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Pam B. -

Wow, I never made this connection until you said it! I was anemic while

pregnant too, and of course they told me to take all kinds of iron with

those prenatals. And I didn't start having any thyroid problems until after

the baby was born. Hmm...makes you wonder, doesn't it? With theories like

this, I'd like to hear your others!

Re: Iron Supplements

>Hi Jody, iThyroid.com has some info about iron as well:

>http://www.ithyroid.com/iron.htm

>

>Iron depletes copper and copper deficiency causes hypterT symptoms.

>

>One of my many theories about why I'm hyperT is that I was told to

>take so much iron while I was pregnant. That is when my hotflashes

>started, I think. Of course I have many more theories... none

>proven.

>

>:)Pam B.

>

>

>> Thought I would share this on iron supplements,

>> J

>>

>> Dangers of Iron Supplements

>>

>> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68

>>

>> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N.

>> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine

>>

>> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal

>Yourself,

>> Random House, 1997)

>> --------------------------------------------------------------------

>--

>> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no

>mechanism for

>> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is

>absorbed must

>> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the body

>promotes

>> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been

>implicated by

>> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also

>increases

>> the risk of bacterial infection.

>> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all microbes

>require

>> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to

>secure

>> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding

>proteins

>> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that microbes

>can't use

>> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in-

>creases

>> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed

>for optimal

>> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess.

>>

>> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the

>name given

>> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than

>normal.

>> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are many

>different

>> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin B12

>> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which

>increase the

>> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron

>> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause

>fatigue,

>> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably

>twenty

>> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of them

>are not

>> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who

>are not

>> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron. Twenty

>> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron

>supplements

>> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if those

>people

>> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency

>improves

>> metabolism and immunity.

>>

>> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty to

>three

>> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can

>even be

>> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken

>orally or by

>> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion. Studies

>in

>> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron

>can be

>> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron deficient

>take

>> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are

>given to

>> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection

>increases, even

>> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of

>negative

>> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the

>interaction

>> between iron and zinc.

>>

>> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and

>supplemental iron

>> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance for

>zinc

>> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc

>that is

>> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is

>only

>> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten

>along with

>> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do

>calcium and

>> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or

>> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc

>deficiency

>> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large quantities

>of milk,

>> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and

>fibres which

>> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly

>depresses

>> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is

>extremely

>> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by

>aggravat-ing

>> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being

>> supplemented.

>>

>> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency is

>present,

>> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for

>iron

>> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level.

>Ferritin is a

>> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common

>sign of iron

>> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of

>ferritin levels

>> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited

>capacity for

>> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more than

>twenty

>> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken as

>part of

>> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with

>the

>> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and

>molybdenum; it

>> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and

>magnesium.

>> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of

>vitamin C

>> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams).

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Pam B. -

Mine is almost 19 months - born 8/1. I took the iron most of the pregnancy,

and for most of the previous pregnancy, too. None of mine were early (not

that I didn't wish it sometimes!)

I've heard a lot about that eat for your blood type book, I should at least

check it out (I'm also an O). I like your theories, they make a lot of sense

(try telling a doctor that, Ha!) I can definitely agree on the stress idea.

I started feeling really bad almost immediately after taking all 3 of my

kids to the ER on a Sunday because my daughter broke her arm. Hubby was out

of town and we have no family in town. Were there for 6 hours. About 2 days

after, I felt horrible and it was a month later that I was diagnosed.

Coincidence? I think not.

Re: Iron Supplements

>Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2

>months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron

>supplements. They don't know why he was early though.

>

>Here is another one of my theories:

>

>My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it

>would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we

>though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late

>30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is

>caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started

>eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and

>started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good

>for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the

>months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was

>in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for

>halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out

>for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to

>eat that bag as well ;) and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate,

>rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT.

>

>And another:

>We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of

>my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as

>pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around

>to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some

>parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but

>we did swim in it. and cook in it.

