Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I'm having a heck of a time receiving The Daily Digest. I finally created a new Yahoo email just for the daily subscriptions. I got a weeks worth, then nothing. Today I received YESTERDAYs digest. If you are receiving The Daily Digest from SBD, would you mind posting it to the list for our other group members? Last month I created a Daily Dish Archive in our files and I'd like to keep that growning. With your help, I can continue that. Thank you so much! Donna Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 That was me. The tea hit the spot for awhile, but then I got into noshing carbs again. Just plain starchy stuff -- Cheerios, crackers. My stomach didn't feel hungry, but somehow I desperately wanted it. I also had a hard time getting warm, even after the tea; had a fleece blanket around me on the sofa and my feet on a heating pad. Next time I'll dress more warmly. I didn't think I was that cold, until about the last 10 minutes, then just chillier than I'd have liked to be. I'm still learning how to do cold-weather cycling. I can stay warm running, hiking, and cross-country skiing, but this is the first year I've tried winter biking.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Need help That wasn't me. Hot tea sounds about right to me too. If your stomach is saying no more, that's one thing, but if it's your mind saying it, then it might be messing with you. If you're really hungry, you might actually need to eat more. I find that my head and body actually have very different ideas.... Tilley > > > > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > > > > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > > > > Ellie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 That was me. The tea hit the spot for awhile, but then I got into noshing carbs again. Just plain starchy stuff -- Cheerios, crackers. My stomach didn't feel hungry, but somehow I desperately wanted it. I also had a hard time getting warm, even after the tea; had a fleece blanket around me on the sofa and my feet on a heating pad. Next time I'll dress more warmly. I didn't think I was that cold, until about the last 10 minutes, then just chillier than I'd have liked to be. I'm still learning how to do cold-weather cycling. I can stay warm running, hiking, and cross-country skiing, but this is the first year I've tried winter biking.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Need help That wasn't me. Hot tea sounds about right to me too. If your stomach is saying no more, that's one thing, but if it's your mind saying it, then it might be messing with you. If you're really hungry, you might actually need to eat more. I find that my head and body actually have very different ideas.... Tilley > > > > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > > > > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > > > > Ellie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Sounds to me like your body is seeking extra calories to help warm up. How about a hot bath or shower? And then if you still want carbs, have them! A craving that strong is coming from somewhere. Experiment! Abby That was me. The tea hit the spot for awhile, but then I got into noshing carbs again. Just plain starchy stuff -- Cheerios, crackers. My stomach didn't feel hungry, but somehow I desperately wanted it. I also had a hard time getting warm, even after the tea; had a fleece blanket around me on the sofa and my feet on a heating pad. Next time I'll dress more warmly. I didn't think I was that cold, until about the last 10 minutes, then just chillier than I'd have liked to be. I'm still learning how to do cold-weather cycling. I can stay warm running, hiking, and cross-country skiing, but this is the first year I've tried winter biking. Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Need help That wasn't me. Hot tea sounds about right to me too. If your stomach is saying no more, that's one thing, but if it's your mind saying it, then it might be messing with you. If you're really hungry, you might actually need to eat more. I find that my head and body actually have very different ideas.... Tilley > > > > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > > > > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > > > > Ellie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Sounds to me like your body is seeking extra calories to help warm up. How about a hot bath or shower? And then if you still want carbs, have them! A craving that strong is coming from somewhere. Experiment! Abby That was me. The tea hit the spot for awhile, but then I got into noshing carbs again. Just plain starchy stuff -- Cheerios, crackers. My stomach didn't feel hungry, but somehow I desperately wanted it. I also had a hard time getting warm, even after the tea; had a fleece blanket around me on the sofa and my feet on a heating pad. Next time I'll dress more warmly. I didn't think I was that cold, until about the last 10 minutes, then just chillier than I'd have liked to be. I'm still learning how to do cold-weather cycling. I can stay warm running, hiking, and cross-country skiing, but this is the first year I've tried winter biking. Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Need help That wasn't me. Hot tea sounds about right to me too. If your stomach is saying no more, that's one thing, but if it's your mind saying it, then it might be messing with you. If you're really hungry, you might actually need to eat more. I find that my head and body actually have very different ideas.... Tilley > > > > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > > > > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > > > > Ellie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Sounds to me like your body is seeking extra calories to help warm up. How about a hot bath or shower? And then if you still want carbs, have them! A craving that strong is coming from somewhere. Experiment! Abby That was me. The tea hit the spot for awhile, but then I got into noshing carbs again. Just plain starchy stuff -- Cheerios, crackers. My stomach didn't feel hungry, but somehow I desperately wanted it. I also had a hard time getting warm, even after the tea; had a fleece blanket around me on the sofa and my feet on a heating pad. Next time I'll dress more warmly. I didn't think I was that cold, until about the last 10 minutes, then just chillier than I'd have liked to be. I'm still learning how to do cold-weather cycling. I can stay warm running, hiking, and cross-country skiing, but this is the first year I've tried winter biking. Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Need help That wasn't me. Hot tea sounds about right to me too. If your stomach is saying no more, that's one thing, but if it's your mind saying it, then it might be messing with you. If you're really hungry, you might actually need to eat more. I find that my head and body actually have very different ideas.... Tilley > > > > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > > > > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > > > > Ellie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. Sandarah > >> > > >> > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > >> > > >> > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > >> > > >> > Ellie > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. Sandarah > >> > > >> > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > >> > > >> > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > >> > > >> > Ellie > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. Sandarah > >> > > >> > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > >> > > >> > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > >> > > >> > Ellie > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah.>Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed.I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days.I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between "maintain" and "gain" all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all.Ellie Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. Sandarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah.>Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed.I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days.I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between "maintain" and "gain" all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all.Ellie Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. Sandarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah.>Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed.I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days.I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between "maintain" and "gain" all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all.Ellie Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. Sandarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Yes, I think we would all like to be able to eat what we need, and not have to hassle about it, but the description of your dilemma makes me feel a little bit panicky, because it's not at all about responding to your body, but about second-guessing it. It involves much hassle, in the form of determining how many calories you think you might have burned biking, and how much calories you ate to replace that, and then trying to determine why you might still feel the need to eat even after having eaten what your head had determined was the right amount. A person who is trusting their body would simply have just eaten, and left off all that mental exercise over it. This is something I am struggling with, but it really seems to me like if we want to trust our bodies, we simply have to do it, and not try to be second-guessing everything. I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my " head " tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. I too exercise daily, and eat a lot, and the miserable year I did Weight Watchers, I lost weight whenever I was eating less than 40 points, when the stupid program wanted me to eat only 21. But that also led me to my current obsession with food, and my rather astonishing weight gain, which I am trying to undo by convincing myself that I really do trust my body, and not making any rules, or calculations, or anything about what I am eating, but trying to listen to my body, and eating when I am hungry, the things which sound the best to me, and stopping when I am satisfied. I KNOW that dieting doesn't work, and that restricting thoughts lead to food-obsession, and while I am not exactly happy to be overweight, I have to trust that this is the right thing to do. We have to trust! Tilley > > Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah. > > > >Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days. > > > I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between " maintain " and " gain " all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all. > > Ellie > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > > >Sandarah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Yes, I think we would all like to be able to eat what we need, and not have to hassle about it, but the description of your dilemma makes me feel a little bit panicky, because it's not at all about responding to your body, but about second-guessing it. It involves much hassle, in the form of determining how many calories you think you might have burned biking, and how much calories you ate to replace that, and then trying to determine why you might still feel the need to eat even after having eaten what your head had determined was the right amount. A person who is trusting their body would simply have just eaten, and left off all that mental exercise over it. This is something I am struggling with, but it really seems to me like if we want to trust our bodies, we simply have to do it, and not try to be second-guessing everything. I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my " head " tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. I too exercise daily, and eat a lot, and the miserable year I did Weight Watchers, I lost weight whenever I was eating less than 40 points, when the stupid program wanted me to eat only 21. But that also led me to my current obsession with food, and my rather astonishing weight gain, which I am trying to undo by convincing myself that I really do trust my body, and not making any rules, or calculations, or anything about what I am eating, but trying to listen to my