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>

> I am new to this group- but not new to the journey.

> Recently I had been feeling lousy- depressed, fat,

> and fatigued- just like I felt BEFORE starting

> any thryoid meds.

>

> The shift came most likely between my doctor suggesting

> I drop from 5 grains daily (which I took with 40mcg of compounded T3)

> to 4 grains, since my period went AWOL ever since stopping

> prometrium months earlier.

>

> She thought that " excess " thyroid meds were binding estrogen...?

>

> In any event that was mid June, and by the end of July with

> the NT that I had been taken becoming " back orderd " I started taking

> COMPOUNDED NT.

>

> The drop in dosage PLUS the new formula I think made the symptoms return,

though by most experiences- people would think

> 4 grains plus 20 mcg T3 would be sufficient. AND- even with 5 grains my cycle

was only steady because of prometrium- 100mg used nightly on days 14-26.

>

> Anyhoo - I'll cut to the chase and share my latest bloodwork.

>

> TSH: 0.01

> TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> RT3: 23 (11-32)

>

> Im lousy at math - so not sure about the necessry conversions and ratios.

>

> Also- if EVERYTHING is low- is it still possible to have a RT3 issue?

>

> My recent protocal has been 75mcg T3

> (30mcg slow release + 45 mcg Cytomel)

> and Iodoral 25-27.5 mg

>

> I feel great- better than I have in aong while- but my doctor is

> converned about me not getting any T4 (drom desicated thyroid) and agreed to

write a script for ERFA.

>

> With the IODORAL I though that I would possibly get T4?

> Maybe I am wrong.

>

> Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks so much.

>

Just want to ADD- I did take cortef at 20mg- sometimes more for almost 3-4

months- then backed it down to 10 mgs and stayed there for awhile while I tried

to wean off several times. Finall did so about 3 weeks and feel good.

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TSH: 0.01

TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

RT3: 23 (11-32)

Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6 and

needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Hi Val- Thanks for the response!

1. Ferritin in the 220s. So no problem there.

2. I did a salivary cortisol having gone 2 days

sans cortef and the results were all in range.

3. All my morning blood work cortisol level are

within range too.

I have been taking RELORA- but my understanding is that

it can be used for just keeping cortisol normal versus

lowering my levels.

I thought the low TSH was normal for supplementing....

I guess not.

I did have a phone consult with Dr. Lowe and he really

thought that Cytomel only was a reasonable approach- though

of course my doctor is horrified by it.

>

> TSH: 0.01

> TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> RT3: 23 (11-32)

>

> Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6

and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Hi Val- Thanks for the response!

1. Ferritin in the 220s. So no problem there.

2. I did a salivary cortisol having gone 2 days

sans cortef and the results were all in range.

3. All my morning blood work cortisol level are

within range too.

I have been taking RELORA- but my understanding is that

it can be used for just keeping cortisol normal versus

lowering my levels.

I thought the low TSH was normal for supplementing....

I guess not.

I did have a phone consult with Dr. Lowe and he really

thought that Cytomel only was a reasonable approach- though

of course my doctor is horrified by it.

>

> TSH: 0.01

> TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> RT3: 23 (11-32)

>

> Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6

and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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> FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> RT3: 23 (11-32)

> Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio

> is 17.6 ...

Val, I'm confused. How did you get to 17.6? When I divide 221 by 23, I get only

9.6 -- and you told me my ratio was 11.6 because my F T3 was 291 and my rT3 was

25. Is that not correct? Was the 17.6 a typo?

Also, I just got my cynomel from Mexico (25mcg tablets), which I've been

swallowing with water. I've searched everywhere on the net to see if these will

dissolve sublingually -- does anyone on the list know for sure because they do

it that way?

Thanks for the help!

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> Also, I just got my cynomel from Mexico (25mcg tablets), which I've been swallowing with water. I've searched everywhere on the net to see if these will dissolve sublingually -- does anyone on the list know for sure because they do it that way?> > Thanks for the help!> > Hi ,I take my Cynomel sublingually sometimes. It takes a little while to dissolve, but it does work.

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> Also, I just got my cynomel from Mexico (25mcg tablets), which I've been swallowing with water. I've searched everywhere on the net to see if these will dissolve sublingually -- does anyone on the list know for sure because they do it that way?> > Thanks for the help!> > Hi ,I take my Cynomel sublingually sometimes. It takes a little while to dissolve, but it does work.

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I thought low TSH while taking meds was from the meds, too. Is it not? If

not, I'm confused.

(Is me asking this here hijacking this thread? PLEASE lemme know if it is!)

> >

> > TSH: 0.01

> > TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> > FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> > TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

> >

> > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6

and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

>

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I thought low TSH while taking meds was from the meds, too. Is it not? If

not, I'm confused.