>

>And another:

>Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late,

>baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid),

>trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put

>him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold

>him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week.

>Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering

>the inlaws ;).

>

>Well, this is long!

>

>:)Pam

>

>

>

>

>> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements,

>> >> J

>> >>

>> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements

>> >>

>> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68

>> >>

>> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N.

>> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine

>> >>

>> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal

>> >Yourself,

>> >> Random House, 1997)

>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>---

>> >--

>> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no

>> >mechanism for

>> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is

>> >absorbed must

>> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the

>body

>> >promotes

>> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been

>> >implicated by

>> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also

>> >increases

>> >> the risk of bacterial infection.

>> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all

>microbes

>> >require

>> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to

>> >secure

>> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding

>> >proteins

>> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that

>microbes

>> >can't use

>> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in-

>> >creases

>> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed

>> >for optimal

>> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess.

>> >>

>> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the

>> >name given

>> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than

>> >normal.

>> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are

>many

>> >different

>> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin

>B12

>> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which

>> >increase the

>> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron

>> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause

>> >fatigue,

>> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably

>> >twenty

>> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of

>them

>> >are not

>> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who

>> >are not

>> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron.

>Twenty

>> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron

>> >supplements

>> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if

>those

>> >people

>> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency

>> >improves

>> >> metabolism and immunity.

>> >>

>> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty

>to

>> >three

>> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can

>> >even be

>> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken

>> >orally or by

>> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion.

>Studies

>> >in

>> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron

>> >can be

>> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron

>deficient

>> >take

>> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are

>> >given to

>> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection

>> >increases, even

>> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of

>> >negative

>> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the

>> >interaction

>> >> between iron and zinc.

>> >>

>> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and

>> >supplemental iron

>> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance

>for

>> >zinc

>> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc

>> >that is

>> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is

>> >only

>> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten

>> >along with

>> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do

>> >calcium and

>> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or

>> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc

>> >deficiency

>> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large

>quantities

>> >of milk,

>> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and

>> >fibres which

>> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly

>> >depresses

>> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is

>> >extremely

>> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by

>> >aggravat-ing

>> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being

>> >> supplemented.

>> >>

>> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency

>is

>> >present,

>> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for

>> >iron

>> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level.

>> >Ferritin is a

>> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common

>> >sign of iron

>> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of

>> >ferritin levels

>> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited

>> >capacity for

>> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more

>than

>> >twenty

>> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken

>as

>> >part of

>> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with

>> >the

>> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and

>> >molybdenum; it

>> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and

>> >magnesium.

>> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of

>> >vitamin C

>> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams).

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> _________________________________________________________________

>> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:

>> >http://mobile.msn.com

>> >

>> >

>> >-------------------------------------

>> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

>is not

>> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

>treatments.

>> >----------------------------------------

>> > DISCLAIMER

>> >

>> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

>> endorsement of

>> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to

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Pam B. -

Mine is almost 19 months - born 8/1. I took the iron most of the pregnancy,

and for most of the previous pregnancy, too. None of mine were early (not

that I didn't wish it sometimes!)

I've heard a lot about that eat for your blood type book, I should at least

check it out (I'm also an O). I like your theories, they make a lot of sense

(try telling a doctor that, Ha!) I can definitely agree on the stress idea.

I started feeling really bad almost immediately after taking all 3 of my

kids to the ER on a Sunday because my daughter broke her arm. Hubby was out

of town and we have no family in town. Were there for 6 hours. About 2 days

after, I felt horrible and it was a month later that I was diagnosed.

Coincidence? I think not.

Re: Iron Supplements

>Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2

>months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron

>supplements. They don't know why he was early though.

>

>Here is another one of my theories:

>

>My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it

>would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we

>though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late

>30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is

>caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started

>eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and

>started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good

>for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the

>months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was

>in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for

>halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out

>for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to

>eat that bag as well ;) and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate,

>rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT.

>

>And another:

>We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of

>my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as

>pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around

>to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some

>parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but

>we did swim in it. and cook in it.

