Re: Stone age diets

[Guest guest]

Dear , You might see if you can find a book called NATURALLY HEALTHY

GROUMET by Margaret Lawson. I have ordered it from Amazon.com but have yet to

receive it. The reason I mention it is that my three " cured " or well friends,

however, you want to call it, two are macrobiotic and swear by this book and her

other one. I was instructed to get this as they are on my case that I am not

eating properly. I am really trying but like you, it is difficult not to

flounder when everything is not black and white or things plainly laid out. You

are certainly right, I think; this diet IS confusing.

Patten wrote:

> This is so confusing, this diet stuff. In general, so far, I find that I

> feel lousy when I eat meat or lamb. Chicken is not as bad, and although I

> eat chicken, I am stiffer in the morning though not as stiff as lamb or beef

> which I don't eat.

>

> My friend has been on this diet for months and feels great, although he

> doesnt have arthritis, but some knee problems. He has been trying to

> convince me to go on it. I tried it for a few weeks and found it very

> difficult to find things to eat.

>

> I am interested in others experiences with this or other diets. I know a

> lighter, more vegetarian diet is better for me, excluding wheat family

> (oats, rye, etc.).

>

>

>

> ----------

> , did you read this article that Liz found ? It provides some good

> reasons

> why the stone-age diet may be the one for people with autoimmune diseases.

> Ann

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, ,

It is not only the diet that is confusing sometimes, it is conflicting

information we receive. I see Dr. Atkins on an infomercial and buy his

book and see the post recently about arthritics not eating bread, potatoes,

etc. and think I am on the right track. Then I see Dr. Weil saying low

carb diet isn't a good one. So what do you do, stuff your Dr. Atkins book

in the drawer and go with Dr. Weil. Then another Dr. comes out with

another one, and you are left more confused than ever. I think I will

stick with the low carb for awhile. You can eat chicken, fish, certain

veggies and as much fat as you like, although I'm trying to limit pork.

Sugar is a no-no. So you could eat a Mcs without the bun. I am

just getting into this and don't know all the answers either but am going to

give it a good try.

I do understand what you are talking about though.

Bev

> Dear , You might see if you can find a book called NATURALLY

HEALTHY

> GROUMET by Margaret Lawson. I have ordered it from Amazon.com but have

yet to

> receive it. The reason I mention it is that my three " cured " or well

friends,

> however, you want to call it, two are macrobiotic and swear by this book

and her

> other one. I was instructed to get this as they are on my case that I am

not

> eating properly. I am really trying but like you, it is difficult not to

> flounder when everything is not black and white or things plainly laid

out. You

> are certainly right, I think; this diet IS confusing.

>

> Patten wrote:

>

> > This is so confusing, this diet stuff. In general, so far, I find that

I

> > feel lousy when I eat meat or lamb. Chicken is not as bad, and although

I

> > eat chicken, I am stiffer in the morning though not as stiff as lamb or

beef

> > which I don't eat.

> >

> > My friend has been on this diet for months and feels great, although he

> > doesnt have arthritis, but some knee problems. He has been trying to

> > convince me to go on it. I tried it for a few weeks and found it very

> > difficult to find things to eat.

> >

> > I am interested in others experiences with this or other diets. I know

a

> > lighter, more vegetarian diet is better for me, excluding wheat family

> > (oats, rye, etc.).

> >

> >

> >

> > ----------

> > , did you read this article that Liz found ? It provides some

good

> > reasons

> > why the stone-age diet may be the one for people with autoimmune

diseases.

> > Ann

> >

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[Guest guest]

Bev, I do the low carb diet. This past week I eagerly listened to Dr. Weil

on Oprah. I was disappointed in him. He made comments about the low carb

diet which were not correct, as did Oprah. O. said the diet was boring and

she craved bread. Anyone who craves bread on a low carb diet is simply not

following the diet correctly. I think Dr. Heller whom O. had on her show

said you could eat carbs at supper. I cannot. If I eat carbs at supper for

about 3 days in a row I develop food cravings for bread and doughnuts. As

long as I don't eat the sugar and starch I never crave anything. It works

for me. Weil whined about low carb diets not distinguishing between

starches which dont raise insulin levels as much as other carbs. He

mentioned small red potatoes. This a grossly unfair criticism of Atkins and

Eades. Both of these doctors' books discuss the value of carbs which

contain a lot of fiber. Weil showed berries and said that low carb diets

don't include fruit. WRONG! I eat berries or melon every day of my life. I

don't eat bananas and apples. I eat zuchini squash. I don't eat winter

squash. Why? Because I read the books and did my homework. Weil has

not!!!!!! I am so sick of half-baked, stupid but famous doctors who haven't

begun to read the research that is out there. Pardon my rant. Hope this is

helpful and gives you some encouragement in the morass of diets.

a Carnes

> , ,

> It is not only the diet that is confusing sometimes, it is conflicting

> information we receive. I see Dr. Atkins on an infomercial and buy his

> book and see the post recently about arthritics not eating bread,

potatoes,

> etc. and think I am on the right track. Then I see Dr. Weil saying low

> carb diet isn't a good one. So what do you do, stuff your Dr. Atkins

book

> in the drawer and go with Dr. Weil. Then another Dr. comes out with

> another one, and you are left more confused than ever. I think I will

> stick with the low carb for awhile. You can eat chicken, fish, certain

> veggies and as much fat as you like, although I'm trying to limit pork.