(Is me asking this here hijacking this thread? PLEASE lemme know if it is!)

> >

> > TSH: 0.01

> > TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> > FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> > TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

> >

> > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6

and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

>

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I thought low TSH while taking meds was from the meds, too. Is it not? If

not, I'm confused.

(Is me asking this here hijacking this thread? PLEASE lemme know if it is!)

> >

> > TSH: 0.01

> > TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> > FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> > TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

> >

> > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6

and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

>

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wrote:

> I take my Cynomel sublingually sometimes. It takes a little while to

> dissolve, but it does work.

,

Do you need to chew it first, and shove the pieces under your tongue? Or can you

just put a half (or quarter) tab in one piece under your tongue? If so, how long

is 'a little while' to dissolve? Do you end up swallowing what little is left?

I've never taken anything sublingually, so I'm not sure exactly how it works or

what it feels like.

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Ha ha - you can HIJACK the thread- its all good:) You are in effect helping me -

by asking more questions- so hopefully Val will get back to us!

> > >

> > > TSH: 0.01

> > > TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> > > FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> > > TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> > > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > > RT3: 23 (11-32)

> > >

> > > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is

17.6 and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either.

What concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not

able to USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the

most common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> > >

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> > >

> >

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Either way- I suspect then Thyroid Resistance is absolutley correct- maybe then

its much worse- though I thought there needed to be a conversion in mumbers as

they are measured in different units.

I have been using Cytomel sublingually at times and sometimes shewing it (out of

impatience.

>

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

>

> > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio

> > is 17.6 ...

>

> Val, I'm confused. How did you get to 17.6? When I divide 221 by 23, I get

only 9.6 -- and you told me my ratio was 11.6 because my F T3 was 291 and my rT3

was 25. Is that not correct? Was the 17.6 a typo?

>

> Also, I just got my cynomel from Mexico (25mcg tablets), which I've been

swallowing with water. I've searched everywhere on the net to see if these will

dissolve sublingually -- does anyone on the list know for sure because they do

it that way?

>

> Thanks for the help!

>

>

>

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: How long did it take you to get your Cynomel from Mexico?

I ordered as well- once I spoke with Dr. Lowe.

Thanks :)

>

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

>

> > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio

> > is 17.6 ...

>

> Val, I'm confused. How did you get to 17.6? When I divide 221 by 23, I get

only 9.6 -- and you told me my ratio was 11.6 because my F T3 was 291 and my rT3

was 25. Is that not correct? Was the 17.6 a typo?

>

> Also, I just got my cynomel from Mexico (25mcg tablets), which I've been

swallowing with water. I've searched everywhere on the net to see if these will

dissolve sublingually -- does anyone on the list know for sure because they do

it that way?

>

> Thanks for the help!

>

>

>

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IN RANGE s nto where cortisol needs ot be and Relora has sent more than

ONE ot the hospital for low cortisol. It is a dangerous product! If you

can post your actual cortiosllabs with ranges maybe there is something

there.

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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YES thyroid meds DO supress TSH BUT only to a point. Look at my labs for

instance., I am on 125mcgT3 shoudl be enough to really supress TSH huh?

My last TSH was .015 When I see below that such as .001 OR lower then

500 FT3 and a TSH below .1 it is not normal supression but the body

trying to tell you it cnanot utilize this much thyroid, and thus also

telling you the RT3 CAUSE is still present.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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YES thyroid meds DO supress TSH BUT only to a point. Look at my labs for

instance., I am on 125mcgT3 shoudl be enough to really supress TSH huh?

My last TSH was .015 When I see below that such as .001 OR lower then

500 FT3 and a TSH below .1 it is not normal supression but the body

trying to tell you it cnanot utilize this much thyroid, and thus also

telling you the RT3 CAUSE is still present.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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Hi Val!!!!

YAY! Thanks for your sppedy reply.

I will have to see how my labs look with just the

T3 and Iodoral.

Maybe I was getting swamped with the

4 grains of compounded NT and not necessarily getting

anything from the slow release compounded T3- as

Dr. Lowe said often the compounded meds are questionable

in potency.

Seem plausible???

In any event I do feel remarkable different with

just T3 and Iodoral and look forward to progress.

Depression lifted- and I swear I already LOOK better-

the " BUHDDA BELLY " getting smaller....

>

> YES thyroid meds DO supress TSH BUT only to a point. Look at my labs for

> instance., I am on 125mcgT3 shoudl be enough to really supress TSH huh?

> My last TSH was .015 When I see below that such as .001 OR lower then

> 500 FT3 and a TSH below .1 it is not normal supression but the body

> trying to tell you it cnanot utilize this much thyroid, and thus also

> telling you the RT3 CAUSE is still present.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Hi Val!!!!

YAY! Thanks for your sppedy reply.

