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Remember: No one can ruin your day without YOUR permission. Once upon a time there was an island where all the feelings lived; happiness, sadness, knowledge, and all the others, including love. One day it was announced to all of the feelings that the island was going to sink to the bottom of the ocean. So all the feelings prepared their boats to leave. Love was the only one that stayed. She wanted to preserve the island paradise until the last possible moment. When the island was almost totally under love decided it was time to leave. She began looking for someone to ask for help. Just then Richness was passing by in a grand boat. Love asked, "Richness, Can I come with you on your boat?" Richness answered, " I'm sorry, but there is a lot of silver and gold on my boat and there would be no room for you anywhere." Then Love decided to ask Vanity for help who was passing in a beautiful vessel. Love cried out, "Vanity, help me please." "I can't help you," Vanity said, "You are all wet and will damage my beautiful boat." Next, Love saw Sadness passing by. Love said, " Sadness, please let me go with you." Sadness answered, "Love, I'm sorry, but, I just need to be alone now." Then, Love saw Happiness. Love cried out, " Happiness, please take me with you." But Happiness was so overjoyed that he didn't hear Love calling to him. Love began to cry. Then, she heard a voice say, "Come Love, I will take you with me." It was an elder. Love felt so blessed and overjoyed that she forgot to ask the elder his name. When they arrived on land the elder went on his way. Love realized how much she owed the elder. Love then found Knowledge and asked, "Who was it that helped me?" "It was Time," Knowledge answered. "But why did Time help me when no one else would?", Love asked. Knowledge smiled and with deep wisdom and sincerity, answered, "Because only Time is capable of understanding how great Love is."

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In a message dated 11/30/2001 7:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Allicia21@... writes:

> Well just thought I would let ya'll know I have a job here at a local

> grocery

> store decorating cakes..pray for me that it works out ok...hope ya'll are

> doing well. I start Monday...lots of huggzz

>

> Allicia

>

Good luck Allicia. Before fibro I had been interested in decorating cakes.

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In a message dated 11/30/2001 7:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Allicia21@... writes:

> Well just thought I would let ya'll know I have a job here at a local

> grocery

> store decorating cakes..pray for me that it works out ok...hope ya'll are

> doing well. I start Monday...lots of huggzz

>

> Allicia

>

Good luck Allicia. Before fibro I had been interested in decorating cakes.

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In a message dated 11/30/2001 7:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Allicia21@... writes:

> Well just thought I would let ya'll know I have a job here at a local

> grocery

> store decorating cakes..pray for me that it works out ok...hope ya'll are

> doing well. I start Monday...lots of huggzz

>

> Allicia

>

Good luck Allicia. Before fibro I had been interested in decorating cakes.

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Allicia,

Congrats hon!! I hope and pray that you will do good with it. Try not

to push yourself hon! I hope you are feeling better girl. Take care

and I'll talk to ya soon.

Love and Prayers,

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Allicia,

Congrats hon!! I hope and pray that you will do good with it. Try not

to push yourself hon! I hope you are feeling better girl. Take care

and I'll talk to ya soon.

Love and Prayers,

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Allicia,

Congrats hon!! I hope and pray that you will do good with it. Try not

to push yourself hon! I hope you are feeling better girl. Take care

and I'll talk to ya soon.

Love and Prayers,

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<<

Well just thought I would let ya'll know I have a job here at a local

grocery

store decorating cakes >>

A lot of our grocery stores as well as Walmart, etc., use people that can't

do a lot of hard work or are unable to stand on there feet too long. They

also know pain when they see it and take care that the worker is taken care

of. At the door of our Walmart today they had a lady in a wheelchair

checking that people that come in to return something has ticket or what they

need. A job gives people back their self respect and give them a feeling of

being needed.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

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Irene,

Thanks for the kind words.....I am working for Marsh, not sure if you

have ever heard of that grocery store or not..huge chain in Indiana...Well

Thanks for everything everyone..couldn't have done it without ya.

Allicia

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Allicia21@... wrote:

>

> Well just thought I would let ya'll know I have a job here at a local grocery

> store decorating cakes..pray for me that it works out ok...hope ya'll are

> doing well. I start Monday...lots of huggzz

Hope your job is going well!

Darcy

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I was wondering if anyone had any info on the use of growth hormones to

treat our disease. I had recently talked to a friend who took it for

other reason but the things it did to his body and changed were all

things that would help us incredibly. So I want to know if anyone out

there has ever used it or has any other info on it. I did a web search

but that wasn't real helpful at all. Please let me know. Thank guys

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I was wondering if anyone had any info on the use of growth hormones to

treat our disease. I had recently talked to a friend who took it for

other reason but the things it did to his body and changed were all

things that would help us incredibly. So I want to know if anyone out

there has ever used it or has any other info on it. I did a web search

but that wasn't real helpful at all. Please let me know. Thank guys

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Hiya Nadine!