body, and eating when I am hungry, the things which sound the best to me, and stopping when I am satisfied. I KNOW that dieting doesn't work, and that restricting thoughts lead to food-obsession, and while I am not exactly happy to be overweight, I have to trust that this is the right thing to do. We have to trust! Tilley > > Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah. > > > >Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days. > > > I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between " maintain " and " gain " all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all. > > Ellie > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > > >Sandarah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tilley, you seem to have gotten to an important 'fork in the road' on your IE journey - Trust Lane vs. Diet detour junction. For myself I see that at a choice between myself and 'experts'. Sadly many who start out with IE never get that far. Congrats and greetings from down Trust Lane - ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > Yes, I think we would all like to be able to eat what we need, and not have to hassle about it, but the description of your dilemma makes me feel a little bit panicky, because it's not at all about responding to your body, but about second-guessing it. It involves much hassle, in the form of determining how many calories you think you might have burned biking, and how much calories you ate to replace that, and then trying to determine why you might still feel the need to eat even after having eaten what your head had determined was the right amount. A person who is trusting their body would simply have just eaten, and left off all that mental exercise over it. > > This is something I am struggling with, but it really seems to me like if we want to trust our bodies, we simply have to do it, and not try to be second-guessing everything. I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my " head " tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. > > I too exercise daily, and eat a lot, and the miserable year I did Weight Watchers, I lost weight whenever I was eating less than 40 points, when the stupid program wanted me to eat only 21. But that also led me to my current obsession with food, and my rather astonishing weight gain, which I am trying to undo by convincing myself that I really do trust my body, and not making any rules, or calculations, or anything about what I am eating, but trying to listen to my body, and eating when I am hungry, the things which sound the best to me, and stopping when I am satisfied. I KNOW that dieting doesn't work, and that restricting thoughts lead to food-obsession, and while I am not exactly happy to be overweight, I have to trust that this is the right thing to do. > > We have to trust! > > Tilley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tilley, you seem to have gotten to an important 'fork in the road' on your IE journey - Trust Lane vs. Diet detour junction. For myself I see that at a choice between myself and 'experts'. Sadly many who start out with IE never get that far. Congrats and greetings from down Trust Lane - ehugs, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > > Yes, I think we would all like to be able to eat what we need, and not have to hassle about it, but the description of your dilemma makes me feel a little bit panicky, because it's not at all about responding to your body, but about second-guessing it. It involves much hassle, in the form of determining how many calories you think you might have burned biking, and how much calories you ate to replace that, and then trying to determine why you might still feel the need to eat even after having eaten what your head had determined was the right amount. A person who is trusting their body would simply have just eaten, and left off all that mental exercise over it. > > This is something I am struggling with, but it really seems to me like if we want to trust our bodies, we simply have to do it, and not try to be second-guessing everything. I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my " head " tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. > > I too exercise daily, and eat a lot, and the miserable year I did Weight Watchers, I lost weight whenever I was eating less than 40 points, when the stupid program wanted me to eat only 21. But that also led me to my current obsession with food, and my rather astonishing weight gain, which I am trying to undo by convincing myself that I really do trust my body, and not making any rules, or calculations, or anything about what I am eating, but trying to listen to my body, and eating when I am hungry, the things which sound the best to me, and stopping when I am satisfied. I KNOW that dieting doesn't work, and that restricting thoughts lead to food-obsession, and while I am not exactly happy to be overweight, I have to trust that this is the right thing to do. > > We have to trust! > > Tilley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I agree! If you think you are reacting to being cold, treat yourself to something really nice and hot like a warm bath or steaming cup of tea (which I see that you did) and then when you've settled down and are warming up, if you still want some carbs, have some carbs. Ask yourself if you're really hungry for the quicker play foods like the cheetos, or if maybe something like a serving of spaghetti with Parmesan cheese wouldn't satisfy you. I am experimenting with seeing if my body would respond better to more nourishing, "real" foods (without judgment for fun,play foods) these days, so it's on my mind.... Mimi Subject: Re: Re: Need helpTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 4:29 PM Sounds to me like your body is seeking extra calories to help warm up. How about a hot bath or shower? And then if you still want carbs, have them! A craving that strong is coming from somewhere. Experiment! Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I agree! If you think you are reacting to being cold, treat yourself to something really nice and hot like a warm bath or steaming cup of tea (which I see that you did) and then when you've settled down and are warming up, if you still want some carbs, have some carbs. Ask yourself if you're really hungry for the quicker play foods like the cheetos, or if maybe something like a serving of spaghetti with Parmesan cheese wouldn't satisfy you. I am experimenting with seeing if my body would respond better to more nourishing, "real" foods (without judgment for fun,play foods) these days, so it's on my mind.... Mimi Subject: Re: Re: Need helpTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 4:29 PM Sounds to me like your body is seeking extra calories to help warm up. How about a hot bath or shower? And then if you still want carbs, have them! A craving that strong is coming from somewhere. Experiment! Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tilley wrote: " I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my "head" tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be." I have found the same thing to be true. And it is difficult to trust these signals which seem so contrary to how we have lived our lives to this point. Today, I had part of the lunch I brought to work and didn't feel like eating the rest. An hour later, I really, really wanted a turkey sandwich from the cafe downstairs. Basically, I ate two lunches. And guess what? I don't feel over-full or guilty (for once). I feel satisfied and like I no longer have to think about food or what I will eat next. Similarly, last night I wasn't really hungry for dinner, which bewildered me. I was having a reaction to dinner time, but not experiencing physical hunger. I find that if I actually ask myself the question ("are you hungry right now," etc.), I usually do know the answer. Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Exactly! And what liberation that is! All that energy you can devote to other things in your life! > " I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my " head " tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. " > > I have found the same thing to be true. And it is difficult to trust these signals which seem so contrary to how we have lived our lives to this point. Today, I had part of the lunch I brought to work and didn't feel like eating the rest. An hour later, I really, really wanted a turkey sandwich from the cafe downstairs. Basically, I ate two lunches. And guess what? I don't feel over-full or guilty (for once). I feel satisfied and like I no longer have to think about food or what I will eat next. Similarly, last night I wasn't really hungry for dinner, which bewildered me. I was having a reaction to dinner time, but not experiencing physical hunger. I find that if I actually ask myself the question ( " are you hungry right now, " etc.), I usually do know the answer. > > Mimi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hey, Tilley, I love this post! You've hit the nail on the head. Second-guessing, eating what outside sources say I should be eating, then feeling puzzled or anxious when it doesn't feel right. "They" say that's what I need, why doesn't it feel right? Hm, well, maybe because "they" are not me?You have said it so very well.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Need help Yes, I think we would all like to be able to eat what we need, and not have to hassle about it, but the description of your dilemma makes me feel a little bit panicky, because it's not at all about responding to your body, but about second-guessing it. It involves much hassle, in the form of determining how many calories you think you might have burned biking, and how much calories you ate to replace that, and then trying to determine why you might still feel the need to eat even after having eaten what your head had determined was the right amount. A person who is trusting their body would simply have just eaten, and left off all that mental exercise over it. This is something I am struggling with, but it really seems to me like if we want to trust our bodies, we simply have to do it, and not try to be second-guessing everything. I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my "head" tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. I too exercise daily, and eat a lot, and the miserable year I did Weight Watchers, I lost weight whenever I was eating less than 40 points, when the stupid program wanted me to eat only 21. But that also led me to my current obsession with food, and my rather astonishing weight gain, which I am trying to undo by convincing myself that I really do trust my body, and not making any rules, or calculations, or anything about what I am eating, but trying to listen to my body, and eating when I am hungry, the things which sound the best to me, and stopping when I am satisfied. I KNOW that dieting doesn't work, and that restricting thoughts lead to food-obsession, and while I am not exactly happy to be overweight, I have to trust that this is the right thing to do. We have to trust! Tilley > > Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah. > > > >Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days. > > > I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between "maintain" and "gain" all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all. > > Ellie > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > > >Sandarah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hey, Tilley, I love this post! You've hit the nail on the head. Second-guessing, eating what outside sources say I should be eating, then feeling puzzled or anxious when it doesn't feel right. "They" say that's what I need, why doesn't it feel right? Hm, well, maybe because "they" are not me?You have said it so very well.Ellie To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Need help Yes, I think we would all like to be able to eat what we need, and not have to hassle about it, but the description of your dilemma makes me feel a little bit panicky, because it's not at all about responding to your body, but about second-guessing it. It involves much hassle, in the form of determining how many calories you think you might have burned biking, and how much calories you ate to replace that, and then trying to determine why you might still feel the need to eat even after having eaten what your head had determined was the right amount. A person who is trusting their body would simply have just eaten, and left