baby.

However...it's because of this push of fluids that you will

often have a tremendous amount of swelling for a few

days to a week..

and it's also because of this push of fluids via IV that

you are at a higher risk of having high blood pressure.

(think about it this way...an epidural can lower your BP,

so they give you fluids to prevent that. take away the

epidural, and all you have is a lot of fluid...it's

understandable that your BP would go up.)

> Currently, I have low blood pressure so I probably will not have to

> worry

> about that this time.

>

You probably will still notice and possibly have a

problem with it. but that's to be expected....

Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) ICD CLD

Student Midwife

CAPPA Board of Directors - Advisor

Birth Doula/Childbirth Educator/Pregnancy-Birth

Photography

Mesa, AZ

Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos

http://www.birthdiaries.com

Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com - locate a birth

professional

or find out about a hospital in your area!

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Kelli,

Best of luck to you!!! Let us know how everything went when you get a

chance.

Marcy

Induction

> Just wanted to update everyone. I am 39 1/2 weeks by sonogram and 40 1/2

> weeks by dates. Anyway I am scheduled to check in this evening at 10pm to

> start induction w/Cytotec and then Pitocin in the am. I am curious what

> everyone else's experiences have been w/induction. When I saw the dr.

last

> Wed. I was dilated to a 2 and 60-70% thinned. I have had an excellent

> pregnancy w/no problems. I have gained 25 pounds and hope to lose it and

> about 25-35 more. I have received excellent support and help from this

> group and can't tell you all how much I appreciate it. I will let you

know

> when I get home and tell everyone how it goes.

>

> Thanks,

> Kelli Curtis

> Bennington, OK

> RNY 11-26-01

>

>

>

>

> Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3

>

>

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MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is a very important discussion, but I would like to

request that in future posts regarding medicated vs. unmedicated birth (or on

adoption/donor insemination issues, for that matter) we would all feel free to

share our experiences and opinions without feeling threatened by the experiences

or opinions of others. is a valuable member of our group and has a

distinct perspective on pregnancy and birthing. You may or may not agree with

her (or with someone else here), and that is just fine. You are entitled to

trust your judgment and go with what YOU are most comfortable with. I will

strive to keep this group an open forum for everyone's experience and viewpoint.

If you feel you have been belittled by someone else on this board, please

discuss it privately with that person OR with me. Otherwise, I'm going to have

to start exercising a " line-item veto " policy of editing out unnecessary items

from posts before allowing them on the group.

You all continue to be a source of blessing in my life! Thank you!

-Kris

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In a message dated 6/9/03 8:02:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elfanie@... writes:

>

> There is nothing " natural " about surgery. And the risks

> of surgery without anesthesia are greater than the risks

> of surgery with anesthesia.

>

>

Even physicians have admitted that it is a miracle that ANY woman conceives

and has children because there is so much involved. There are actually a lot

of complications involved even with the " textbook pregnancy. " It is not

really so natural. Childbirth is a miracle from God. God makes it happen, but

sometimes we take that for granted. I consider eating, going to the bathroom,

getting pimples and SEX all natural experiences.

I don't consider pushing a seven or eight pound object out of a hole no

bigger than a golf ball a natural experience. I consider it a miracle. I don't

consider surgery natural either. I consider it a miracle (of technology) as

well. If God wants to help me along with a miracle of technology by letting me

have an epidural, who am I to refuse it?

Shoshannah

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