>

>And another:

>Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late,

>baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid),

>trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put

>him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold

>him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week.

>Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering

>the inlaws ;).

>

>Well, this is long!

>

>:)Pam

>

>

>

>

>> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements,

>> >> J

>> >>

>> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements

>> >>

>> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68

>> >>

>> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N.

>> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine

>> >>

>> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal

>> >Yourself,

>> >> Random House, 1997)

>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>---

>> >--

>> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no

>> >mechanism for

>> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is

>> >absorbed must

>> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the

>body

>> >promotes

>> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been

>> >implicated by

>> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also

>> >increases

>> >> the risk of bacterial infection.

>> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all

>microbes

>> >require

>> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to

>> >secure

>> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding

>> >proteins

>> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that

>microbes

>> >can't use

>> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in-

>> >creases

>> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed

>> >for optimal

>> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess.

>> >>

>> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the

>> >name given

>> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than

>> >normal.

>> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are

>many

>> >different

>> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin

>B12

>> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which

>> >increase the

>> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron

>> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause

>> >fatigue,

>> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably

>> >twenty

>> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of

>them

>> >are not

>> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who

>> >are not

>> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron.

>Twenty

>> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron

>> >supplements

>> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if

>those

>> >people

>> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency

>> >improves

>> >> metabolism and immunity.

>> >>

>> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty

>to

>> >three

>> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can

>> >even be

>> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken

>> >orally or by

>> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion.

>Studies

>> >in

>> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron

>> >can be

>> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron

>deficient

>> >take

>> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are

>> >given to

>> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection

>> >increases, even

>> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of

>> >negative

>> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the

>> >interaction

>> >> between iron and zinc.

>> >>

>> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and

>> >supplemental iron

>> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance

>for

>> >zinc

>> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc

>> >that is

>> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is

>> >only

>> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten

>> >along with

>> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do

>> >calcium and

>> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or

>> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc

>> >deficiency

>> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large

>quantities

>> >of milk,

>> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and

>> >fibres which

>> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly

>> >depresses

>> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is

>> >extremely

>> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by

>> >aggravat-ing

>> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being

>> >> supplemented.

>> >>

>> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency

>is

>> >present,

>> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for

>> >iron

>> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level.

>> >Ferritin is a

>> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common

>> >sign of iron

>> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of

>> >ferritin levels

>> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited

>> >capacity for

>> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more

>than

>> >twenty

>> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken

>as

>> >part of

>> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with

>> >the

>> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and

>> >molybdenum; it

>> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and

>> >magnesium.

>> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of

>> >vitamin C

>> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams).

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> _________________________________________________________________

>> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:

>> >http://mobile.msn.com

>> >

>> >

>> >-------------------------------------

>> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

>is not

>> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

>treatments.

>> >----------------------------------------

>> > DISCLAIMER

>> >

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Pam B. -

Mine is almost 19 months - born 8/1. I took the iron most of the pregnancy,

and for most of the previous pregnancy, too. None of mine were early (not

that I didn't wish it sometimes!)

I've heard a lot about that eat for your blood type book, I should at least

check it out (I'm also an O). I like your theories, they make a lot of sense

(try telling a doctor that, Ha!) I can definitely agree on the stress idea.

I started feeling really bad almost immediately after taking all 3 of my

kids to the ER on a Sunday because my daughter broke her arm. Hubby was out

of town and we have no family in town. Were there for 6 hours. About 2 days

after, I felt horrible and it was a month later that I was diagnosed.

Coincidence? I think not.

Re: Iron Supplements

>Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2

>months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron

>supplements. They don't know why he was early though.

>

>Here is another one of my theories:

>

>My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it

>would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we

>though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late

>30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is

>caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started

>eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and

>started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good

>for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the

>months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was

>in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for

>halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out

>for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to

>eat that bag as well ;) and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate,

>rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT.