off all that mental exercise over it. This is something I am struggling with, but it really seems to me like if we want to trust our bodies, we simply have to do it, and not try to be second-guessing everything. I have been surprised over the past months about times when I have been hungry when my "head" tells me that I shouldn't be, and times when I haven't been hungry when I really expected to be. I too exercise daily, and eat a lot, and the miserable year I did Weight Watchers, I lost weight whenever I was eating less than 40 points, when the stupid program wanted me to eat only 21. But that also led me to my current obsession with food, and my rather astonishing weight gain, which I am trying to undo by convincing myself that I really do trust my body, and not making any rules, or calculations, or anything about what I am eating, but trying to listen to my body, and eating when I am hungry, the things which sound the best to me, and stopping when I am satisfied. I KNOW that dieting doesn't work, and that restricting thoughts lead to food-obsession, and while I am not exactly happy to be overweight, I have to trust that this is the right thing to do. We have to trust! Tilley > > Hmmm, about being cold to the core.... I just realized that although I kept the fleece blanket and the heating pad all evening, I did not actually feel cold without them. I just felt better with them. So maybe wanting the extra food although I wasn't still hungry was sort of the same thing. Maybe I had just sort of depleted myself. It wasn't all that long a bike ride but it was pretty chilly. Thanks for bring that up, Sandarah. > > > >Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > I'm aiming for a goal. I'm trying to get a certain number of miles on my bike by the end of the year. Not because I'm number-obsessed but because it's an achievable challenge, provided the roads are clear and dry for about 6-8 of December's remaining days. > > > I do a lot of long-distance endurance stuff. I like it. But I tread a fine line between "maintain" and "gain" all the time. Eating is always an issue. I actually do need to eat more than most women my age and size because of my hobbies, but overeating and distorted eating is still a problem. I would so love to come to a point at which I could eat what I need when I need it and not hassle myself about it, and not want food when I'm not hungry. Wouldn't we all. > > Ellie > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Wow, I remember one camping trip where I got cold to the core. That's a literal thing that can happen and it took forever to shake off. No wonder you turned to food to try and warm up. Probably there was some anxiety connected to feeling that vulnerable to the cold as well. Another learning curve,perhaps. Congrats on having that much gusto re exercising though. I'm impressed. > > > >Sandarah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Tilly, If you were that cold for long, you not only were using calories for the biking, but also to keep you warm. My son is a runner, even done half an IronMan, and he frontloads carbs for several days before a race to get him through it. I'll bet your body just needed those carbs. I felt this to a slight extent on Sunday. My son and I walked several miles. It was invigorating. I felt really good because I've not been doing so great with my exercise. I thought that maybe I'd come out minus some calories. But then, half an hour later, I was starved! I know it was from the walking, my body balancing out the calories. In my work as a primary teacher, I've always found myself craving carbs in the afternoon to the point that I'd eat most anything with a carb in it. After learning from a nutritionist how much carbs and fats typically needed by a person of my size in a day, I began eating more for breakfast and lunch. I'd been attempting to eat too little as encouraged by the media, diet propaganda, etc. Now I no longer get that mid-afternoon intense craving to eat a box of ice cream or half a pie. It's wonderful! So, again, your body probably just needed it. Sara Sara > >> > > >> > I went biking (way cold out there) and although I had sufficient food during and after the ride I'm still wanting to go prowl around the kitchen for more even though I'm totally, completely full. > >> > > >> > Tea. Hot tea. I got cold out there. Maybe I need to get warmer, not fuller. > >> > > >> > Ellie > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I thought of that, too, that I must have used a lot of energy keeping warm. Even though I was dressed for the thermometer (and much more warmly than I would be for running) the physical reality was much colder because wind chill is always a factor in biking. I should have been better-prepared for that. As a backpacker I know that in cold weather you have to keep the calories coming in, and eat before hitting the sleeping bag to avoid getting cold during the night. Like I said, I've got to learn this cold-weather biking thing.Thanks for the input!Ellie If you were that cold for long, you not only were using calories for the biking, but also to keep you warm. My son is a runner, even done half an IronMan, and he frontloads carbs for several days before a race to get him through it. I'll bet your body just needed those carbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I thought of that, too, that I must have used a lot of energy keeping warm. Even though I was dressed for the thermometer (and much more warmly than I would be for running) the physical reality was much colder because wind chill is always a factor in biking. I should have been better-prepared for that. As a backpacker I know that in cold weather you have to keep the calories coming in, and eat before hitting the sleeping bag to avoid getting cold during the night. Like I said, I've got to learn this cold-weather biking thing.Thanks for the input!Ellie If you were that cold for long, you not only were using calories for the biking, but also to keep you warm. My son is a runner, even done half an IronMan, and he frontloads carbs for several days before a race to get him through it. I'll bet your body just needed those carbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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