As for back pain, ask about your psoas and illiopsoas. I had a hell of a

time with these. They control lifting your knee, but insert right in the

lower back. I *thought* I had back trouble until I started working these

seriously and stretching them. I have found that they were a lot more of a

problem than I had imagined.

Stretches: Lie on back, hold knee and draw one leg up to your chest while

keeping the other straight on the floor.

Exercise: Rowing machine and try to do a full stroke. I usually take a

minute or two to warm up before I can (easily) get a full range of motion.

Don't overdo it. Start with a mile or less and see how it goes.

I've been doing both of these a lot for the last month and have noticed

quite a bit of improvement.

Hope all goes well for you.

Jeff

>I am almost a year from my m/m resurface and am a little disappointed.

After

>reading such enthusiastic respones on this website, I thought I'd have a

>better experience. I'm an ex runner and triathlete and went into the

surgery

>still quite strong and active from cycling , swimming , wt lifting etc.

I'm

>currently experiencing quite a bit of low back pain when I walk over 20

min.

>My operated leg became a little over 1/4 inch longer. So I got a lift,

>hopeful that would eliminate the pain, but it hasn't. Its true that at

least

>the hip doesn't hurt any more but it makes walking, still not an opion,

not

>to mention, running. I have a body wker massage me once a week, I 'm

>stretching like crazy, lots of yoga, etc, It feels to me like my body is

>totally out of alignment. As a result of the leg length change, and the

>tightness in the hip muscles from the incision which naturally pulls on

the

>spine and effects the entire body. I will cont. to stretch and wk on

>correcting this. but I want others to know that there are trade offs with

>this surgery, it is not a panacea. Has anyone else experienced similar

>problems and did they eventually go away. Is the flexibility and range of

>motion on the surgery side = to the other.? thanks for your ear and

>response, nadine

>

>

>

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Hiya Nadine!

As for back pain, ask about your psoas and illiopsoas. I had a hell of a

time with these. They control lifting your knee, but insert right in the

lower back. I *thought* I had back trouble until I started working these

seriously and stretching them. I have found that they were a lot more of a

problem than I had imagined.

Stretches: Lie on back, hold knee and draw one leg up to your chest while

keeping the other straight on the floor.

Exercise: Rowing machine and try to do a full stroke. I usually take a

minute or two to warm up before I can (easily) get a full range of motion.

Don't overdo it. Start with a mile or less and see how it goes.

I've been doing both of these a lot for the last month and have noticed

quite a bit of improvement.

Hope all goes well for you.

Jeff

>I am almost a year from my m/m resurface and am a little disappointed.

After

>reading such enthusiastic respones on this website, I thought I'd have a

>better experience. I'm an ex runner and triathlete and went into the

surgery

>still quite strong and active from cycling , swimming , wt lifting etc.

I'm

>currently experiencing quite a bit of low back pain when I walk over 20

min.

>My operated leg became a little over 1/4 inch longer. So I got a lift,

>hopeful that would eliminate the pain, but it hasn't. Its true that at

least

>the hip doesn't hurt any more but it makes walking, still not an opion,

not

>to mention, running. I have a body wker massage me once a week, I 'm

>stretching like crazy, lots of yoga, etc, It feels to me like my body is

>totally out of alignment. As a result of the leg length change, and the

>tightness in the hip muscles from the incision which naturally pulls on

the

>spine and effects the entire body. I will cont. to stretch and wk on

>correcting this. but I want others to know that there are trade offs with

>this surgery, it is not a panacea. Has anyone else experienced similar

>problems and did they eventually go away. Is the flexibility and range of

>motion on the surgery side = to the other.? thanks for your ear and

>response, nadine

>

>

>

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  • 1 year later...

BTW, I forgot to indicate that he has been barely eating--BRAT mostly. He

did have some potato soup but was neauseous afterwards, so afraid to eat..

Another thing, after every BM, he has been having these terrible

" chills " and just shakes for 5 minutes. I remember Bert, when he was so

sick, was pilled high with blankets, because he was so cold after a chemo

treatment--but my brother hasn't had any chem or radiation since 2/19!

Thanks,

betty

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Thanks so much for the reply. I really appreciate it. One possibility

they think is that the nickel bridges put in my mouth had VERY high

electrical currents, measured over 350. He said that was off the charts. The

arsenic

in my red blood cell mineral analysis was 99th percentile. WHERE in the

heck am I getting arsenic? I did eat a lot of shellfish for a long long time.