>

>And another:

>We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of

>my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as

>pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around

>to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some

>parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but

>we did swim in it. and cook in it.

>

>And another:

>Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late,

>baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid),

>trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put

>him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold

>him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week.

>Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering

>the inlaws ;).

>

>Well, this is long!

>

>:)Pam

>

>

>

>

>> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements,

>> >> J

>> >>

>> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements

>> >>

>> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68

>> >>

>> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N.

>> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine

>> >>

>> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal

>> >Yourself,

>> >> Random House, 1997)

>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>---

>> >--

>> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no

>> >mechanism for

>> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is

>> >absorbed must

>> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the

>body

>> >promotes

>> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been

>> >implicated by

>> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also

>> >increases

>> >> the risk of bacterial infection.

>> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all

>microbes

>> >require

>> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to

>> >secure

>> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding

>> >proteins

>> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that

>microbes

>> >can't use

>> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in-

>> >creases

>> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed

>> >for optimal

>> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess.

>> >>

>> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the

>> >name given

>> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than

>> >normal.

>> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are

>many

>> >different

>> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin

>B12

>> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which

>> >increase the

>> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron

>> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause

>> >fatigue,

>> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably

>> >twenty

>> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of

>them

>> >are not

>> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who

>> >are not

>> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron.

>Twenty

>> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron

>> >supplements

>> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if

>those

>> >people

>> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency

>> >improves

>> >> metabolism and immunity.

>> >>

>> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty

>to

>> >three

>> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can

>> >even be

>> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken

>> >orally or by

>> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion.

>Studies

>> >in

>> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron

>> >can be

>> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron

>deficient

>> >take

>> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are

>> >given to

>> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection

>> >increases, even

>> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of

>> >negative

>> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the

>> >interaction

>> >> between iron and zinc.

>> >>

>> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and

>> >supplemental iron

>> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance

>for

>> >zinc

>> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc

>> >that is

>> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is

>> >only

>> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten

>> >along with

>> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do

>> >calcium and

>> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or

>> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc

>> >deficiency

>> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large

>quantities

>> >of milk,

>> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and

>> >fibres which

>> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly

>> >depresses

>> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is

>> >extremely

>> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by

>> >aggravat-ing

>> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being

>> >> supplemented.

>> >>

>> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency

>is

>> >present,

>> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for

>> >iron

>> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level.

>> >Ferritin is a

>> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common

>> >sign of iron

>> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of

>> >ferritin levels

>> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited

>> >capacity for

>> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more

>than

>> >twenty

>> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken

>as

>> >part of

>> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with

>> >the

>> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and

>> >molybdenum; it

>> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and

>> >magnesium.

>> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of

>> >vitamin C

>> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams).

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> _________________________________________________________________

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>> >http://mobile.msn.com

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>is not

>> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

>treatments.

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I didn't know that green salads and rice were bad for hypers. Did it say

why? I understand the chocolate, because of the caffeine, but lettuce and

rice?

Holly

Re: Iron Supplements

Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2

months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron

supplements. They don't know why he was early though.

Here is another one of my theories:

My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it

would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we

though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late

30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is

caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started

eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and

started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good

for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the

months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was

in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for

halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out

for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to

eat that bag as well ;) and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate,

rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT.

And another:

We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of

my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as

pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around

to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some

parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but

we did swim in it. and cook in it.

And another:

Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late,

baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid),

trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put

him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold

him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week.

Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering

the inlaws ;).

Well, this is long!

:)Pam

> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements,

> >> J

> >>

> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements

> >>

> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column

<http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68> & id=68

> >>

> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N.

> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine

> >>

> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal

> >Yourself,

> >> Random House, 1997)

> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

---

> >--

> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no

> >mechanism for

> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is

> >absorbed must

> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the

body

> >promotes

> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been

> >implicated by

> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also

> >increases

> >> the risk of bacterial infection.

> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all

microbes

> >require

> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to

> >secure

> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding

> >proteins

> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that

microbes

> >can't use

> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in-

> >creases

> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed

> >for optimal

> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess.

> >>

> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the

> >name given

> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than

> >normal.

> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are

many

> >different

> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin

B12

> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which

> >increase the

> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron

> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause

> >fatigue,

> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably

> >twenty

> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of

them

> >are not

> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who

> >are not

> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron.

Twenty

> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron

> >supplements

> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if

those

> >people

> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency

> >improves

> >> metabolism and immunity.

> >>

> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty

to

> >three

> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can

> >even be

> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken

> >orally or by

> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion.

Studies

> >in

> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron

> >can be

> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron

deficient

> >take

> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are

> >given to

> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection

> >increases, even

> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of

> >negative

> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the

> >interaction

> >> between iron and zinc.

> >>

> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and

> >supplemental iron

> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance

for

> >zinc

> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc

> >that is

> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is

> >only

> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten

> >along with

> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do

> >calcium and

> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or

> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc

> >deficiency

> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large

quantities

> >of milk,

> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and

> >fibres which

> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly

> >depresses

> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is

> >extremely

> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by

> >aggravat-ing

> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being

> >> supplemented.

> >>

> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency

is

> >present,

> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for

> >iron

> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level.

> >Ferritin is a

> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common

> >sign of iron

> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of

> >ferritin levels

> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited

> >capacity for

> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more

than

> >twenty

> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken

as

> >part of

> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with

> >the

> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and

> >molybdenum; it

> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and

> >magnesium.

> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of

> >vitamin C

> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams).

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> _________________________________________________________________

> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:

> > http://mobile.msn.com <http://mobile.msn.com>

> >

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to

emails.

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I didn't know that green salads and rice were bad for hypers. Did it say

why? I understand the chocolate, because of the caffeine, but lettuce and

rice?

Holly

Re: Iron Supplements

Hi , how old is your babe? Mine is 16 months. He was born 2

months early... about 1 month after I started taking the super iron

supplements. They don't know why he was early though.

Here is another one of my theories:

My husband went on the eat right 4 your blood type diet to see if it

would lower his cholesterol - we eat very low fat anyway, so we

though maybe it was the types of foods... plus he is only in his late

30's and he already has osteo-arthritis... which the diet says is

caused by potatos in blood type O's. So with this diet we started

eating salads every night in addition to the regular vegis... and

started having rice instead of potatos. Both are supposed to be good

for type A (me) so I thought I was doing a good thing... but as the

months went on (looking back) I was getting very hyperT. And it was

in October and I had bought a big Costco bag of chocolate for

halloween and over the month I ate the whole thing and had to run out

for another for the big night... which hardly anyone came so I HAD to

eat that bag as well ;) and now, reading on iThyroid.com, chocolate,

rice, and green salads in quantity are big no-no's for hyperT.

And another:

We went to Belize in March 2000, and I came home pregnant... Many of

my pregnancy symptoms were also hyperT but my dr. dismissed them as

pregnancy related. No tests were run... and I haven't gotten around

to ask my dr. about this yet.. but I'm wondering if I caught some

parisites in this third world country. We didn't drink the water, but

we did swim in it. and cook in it.

And another:

Stress... way too much of it while pg. House remodel that ran late,

baby that was early, inlaws got nutty about baby stuff(stupid),

trying to run a home business with a baby that wouldn't let me put

him down for the first 8 months of his life and still makes me hold

him for much of the day. Sept. 11th gripped me for more than a week.

Having a baby 3000 miles away from family... (good thing concering

the inlaws ;).

Well, this is long!

:)Pam

> >> Thought I would share this on iron supplements,

> >> J

> >>

> >> Dangers of Iron Supplements

> >>

> >> http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column

<http://healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=Column & id=68> & id=68

> >>

> >> Leo Galland M.D., F.A.C.N.

