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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Pam B. - Wow, I never made this connection until you said it! I was anemic while pregnant too, and of course they told me to take all kinds of iron with those prenatals. And I didn't start having any thyroid problems until after the baby was born. Hmm...makes you wonder, doesn't it? With theories like this, I'd like to hear your others! Re: Iron Supplements >Hi Jody, iThyroid.com has some info about iron as well: >http://www.ithyroid.com/iron.htm > >Iron depletes copper and copper deficiency causes hypterT symptoms. > >One of my many theories about why I'm hyperT is that I was told to >take so much iron while I was pregnant. That is when my hotflashes >started, I think. Of course I have many more theories... none >proven. > >:)Pam B. > > >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements, >> J >> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements >> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68 >> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N. >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine >> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal >Yourself, >> Random House, 1997) >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no >mechanism for >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is >absorbed must >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the body >promotes >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been >implicated by >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also >increases >> the risk of bacterial infection. >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all microbes >require >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to >secure >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding >proteins >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that microbes >can't use >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in- >creases >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed >for optimal >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess. >> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the >name given >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than >normal. >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are many >different >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin B12 >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which >increase the >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause >fatigue, >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably >twenty >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of them >are not >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who >are not >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. Twenty >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron >supplements >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if those >people >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency >improves >> metabolism and immunity. >> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty to >three >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can >even be >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken >orally or by >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. Studies >in >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron >can be >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron deficient >take >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are >given to >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection >increases, even >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of >negative >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the >interaction >> between iron and zinc. >> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and >supplemental iron >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance for >zinc >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc >that is >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is >only >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten >along with >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do >calcium and >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc >deficiency >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large quantities >of milk, >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and >fibres which >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly >depresses >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is >extremely >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by >aggravat-ing >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being >> supplemented. >> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency is >present, >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for >iron >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level. >Ferritin is a >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common >sign of iron >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of >ferritin levels >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited >capacity for >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more than >twenty >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken as >part of >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with >the >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and >molybdenum; it >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and >magnesium. >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of >vitamin C >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com > > >------------------------------------- >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace expert medical care. >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. >---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement of >the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Pam B. - Mine is almost 19 months - born 8/1. I took the iron most of the pregnancy, and for most of the previous pregnancy, too. None of mine were early (not that I didn't wish it sometimes!) I've heard a lot about that eat for your blood type book, I should at least check it out (I'm also an O). I like your theories, they make a lot of sense (try telling a doctor that, Ha!) I can definitely agree on the stress idea. I started feeling really bad almost immediately after taking all 3 of my kids to the ER on a Sunday because my daughter broke her arm. Hubby was out of town and we have no family in town. Were there for 6 hours. About 2 days after, I felt horrible and it was a month later that I was diagnosed. Coincidence? I think not. Re: Iron Supplements >Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2 >months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron >supplements. They don't know why he was early though. > >Here is another one of my theories: > >My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it >would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we >though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late >30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is >caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started >eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and >started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good >for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the >months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was >in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for >halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out >for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to >eat that bag as well and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate, >rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT. > >And another: >We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of >my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as >pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around >to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some >parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but >we did swim in it. and cook in it. > >And another: >Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late, >baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid), >trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put >him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold >him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week. >Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering >the inlaws . > >Well, this is long! > >:)Pam > > > > >> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements, >> >> J >> >> >> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements >> >> >> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68 >> >> >> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N. >> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine >> >> >> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal >> >Yourself, >> >> Random House, 1997) >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >> >-- >> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no >> >mechanism for >> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is >> >absorbed must >> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the >body >> >promotes >> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been >> >implicated by >> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also >> >increases >> >> the risk of bacterial infection. >> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all >microbes >> >require >> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to >> >secure >> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding >> >proteins >> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that >microbes >> >can't use >> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in- >> >creases >> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed >> >for optimal >> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess. >> >> >> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the >> >name given >> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than >> >normal. >> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are >many >> >different >> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin >B12 >> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which >> >increase the >> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron >> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause >> >fatigue, >> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably >> >twenty >> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of >them >> >are not >> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who >> >are not >> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. >Twenty >> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron >> >supplements >> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if >those >> >people >> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency >> >improves >> >> metabolism and immunity. >> >> >> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty >to >> >three >> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can >> >even be >> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken >> >orally or by >> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. >Studies >> >in >> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron >> >can be >> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron >deficient >> >take >> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are >> >given to >> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection >> >increases, even >> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of >> >negative >> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the >> >interaction >> >> between iron and zinc. >> >> >> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and >> >supplemental iron >> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance >for >> >zinc >> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc >> >that is >> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is >> >only >> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten >> >along with >> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do >> >calcium and >> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or >> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc >> >deficiency >> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large >quantities >> >of milk, >> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and >> >fibres which >> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly >> >depresses >> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is >> >extremely >> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by >> >aggravat-ing >> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being >> >> supplemented. >> >> >> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency >is >> >present, >> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for >> >iron >> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level. >> >Ferritin is a >> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common >> >sign of iron >> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of >> >ferritin levels >> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited >> >capacity for >> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more >than >> >twenty >> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken >as >> >part of >> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with >> >the >> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and >> >molybdenum; it >> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and >> >magnesium. >> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of >> >vitamin C >> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >> >http://mobile.msn.com >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------- >> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and >is not >> intended to replace expert medical care. >> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new >treatments. >> >---------------------------------------- >> > DISCLAIMER >> > >> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the >> endorsement of >> >the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Pam B. - Mine is almost 19 months - born 8/1. I took the iron most of the pregnancy, and for most of the previous pregnancy, too. None of mine were early (not that I didn't wish it sometimes!) I've heard a lot about that eat for your blood type book, I should at least check it out (I'm also an O). I like your theories, they make a lot of sense (try telling a doctor that, Ha!) I can definitely agree on the stress idea. I started feeling really bad almost immediately after taking all 3 of my kids to the ER on a Sunday because my daughter broke her arm. Hubby was out of town and we have no family in town. Were there for 6 hours. About 2 days after, I felt horrible and it was a month later that I was diagnosed. Coincidence? I think not. Re: Iron Supplements >Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2 >months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron >supplements. They don't know why he was early though. > >Here is another one of my theories: > >My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it >would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we >though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late >30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is >caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started >eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and >started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good >for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the >months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was >in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for >halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out >for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to >eat that bag as well and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate, >rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT. > >And another: >We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of >my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as >pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around >to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some >parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but >we did swim in it. and cook in it. > >And another: >Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late, >baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid), >trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put >him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold >him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week. >Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering >the inlaws . > >Well, this is long! > >:)Pam > > > > >> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements, >> >> J >> >> >> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements >> >> >> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68 >> >> >> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N. >> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine >> >> >> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal >> >Yourself, >> >> Random House, 1997) >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >> >-- >> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no >> >mechanism for >> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is >> >absorbed must >> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the >body >> >promotes >> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been >> >implicated by >> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also >> >increases >> >> the risk of bacterial infection. >> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all >microbes >> >require >> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to >> >secure >> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding >> >proteins >> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that >microbes >> >can't use >> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in- >> >creases >> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed >> >for optimal >> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess. >> >> >> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the >> >name given >> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than >> >normal. >> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are >many >> >different >> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin >B12 >> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which >> >increase the >> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron >> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause >> >fatigue, >> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably >> >twenty >> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of >them >> >are not >> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who >> >are not >> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. >Twenty >> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron >> >supplements >> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if >those >> >people >> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency >> >improves >> >> metabolism and immunity. >> >> >> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty >to >> >three >> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can >> >even be >> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken >> >orally or by >> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. >Studies >> >in >> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron >> >can be >> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron >deficient >> >take >> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are >> >given to >> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection >> >increases, even >> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of >> >negative >> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the >> >interaction >> >> between iron and zinc. >> >> >> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and >> >supplemental iron >> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance >for >> >zinc >> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc >> >that is >> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is >> >only >> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten >> >along with >> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do >> >calcium and >> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or >> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc >> >deficiency >> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large >quantities >> >of milk, >> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and >> >fibres which >> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly >> >depresses >> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is >> >extremely >> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by >> >aggravat-ing >> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being >> >> supplemented. >> >> >> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency >is >> >present, >> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for >> >iron >> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level. >> >Ferritin is a >> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common >> >sign of iron >> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of >> >ferritin levels >> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited >> >capacity for >> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more >than >> >twenty >> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken >as >> >part of >> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with >> >the >> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and >> >molybdenum; it >> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and >> >magnesium. >> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of >> >vitamin C >> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >> >http://mobile.msn.com >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------- >> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and >is not >> intended to replace expert medical care. >> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new >treatments. >> >---------------------------------------- >> > DISCLAIMER >> > >> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the >> endorsement of >> >the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Pam B. - Mine is almost 19 months - born 8/1. I took the iron most of the pregnancy, and for most of the previous pregnancy, too. None of mine were early (not that I didn't wish it sometimes!) I've heard a lot about that eat for your blood type book, I should at least check it out (I'm also an O). I like your theories, they make a lot of sense (try telling a doctor that, Ha!) I can definitely agree on the stress idea. I started feeling really bad almost immediately after taking all 3 of my kids to the ER on a Sunday because my daughter broke her arm. Hubby was out of town and we have no family in town. Were there for 6 hours. About 2 days after, I felt horrible and it was a month later that I was diagnosed. Coincidence? I think not. Re: Iron Supplements >Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2 >months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron >supplements. They don't know why he was early though. > >Here is another one of my theories: > >My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it >would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we >though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late >30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is >caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started >eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and >started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good >for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the >months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was >in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for >halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out >for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to >eat that bag as well and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate, >rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT. > >And another: >We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of >my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as >pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around >to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some >parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but >we did swim in it. and cook in it. > >And another: >Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late, >baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid), >trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put >him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold >him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week. >Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering >the inlaws . > >Well, this is long! > >:)Pam > > > > >> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements, >> >> J >> >> >> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements >> >> >> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68 >> >> >> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N. >> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine >> >> >> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal >> >Yourself, >> >> Random House, 1997) >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >> >-- >> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no >> >mechanism for >> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is >> >absorbed must >> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the >body >> >promotes >> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been >> >implicated by >> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also >> >increases >> >> the risk of bacterial infection. >> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all >microbes >> >require >> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to >> >secure >> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding >> >proteins >> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that >microbes >> >can't use >> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in- >> >creases >> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed >> >for optimal >> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess. >> >> >> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the >> >name given >> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than >> >normal. >> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are >many >> >different >> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin >B12 >> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which >> >increase the >> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron >> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause >> >fatigue, >> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably >> >twenty >> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of >them >> >are not >> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who >> >are not >> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. >Twenty >> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron >> >supplements >> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if >those >> >people >> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency >> >improves >> >> metabolism and immunity. >> >> >> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty >to >> >three >> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can >> >even be >> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken >> >orally or by >> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. >Studies >> >in >> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron >> >can be >> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron >deficient >> >take >> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are >> >given to >> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection >> >increases, even >> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of >> >negative >> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the >> >interaction >> >> between iron and zinc. >> >> >> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and >> >supplemental iron >> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance >for >> >zinc >> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc >> >that is >> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is >> >only >> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten >> >along with >> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do >> >calcium and >> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or >> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc >> >deficiency >> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large >quantities >> >of milk, >> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and >> >fibres which >> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly >> >depresses >> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is >> >extremely >> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by >> >aggravat-ing >> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being >> >> supplemented. >> >> >> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency >is >> >present, >> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for >> >iron >> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level. >> >Ferritin is a >> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common >> >sign of iron >> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of >> >ferritin levels >> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited >> >capacity for >> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more >than >> >twenty >> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken >as >> >part of >> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with >> >the >> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and >> >molybdenum; it >> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and >> >magnesium. >> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of >> >vitamin C >> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >> >http://mobile.msn.com >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------- >> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and >is not >> intended to replace expert medical care. >> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new >treatments. >> >---------------------------------------- >> > DISCLAIMER >> > >> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the >> endorsement of >> >the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 I didn't know that green salads and rice were bad for hypers. Did it say why? I understand the chocolate, because of the caffeine, but lettuce and rice? Holly Re: Iron Supplements Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2 months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron supplements. They don't know why he was early though. Here is another one of my theories: My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late 30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to eat that bag as well and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate, rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT. And another: We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but we did swim in it. and cook in it. And another: Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late, baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid), trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week. Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering the inlaws . Well, this is long! :)Pam > >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements, > >> J > >> > >> Dangers of Iron Supplements > >> > >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column <http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68> & id=68 > >> > >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N. > >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine > >> > >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal > >Yourself, > >> Random House, 1997) > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- > >-- > >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no > >mechanism for > >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is > >absorbed must > >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the body > >promotes > >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been > >implicated by > >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also > >increases > >> the risk of bacterial infection. > >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all microbes > >require > >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to > >secure > >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding > >proteins > >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that microbes > >can't use > >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in- > >creases > >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed > >for optimal > >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess. > >> > >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the > >name given > >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than > >normal. > >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are many > >different > >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin B12 > >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which > >increase the > >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron > >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause > >fatigue, > >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably > >twenty > >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of them > >are not > >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who > >are not > >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. Twenty > >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron > >supplements > >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if those > >people > >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency > >improves > >> metabolism and immunity. > >> > >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty to > >three > >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can > >even be > >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken > >orally or by > >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. Studies > >in > >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron > >can be > >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron deficient > >take > >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are > >given to > >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection > >increases, even > >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of > >negative > >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the > >interaction > >> between iron and zinc. > >> > >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and > >supplemental iron > >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance for > >zinc > >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc > >that is > >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is > >only > >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten > >along with > >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do > >calcium and > >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or > >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc > >deficiency > >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large quantities > >of milk, > >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and > >fibres which > >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly > >depresses > >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is > >extremely > >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by > >aggravat-ing > >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being > >> supplemented. > >> > >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency is > >present, > >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for > >iron > >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level. > >Ferritin is a > >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common > >sign of iron > >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of > >ferritin levels > >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited > >capacity for > >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more than > >twenty > >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken as > >part of > >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with > >the > >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and > >molybdenum; it > >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and > >magnesium. > >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of > >vitamin C > >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > http://mobile.msn.com <http://mobile.msn.com> > > > > > >------------------------------------- > >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > >---------------------------------------- > > DISCLAIMER > > > >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the > endorsement of > >the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 I didn't know that green salads and rice were bad for hypers. Did it say why? I understand the chocolate, because of the caffeine, but lettuce and rice? Holly Re: Iron Supplements Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2 months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron supplements. They don't know why he was early though. Here is another one of my theories: My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late 30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to eat that bag as well and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate, rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT. And another: We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but we did swim in it. and cook in it. And another: Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late, baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid), trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week. Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering the inlaws . Well, this is long! :)Pam > >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements, > >> J > >> > >> Dangers of Iron Supplements > >> > >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column <http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68> & id=68 > >> > >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N. > >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine > >> > >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal > >Yourself, > >> Random House, 1997) > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- > >-- > >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no > >mechanism for > >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is > >absorbed must > >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the body > >promotes > >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been > >implicated by > >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also > >increases > >> the risk of bacterial infection. > >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all microbes > >require > >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to > >secure > >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding > >proteins > >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that microbes > >can't use > >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in- > >creases > >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed > >for optimal > >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess. > >> > >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the > >name given > >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than > >normal. > >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are many > >different > >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin B12 > >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which > >increase the > >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron > >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause > >fatigue, > >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably > >twenty > >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of them > >are not > >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who > >are not > >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. Twenty > >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron > >supplements > >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if those > >people > >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency > >improves > >> metabolism and immunity. > >> > >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty to > >three > >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can > >even be > >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken > >orally or by > >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. Studies > >in > >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron > >can be > >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron deficient > >take > >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are > >given to > >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection > >increases, even > >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of > >negative > >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the > >interaction > >> between iron and zinc. > >> > >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and > >supplemental iron > >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance for > >zinc > >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc > >that is > >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is > >only > >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten > >along with > >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do > >calcium and > >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or > >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc > >deficiency > >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large quantities > >of milk, > >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and > >fibres which > >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly > >depresses > >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is > >extremely > >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by > >aggravat-ing > >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being > >> supplemented. > >> > >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency is > >present, > >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for > >iron > >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level. > >Ferritin is a > >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common > >sign of iron > >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of > >ferritin levels > >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited > >capacity for > >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more than > >twenty > >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken as > >part of > >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with > >the > >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and > >molybdenum; it > >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and > >magnesium. > >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of > >vitamin C > >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > http://mobile.msn.com <http://mobile.msn.com> > > > > > >------------------------------------- > >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > >---------------------------------------- > > DISCLAIMER > > > >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the > endorsement of > >the listowner. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to > ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease. > http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also the case? See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on. These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find... I just don't know. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Val, Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might be less difficult to digest. Terry > > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:04:20 -0800 > To: graves_support > Subject: Re: Re: Iron Supplements > > >> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to >> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease. >> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm > > > They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using > sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on > lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also > the case? > > See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me > with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any > dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on. > > These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find... > > I just don't know. > > Val > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement > of > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Val, Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might be less difficult to digest. Terry > > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:04:20 -0800 > To: graves_support > Subject: Re: Re: Iron Supplements > > >> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to >> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease. >> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm > > > They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using > sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on > lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also > the case? > > See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me > with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any > dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on. > > These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find... > > I just don't know. > > Val > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement > of > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Val, Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might be less difficult to digest. Terry > > Reply-To: graves_support > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:04:20 -0800 > To: graves_support > Subject: Re: Re: Iron Supplements > > >> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to >> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease. >> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm > > > They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using > sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on > lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also > the case? > > See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me > with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any > dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on. > > These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find... > > I just don't know. > > Val > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not > intended to replace expert medical care. > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments. > ---------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER > > Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement > of > the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > Val, > Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such > straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be > well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used > in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like > spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might > be less difficult to digest. > > Terry Well, it's not a problem with just digesting it, it's a full blown allergy to Gluten, (coeliac disease, like Elaine) those " older " grains, as much as I wish I could eat them, have gluten.. I grow most of my own veggies, and those I don't I buy from local organic growers so I feel pretty good about those things being pretty safe. I already feel like I'm in a bit a dietary straitjacket..although I do pretty well now..whenever I see a post though, telling me there is one less thing I can eat..I try to figure out how valid it might really be. Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac, IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes though, I'm your gal. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > Val, > Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such > straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be > well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used > in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like > spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might > be less difficult to digest. > > Terry Well, it's not a problem with just digesting it, it's a full blown allergy to Gluten, (coeliac disease, like Elaine) those " older " grains, as much as I wish I could eat them, have gluten.. I grow most of my own veggies, and those I don't I buy from local organic growers so I feel pretty good about those things being pretty safe. I already feel like I'm in a bit a dietary straitjacket..although I do pretty well now..whenever I see a post though, telling me there is one less thing I can eat..I try to figure out how valid it might really be. Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac, IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes though, I'm your gal. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac, > IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes > though, I'm your gal. > > Val I just might take you up on that. We were figuring out that in our circle of friends that there isn't anything we can eat :-( Between various food intolerances we have to be tricky when inviting people over for dinner hehehe. On top of that, I seem to be developing a MAJOR problem with carbs (ARRRGGHHH!!). Doesn't matter what kind of carbs, I get bloated and it is painful. SIGH! This on top of developing lactose intolerance. SO I gotta spend sometime experiementing with what I can eat, how much I can eat comfortably without the bloat problem and if I will survive it since I HATE being hungry all the time (which I am when I go high protein and why I damn near went insane on the Atkins diet those many years ago). C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac, > IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes > though, I'm your gal. > > Val I just might take you up on that. We were figuring out that in our circle of friends that there isn't anything we can eat :-( Between various food intolerances we have to be tricky when inviting people over for dinner hehehe. On top of that, I seem to be developing a MAJOR problem with carbs (ARRRGGHHH!!). Doesn't matter what kind of carbs, I get bloated and it is painful. SIGH! This on top of developing lactose intolerance. SO I gotta spend sometime experiementing with what I can eat, how much I can eat comfortably without the bloat problem and if I will survive it since I HATE being hungry all the time (which I am when I go high protein and why I damn near went insane on the Atkins diet those many years ago). C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac, > IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes > though, I'm your gal. > > Val I just might take you up on that. We were figuring out that in our circle of friends that there isn't anything we can eat :-( Between various food intolerances we have to be tricky when inviting people over for dinner hehehe. On top of that, I seem to be developing a MAJOR problem with carbs (ARRRGGHHH!!). Doesn't matter what kind of carbs, I get bloated and it is painful. SIGH! This on top of developing lactose intolerance. SO I gotta spend sometime experiementing with what I can eat, how much I can eat comfortably without the bloat problem and if I will survive it since I HATE being hungry all the time (which I am when I go high protein and why I damn near went insane on the Atkins diet those many years ago). C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose of PTU doubled today, this should be fun! NOT! Jody _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose of PTU doubled today, this should be fun! NOT! Jody _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose of PTU doubled today, this should be fun! NOT! Jody _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > > Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since > being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about > gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose > of PTU doubled today, this should be fun! > NOT! > Jody Yup, doing PTU 100-150 mg/day. Have to check into that. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > > Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since > being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about > gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose > of PTU doubled today, this should be fun! > NOT! > Jody Yup, doing PTU 100-150 mg/day. Have to check into that. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 > > Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since > being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about > gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose > of PTU doubled today, this should be fun! > NOT! > Jody Yup, doing PTU 100-150 mg/day. Have to check into that. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 The url is on the mediboard site...read everything under ATD's Jody _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 The url is on the mediboard site...read everything under ATD's Jody _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 The url is on the mediboard site...read everything under ATD's Jody _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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