> Sugar is a no-no. So you could eat a Mcs without the bun. I am

> just getting into this and don't know all the answers either but am going

to

> give it a good try.

> I do understand what you are talking about though.

>

>

> Bev

[Guest guest]

Gena, I wouldn't argue with you a bit. I don't think all of us need low

carb diets. I just want good science and an honest look at someone else's

perspective. I know I seem to have an insulin problem and the low carb

thing really works for me in many ways. It controls my blood sugar, it

absolutely ends yeast infections which I used to have chronically. I no

longer have any edema and my blood lipids are so good the doc says I must

have good genes. I tell him, no, I just finally found a diet that is right

for me.

a Carnes

> Wow a,

> I found your message about Dr. Weil very insightful because I actually

felt

> the opposite about the show than you did. Diet has never made any

difference

> in how I feel whatsoever -and I tend to be on the othe side of the fence

> with folks that get a little annoyed or upset every time someone says ONE

> SPECIFIC DIET is the only answer for all illnesses and for each and every

> person. One example on this very list has been that some people have

> developed RA while after being strict vegetarians-while others get better

> from chronic illnesses while eating what they want. I'm glad that certain

> dietary changes have made a difference for you, but to me, he seemed to

make

> very balanced sense for normal healthy people, and , for folks like me

where

> diet has never made a difference. I tend to think that a lot of the other

> diet gurus out there do nothing but make folks become filled with fear and

> non enjoyment of what little they have left of life and to eat. You end up

> fearing and worrying about every littlle thing you put into your body and

> that in itself can't be healthy for one's healing. Just my two cents-I can

> see where you are coming from-but I still don't think diet is the answer

for

> everyone with these illnesses-Very Sincerely, Gena Castanon

> genaca@...

> Re: rheumatic Stone age diets

>

>

> >Bev, I do the low carb diet. This past week I eagerly listened to Dr.

Weil

> >on Oprah. I was disappointed in him. He made comments about the low

carb

> >diet which were not correct, as did Oprah. O. said the diet was boring

and

> >she craved bread. Anyone who craves bread on a low carb diet is simply

not

> >following the diet correctly. I think Dr. Heller whom O. had on her show

> >said you could eat carbs at supper. I cannot. If I eat carbs at supper

> for

> >about 3 days in a row I develop food cravings for bread and doughnuts. As

> >long as I don't eat the sugar and starch I never crave anything. It

works

> >for me. Weil whined about low carb diets not distinguishing between

> >starches which dont raise insulin levels as much as other carbs. He

> >mentioned small red potatoes. This a grossly unfair criticism of Atkins

and

> >Eades. Both of these doctors' books discuss the value of carbs which

> >contain a lot of fiber. Weil showed berries and said that low carb diets

> >don't include fruit. WRONG! I eat berries or melon every day of my life.

> I

> >don't eat bananas and apples. I eat zuchini squash. I don't eat winter

> >squash. Why? Because I read the books and did my homework. Weil has

> >not!!!!!! I am so sick of half-baked, stupid but famous doctors who

> haven't

> >begun to read the research that is out there. Pardon my rant. Hope this

> is

> >helpful and gives you some encouragement in the morass of diets.

> >a Carnes

> >

> >> , ,

> >> It is not only the diet that is confusing sometimes, it is conflicting

> >> information we receive. I see Dr. Atkins on an infomercial and buy

his

> >> book and see the post recently about arthritics not eating bread,

> >potatoes,

> >> etc. and think I am on the right track. Then I see Dr. Weil saying

low

> >> carb diet isn't a good one. So what do you do, stuff your Dr. Atkins

> >book

> >> in the drawer and go with Dr. Weil. Then another Dr. comes out with

> >> another one, and you are left more confused than ever. I think I will

> >> stick with the low carb for awhile. You can eat chicken, fish,

certain

> >> veggies and as much fat as you like, although I'm trying to limit pork.

> >> Sugar is a no-no. So you could eat a Mcs without the bun. I

am

> >> just getting into this and don't know all the answers either but am

going

> >to

> >> give it a good try.

> >> I do understand what you are talking about though.

> >>

> >>

> >> Bev

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

> Dear a,

> what diet do you follow?

I use Eades and Eades PROTEIN POWER. It is a paperback and sells for about

$6 I think their explanation and diet are slightly better than Atkins, but

it is basically the same diet.

I bought the Atkins diet book (Revlution) and

> then when I moved, I got rid of it. I wish I had kept it, but I got

> afraid of damaging my kidneys with ketosis. What do you think about

> that?