> >> Director, Foundation for Integrated Medicine

> >>

> >> (Author of Power Healing: Use The New Integrated Medicine to Heal

> >Yourself,

> >> Random House, 1997)

> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

---

> >--

> >> Iron is unique among essential minerals, because there is no

> >mechanism for

> >> its excretion once absorbed into the body. Whatever iron is

> >absorbed must

> >> either be used or stored and excessive storage of iron in the

body

> >promotes

> >> the generation of free radicals. Excess dietary iron has been

> >implicated by

> >> some scientists as a cause of cancer and heart disease. It also

> >increases

> >> the risk of bacterial infection.

> >> Except for the lactic acid bacteria like Lactobacilli, all

microbes

> >require

> >> iron for growth. Many of them produce special binding proteins to

> >secure

> >> iron from their environments. Humans also produce iron-binding

> >proteins

> >> which have as their role the capture of free iron so that

microbes

> >can't use

> >> it. An excess of iron overcomes this protective mechanism and in-

> >creases

> >> susceptibility to bacterial infection. The amount of iron needed

> >for optimal

> >> health reflects a delicate balance between deficiency and excess.

> >>

> >> The best known effect of iron deficiency is anemia, which is the

> >name given

> >> to a state in which the number of red blood cells is lower than

> >normal.

> >> Anemia is not the same as iron deficiency, however. There are

many

> >different

> >> causes of anemia, which include folic acid deficiency, vitamin

B12

> >> deficiency, disorders of the bone marrow and conditions which

> >increase the

> >> rate at which red blood cells are broken down in the spleen. Iron

> >> deficiency, when mild, may not produce anemia but may still cause

> >fatigue,

> >> im-mune de-fects or fungal infections of skin. There are probably

> >twenty

> >> million people in the U.S. who are iron deficient and half of

them

> >are not

> >> anemic. Wom-en with chronic fatigue and mild iron deficiency who

> >are not

> >> anemic improve their energy after taking low doses of iron.

Twenty

> >> milligrams per day is all that's needed, no more. Low-dose iron

> >supplements

> >> can cure people with recurrent boils on the skin, but only if

those

> >people

> >> have mild iron deficiency. Presumably, correcting iron deficiency

> >improves

> >> metabolism and immunity.

> >>

> >> It is unfortunate that most commercial iron pills contain sixty

to

> >three

> >> hundred milligrams of iron, far more than are needed or than can

> >even be

> >> absorbed from a single pill. High dose iron supplements, taken

> >orally or by

> >> injection, increase susceptibility to bacterial infec-tion.

Studies

> >in

> >> southeast Asia and in Africa demonstrate that even low-dose iron

> >can be

> >> harmful. When Indonesian school children who are not iron

deficient

> >take

> >> iron pills, they fail to grow normally. When iron supplements are

> >given to

> >> Somali nomads or Masai tribes-man, their rate of infection

> >increases, even

> >> though their iron deficiency is corrected. The high frequency of

> >negative

> >> responses to iron supplements in Africa and Asia may reflect the

> >interaction

> >> between iron and zinc.

> >>

> >> Iron in food or pills interferes with zinc absorption and

> >supplemental iron

> >> can aggravate zinc deficiency. The recommended daily allowance

for

> >zinc

> >> (RDA) is based on the assumption that forty per cent of the zinc

> >that is

> >> swallowed is absorbed into the body. Actually, zinc absorption is

> >only

> >> seventeen to thirty-five per cent and depends upon what is eaten

> >along with

> >> zinc. Starch and fiber interfere with zinc absorption, as do

> >calcium and

> >> iron. Lack of stomach acid, which may be caused by infection or

> >> acid-lowering drugs, also interferes with zinc absorption. Zinc

> >deficiency

> >> is common in Africa and Asia, where people consume large

quantities

> >of milk,

> >> which is high in calcium and low in zinc, and of starches and

> >fibres which

> >> inter-fere with zinc absorption. Zinc deficiency profoundly

> >depresses

> >> immunity and administering iron to a zinc-deficient person is

> >extremely

> >> risky. Not only does iron stimulate bacterial growth, but, by

> >aggravat-ing

> >> zinc deficiency, it weakens the immune system of the person being

> >> supplemented.