I will have to see how my labs look with just the

T3 and Iodoral.

Maybe I was getting swamped with the

4 grains of compounded NT and not necessarily getting

anything from the slow release compounded T3- as

Dr. Lowe said often the compounded meds are questionable

in potency.

Seem plausible???

In any event I do feel remarkable different with

just T3 and Iodoral and look forward to progress.

Depression lifted- and I swear I already LOOK better-

the " BUHDDA BELLY " getting smaller....

>

> YES thyroid meds DO supress TSH BUT only to a point. Look at my labs for

> instance., I am on 125mcgT3 shoudl be enough to really supress TSH huh?

> My last TSH was .015 When I see below that such as .001 OR lower then

> 500 FT3 and a TSH below .1 it is not normal supression but the body

> trying to tell you it cnanot utilize this much thyroid, and thus also

> telling you the RT3 CAUSE is still present.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Hi val:

You wrote this:

What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly.

I thought that having a suppressed TSH was normal when taking thyroid. M ine was

this level too before going on Cytomel and now that i've increased the cytomel

who knows what the level is?

WHy is that a concern? I've read and heard many people say the TSH doesn't

amtter at all.

> >

> > TSH: 0.01

> > TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> > FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> > TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

> >

> > Yes even wiht low thyroid levels you have an RT3 problem. Your ratio is 17.6

and needs ot be 20 or higher so it is not horrible btu not good either. What

concerns me here is youre lwo TSH. That is a sign that your body is not able to

USE thyroi dcorrectly. Either from weak adrnels or lwo ferritin as the most

common causes. I woudl certainyl test them before trying to correct the RT3

issue and raise thyroi dlevels.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

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I question the potency of ANY compounded T3 medications. It seems it is

a difficult thing for them to get right and only a few pharmacies seem

able to do it. I tried 5 differnt kinds of SR and compounded T3 and they

ALL felt like sugar pills to me.

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TSH: 0.01

> > TOTAL T4: 3.9 (4.5-12.5)

> > FREE T4: 0.7 (0.8-1.8)

> > TOTAL T3: 91 (97-219)

> > FREE T3: 221 (230-420)

> > RT3: 23 (11-32)

Yes taking thyroi meds WILL supress TSH BUT your levels ewven WITH the meds are

NOT high enough to supress it to this point. When you get FT3 to 420 I woudl

expect to see TSH where it is now. Thsi si telling me either your pit is not

functioning correctly ( unlikely) or your body is nto able to tolerate thee

thyroid (VERY likely) Usually this si from lwo cortisol or low ferritin.

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> ,> > Do you need to chew it first, and shove the pieces under your tongue? Or can you just put a half (or quarter) tab in one piece under your tongue? If so, how long is 'a little while' to dissolve? Do you end up swallowing what little is left? I've never taken anything sublingually, so I'm not sure exactly how it works or what it feels like.> > No I just put the whole pill or half directly under my tongue. It takes about 15 minutes for a whole pill to dissolve.

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Bummer- RELORA has made all my CARB cravings disapear!!

Example 1. Blood work drawn at 8am 10/22:

17.3 (4.0-22.0)

And I just had a tiff with some dude at the blood lab.

-----------------------------------------------------

Example 2. Blood work drawn at 8am 8/28

15.5 (4.0-22.0)

I am pretty sure I was still taking my 10mgs Cortef during this time- but did

not take it before the test.

---------------------------------------------------

Example 3. Blood work drawn at 8am 9/7 2007!!!! Before any meds.

9.7 (7.0-18.0)

--------------------------------------------------------

Example 4.. Saliva Test 2 days with ZERO cortef. 8/16/09

Morning 10 (3.7-9.5)

Noon 1.6 (1.2-3.0)

Evening 1.5 (0.6-1.9)

Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

When I first started cortef at 20mgs/day - for the first 4-5 weeks I swore I

found salvation!!! I lost weight finally- mind you- I work out every day and

eat " right " I am a (drug free) bodybuilder- so I am not someone who expects to

lose weight just because they take thyroid meds.

Then I came to a stand still- so I tried MORE cortef- up to about 30 mgs and the

carb cravings were out of control and I was bloated and gaining weight- all my

saliva tests were high- based on a scale for people supplementing- so my

Naturopathic Doctor claimed.

I back off to 10mgs (5mgs at 9am and 1pm) and stayed there for a long time.

Tried a few times to get off- but probably weaned too soon and felt tired...

Long story short- my Thyroid levels never really got stabilized and I seemed to

have hormonal imbalances that persisted.

>

> IN RANGE s nto where cortisol needs ot be and Relora has sent more than

> ONE ot the hospital for low cortisol. It is a dangerous product! If you

> can post your actual cortiosllabs with ranges maybe there is something

> there.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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