I think there is some problem if you have kidney trouble to begin with. I do

not think ketosis is dangerous, but most people don't stay in ketosis more

than the first month anyway. I know I am not.

Are you the correct wieght for your body?

No, I am still overweight. I don't stay in ketosis, probably eat just a bit

too much carbohydrate, but my blood lipids do stay in excellent range and I

don't get swollen ankles and food cravings. I would like to lose more

weight but staying low enough for me with my poor health and thyroid

problems is difficult. I can tell that the diet is good for me, but it is

no magic cure if you are overweight a lot unless you stay in ketosis for

several months. I am just glad to feel good now even if not my perfect

weight.

What do you think of

> macrobiotics?

I think the macro diet is great from what I hear. I guess I don't have the

will power to give up the meat, even though they eat some meat and fish. I

really like meat and dairy.

I would like to get off this craving of carbs.

I am sure if you follow PROTEIN POWER carefully for a week you will look at

a banana split and feel no longings. IT is weird and amazing but true. The

only craving you get is psychological, like at Thanksgiving you REALLY want

stuffing and pumpkin pie.

Yum,

a C.

[Guest guest]

a,

I appreciate the input. I saw Dr. Weil on Oprah too and was disappointed

as well. Oprah said at some time you will want bread. Well, I can live

without it already. Dr. Atkins says that on his diet carbohydrate

compulsions will fade. When you have a chicken salad or pot roast slice

instead of that sandwich you will want it less. Carbohydrate compulsion

isn't a character disorder but a condition called hyperinsulinism and you

have it because you've eaten the same unhealthy diet most people in our

culture have.

Then there is the sugar which now comprises 60% of the carbohydrate total.

Two hundred years ago the average person ate less than 10 lbs. of sugar a

year. Then about a hundred years ago, colas came on the scene and the

comsumption rose to 120 lbs a year. According to Dr. Atkins, the latest

figures from the Dept. of Agriculture statistics show that the average

American consumed 118 pounds of caloric sweeteners (principally refined

sugar and high fructose corn syrup) in 1975 and 152 lbs. in 1996. That is

190 grams of sugar (and corn syrup) a day. Compare that with the 300 grams

of carbohydrate the government expects us to comsume each day and we see

that sugar now comprises over 60% of the carbohydrate total.

The above information can be found on Page 42 of Dr. Atkins New Diet

Revolution Book.

I really don't understand Oprah's not being able to lose the weight when she

has a personal cook. I wish!

Regards,

Bev

> Bev, I do the low carb diet. This past week I eagerly listened to Dr.

Weil

> on Oprah. I was disappointed in him. He made comments about the low carb

> diet which were not correct, as did Oprah. O. said the diet was boring

and

> she craved bread. Anyone who craves bread on a low carb diet is simply

not

> following the diet correctly. I think Dr. Heller whom O. had on her show

> said you could eat carbs at supper. I cannot. If I eat carbs at supper

for

> about 3 days in a row I develop food cravings for bread and doughnuts. As

> long as I don't eat the sugar and starch I never crave anything. It works

> for me. Weil whined about low carb diets not distinguishing between

> starches which dont raise insulin levels as much as other carbs. He

> mentioned small red potatoes. This a grossly unfair criticism of Atkins

and

> Eades. Both of these doctors' books discuss the value of carbs which

> contain a lot of fiber. Weil showed berries and said that low carb diets

> don't include fruit. WRONG! I eat berries or melon every day of my life.

I

> don't eat bananas and apples. I eat zuchini squash. I don't eat winter

> squash. Why? Because I read the books and did my homework. Weil has

> not!!!!!! I am so sick of half-baked, stupid but famous doctors who

haven't

> begun to read the research that is out there. Pardon my rant. Hope this

is

> helpful and gives you some encouragement.

[Guest guest]

> a, Is there a specific diet you follow? Like one specific person,

etc.? I

> know no sugar, no wheat, no pasta which I get from this message..... :>)

PROTEIN POWER by Eades and Eades

a C.

[Guest guest]

a,

I have been on the no carbs, no sugar diet a week today and am walking

around IN my jeans. I am worried about the yeast also since I had the

mould infection in my ear and another fungus infection on my toenail which

says to me I have a problem. I was wondering if you eat fruit at all. I

wouldn't want to go too long without an apple or strawberries as we go

picking our own and they are so lovely.

I am giving this another week and then ease up a little. I do not miss my

morning toast, or mashed potatoes, or even the popcorn I used to have almost

every night.

Bev

> Gena, I wouldn't argue with you a bit. I don't think all of us need low

> carb diets. I just want good science and an honest look at someone else's

> perspective. I know I seem to have an insulin problem and the low carb

> thing really works for me in many ways. It controls my blood sugar, it

> absolutely ends yeast infections which I used to have chronically. I no

> longer have any edema and my blood lipids are so good the doc says I must

> have good genes. I tell him, no, I just finally found a diet that is

right

> for me.

> a Carnes

>