> >>

> >> No one should ever take iron supplements unless iron deficiency

is

> >present,

> >> with the possible exception of pregnant women. The best test for

> >iron

> >> deficiency is a blood test called the serum ferritin level.

> >Ferritin is a

> >> protein that carries iron, and low ferritin levels are a common

> >sign of iron

> >> deficiency. Like all laboratory tests, the interpretation of

> >ferritin levels

> >> is subject to interpretation. Because the body has a limited

> >capacity for

> >> iron absorption, it does not make any sense to administer more

than

> >twenty

> >> milligrams of elemental iron at a time. Iron should not be taken

as

> >part of

> >> a multivitamin or multimineral preparation. Iron interferes with

> >the

> >> absorption of the essen-tial minerals zinc, manganese and

> >molybdenum; it

> >> destroys vitamin E; its own absorption is blocked by calcium and

> >magnesium.

> >> Iron is best absorbed after a meal, with a small quantity of

> >vitamin C

> >> (between one hundred and five hundred milligrams).

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> _________________________________________________________________

> >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:

> > http://mobile.msn.com <http://mobile.msn.com>

> >

> >

> >-------------------------------------

> >The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and

is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> >Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new

treatments.

> >----------------------------------------

> > DISCLAIMER

> >

> >Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

> endorsement of

> >the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to

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> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to

> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease.

> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm

They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using

sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on

lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also

the case?

See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me

with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any

dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on.

These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find...

I just don't know.

Val

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Val,

Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such

straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be

well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used

in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like

spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might

be less difficult to digest.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:04:20 -0800

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Re: Iron Supplements

>

>

>> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to

>> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease.

>> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm

>

>

> They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using

> sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on

> lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also

> the case?

>

> See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me

> with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any

> dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on.

>

> These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find...

>

> I just don't know.

>

> Val

>

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

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Val,

Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such

straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be

well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used

in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like

spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might

be less difficult to digest.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:04:20 -0800

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Re: Iron Supplements

>

>

>> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to

>> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease.

>> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm

>

>

> They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using

> sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on

> lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also

> the case?

>

> See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me

> with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any

> dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on.

>

> These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find...

>

> I just don't know.

>

> Val

>

>

>

>

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Val,

Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such

straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be

well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used

in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like

spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might

be less difficult to digest.

Terry

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> Subject: Re: Re: Iron Supplements

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>> In large quantities. They contain CADMIUM which is, acording to

>> ithyroid.com a major contributor to thyroid disease.

>> http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm

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> They look at Germany and China. In the German example they site using

> sewage sludge as a possible reason for the higher levels of cadmium on

> lettuce. I wonder if I buy organic locally grown lettuce if that's also

> the case?

>

> See my problem is if I eliminated lettuce and rice that would leave me

> with corn as the only other grain I cold eat, and I can't have any

> dairy or eggs either so I need all the veggies I can get my hands on.

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> These examples don't site any U.S studies that I could find...

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> I just don't know.

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> Val

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> Val,

> Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such

> straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be

> well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used

> in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like

> spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might

> be less difficult to digest.

>

> Terry

Well, it's not a problem with just digesting it, it's a full blown

allergy to Gluten, (coeliac disease, like Elaine) those " older "

grains, as much as I wish I could eat them, have gluten.. I grow most

of my own veggies, and those I don't I buy from local organic growers

so I feel pretty good about those things being pretty safe.

I already feel like I'm in a bit a dietary straitjacket..although I do

pretty well now..whenever I see a post though, telling me there is one

less thing I can eat..I try to figure out how valid it might really

be.

Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac,

IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes

though, I'm your gal.

Val

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> Val,

> Just my personal opinion here, but I think if we all put ourselves in such

> straightjackets, we'd starve to death. Organic lettuce should be

> well-balanced nutritionally. Sewage sludge is awful stuff and is never used

> in organic gardening. As for grains, have you tried any of the others like

> spelt, quinoia, millet? I just wonder if some of these " older " grains might

> be less difficult to digest.

>

> Terry

Well, it's not a problem with just digesting it, it's a full blown

allergy to Gluten, (coeliac disease, like Elaine) those " older "

grains, as much as I wish I could eat them, have gluten.. I grow most

of my own veggies, and those I don't I buy from local organic growers

so I feel pretty good about those things being pretty safe.

I already feel like I'm in a bit a dietary straitjacket..although I do

pretty well now..whenever I see a post though, telling me there is one

less thing I can eat..I try to figure out how valid it might really

be.

Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac,

IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes

though, I'm your gal.

Val

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> Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac,

> IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes

> though, I'm your gal.

>

> Val

I just might take you up on that. We were figuring out that in our circle

of friends that there isn't anything we can eat :-( Between various food

intolerances we have to be tricky when inviting people over for dinner

hehehe. On top of that, I seem to be developing a MAJOR problem with carbs

(ARRRGGHHH!!). Doesn't matter what kind of carbs, I get bloated and it is

painful. SIGH! This on top of developing lactose intolerance. SO I gotta

spend sometime experiementing with what I can eat, how much I can eat

comfortably without the bloat problem and if I will survive it since I

HATE being hungry all the time (which I am when I go high protein and why

I damn near went insane on the Atkins diet those many years ago).

C

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> Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac,

> IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes

> though, I'm your gal.

>

> Val

I just might take you up on that. We were figuring out that in our circle

of friends that there isn't anything we can eat :-( Between various food

intolerances we have to be tricky when inviting people over for dinner

hehehe. On top of that, I seem to be developing a MAJOR problem with carbs

(ARRRGGHHH!!). Doesn't matter what kind of carbs, I get bloated and it is

painful. SIGH! This on top of developing lactose intolerance. SO I gotta

spend sometime experiementing with what I can eat, how much I can eat

comfortably without the bloat problem and if I will survive it since I

HATE being hungry all the time (which I am when I go high protein and why

I damn near went insane on the Atkins diet those many years ago).

C

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> Obviously it's more difficult with multiple things GD, Coeliac,

> IBS..If anyone ever needs gluten free, dairy free, egg free baking recipes

> though, I'm your gal.

>

> Val

I just might take you up on that. We were figuring out that in our circle

of friends that there isn't anything we can eat :-( Between various food

intolerances we have to be tricky when inviting people over for dinner

hehehe. On top of that, I seem to be developing a MAJOR problem with carbs

(ARRRGGHHH!!). Doesn't matter what kind of carbs, I get bloated and it is

painful. SIGH! This on top of developing lactose intolerance. SO I gotta

spend sometime experiementing with what I can eat, how much I can eat

comfortably without the bloat problem and if I will survive it since I

HATE being hungry all the time (which I am when I go high protein and why

I damn near went insane on the Atkins diet those many years ago).

C

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Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since

being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about

gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose

of PTU doubled today, this should be fun!

NOT!

Jody

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Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since

being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about

gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose

of PTU doubled today, this should be fun!

NOT!

Jody

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Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since

being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about

gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose

of PTU doubled today, this should be fun!

NOT!

Jody

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> Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since

> being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about

> gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose

> of PTU doubled today, this should be fun!

> NOT!

> Jody

Yup, doing PTU 100-150 mg/day. Have to check into that.

Jean

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> Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since

> being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about

> gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose

> of PTU doubled today, this should be fun!

> NOT!

> Jody

Yup, doing PTU 100-150 mg/day. Have to check into that.

Jean

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> Are you on PTU...I can't remember, but I have had that terrible bloat since

> being on PTU and a web site on ATD's that Doris has the url for talks about

> gasterous or something like that, side effects from PTU. I just got my dose

> of PTU doubled today, this should be fun!

> NOT!

> Jody

Yup, doing PTU 100-150 mg/day. Have to check into that.

Jean

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