I am a fast metabolizer. I knew that for sure. The overproduction of

adrenaline is what has perplexed me. They thought at first I had an adrenal

tumor (pheochromocytoma) but I was negative for that. Mornings it is all I

can do to get out of bed as I am shaking, trembling and very fearful.

I did test positive for stachybotrys black mold exposure so that could

have screwed up the adrenals. Thanks SO MUCH for your input.

Bill

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,

Thanks so much for the reply. I really appreciate it. One possibility

they think is that the nickel bridges put in my mouth had VERY high

electrical currents, measured over 350. He said that was off the charts. The

arsenic

in my red blood cell mineral analysis was 99th percentile. WHERE in the

heck am I getting arsenic? I did eat a lot of shellfish for a long long time.

I am a fast metabolizer. I knew that for sure. The overproduction of

adrenaline is what has perplexed me. They thought at first I had an adrenal

tumor (pheochromocytoma) but I was negative for that. Mornings it is all I

can do to get out of bed as I am shaking, trembling and very fearful.

I did test positive for stachybotrys black mold exposure so that could

have screwed up the adrenals. Thanks SO MUCH for your input.

Bill

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I have spent over $30,000. Would it be possible for me to ask you a few

questions. If not, I understand but I am just so confused at this point.

Bill

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I have spent over $30,000. Would it be possible for me to ask you a few

questions. If not, I understand but I am just so confused at this point.

Bill

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I have spent over $30,000. Would it be possible for me to ask you a few

questions. If not, I understand but I am just so confused at this point.

Bill

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>

> These are my results. I would appreciate any input. THANKS SO MUCH.

> Someone said I did not meet the counting rules for mercury. My

boron is off the

> charts. I am so confused on this.

>

> Bill

You do not meet the counting rules. You could still be

mercury toxic. You do have some lead and arsenic,

and those could be causing problems. The lead doesn't

look that high, but Andy says even in low yellow it

could be causing problems. The arsenic looks fairly

significant. DMSA is best for lead and ALA is best for

arsenic. Both will chelate mercury if it is present.

The high boron confuses me a bit. One possibility is

hair test contamination from boron in a borax-based

laundry or soap, or flame retardant chemical. Another

possibility is you have been exposed to a lot of boron

from a similar source and absorbed it. It is worth

considering those possibilities. Flame retardant

clothing/bedding that explicitly does not contain

antimony may use boron instead.

When mineral transport is deranged, boron can become

elevated even though it is not really high in the body.

Usually there would be some other sign of mineral

transport derangement on the hair test. Your test is

not even close on the counting rules and none of the

elevated elements raises suspicion on this front.

However, I do not think it is a normal test. Many

essentials are in white - I find that odd.

Sorry I can't be more definitive about this test.

I think mercury could be there, but I can't find

anything in Andy's book to really support this

based on the hair test. Old exposure and/or

interventions (diet/supps/etc) can result in a

better-looking test.

Your pattern of Ca/Mg/Na/K is very suggestive of

adrenal problems of the type with over-production

of adrenaline and under-production of cortisol.

Adrenal support is helpful for many people.

Your Ca/K, Na/Mg, and Ca/P ratios in combination

suggest impaired immune function. Andy's book

recommends thymus glandular for this.

You are a fast metabolizer, so digestive enzymes,

high fat diet, and vitamin D are recommended.

Let me know if you have questions.

--

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> ==============================================

> aluminum 2,6 < 7.0 green

> antimony 0.097 < .066 yellow

> arsenic 0.19 < .080 yellow

> beryllium <0.01 < .020 no line

> bismuth .19 < .060 green

> cadmium .012 < .15 green

> lead 2.1 < 2.0 yellow

> mercury 0.97 < 1.1 green

> platinum .003 < .005 no line

> thallium < .001 < .010 no line

> thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> uranium .029 < .060 no line

> nickel .11 < .40 green

> silver .04 < .12 green

> tin .14 < .30 green

> titanium .40 < 1.0 green

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 149 200-750 white under 50%

> Magnesium 19 25-75 white under 50%

> Sodium 96 12-90 green over 50%

> Potassium 91 9-40 yellow over 50%

> Copper 11 10-28 white under 50%

> Zinc 160 130-200 white under 50%

> Manganese 0.06 0.15-0.65 white under 50%

> Chromium 0.33 0.20-0.40 green over 50%

> Vanadium 0.036 0.018-0.065 green over 50%

> Molybdenum 0.045 0.025-0.064 green over 50%

> Boron 15 0.40-3.0 pink over 50%

> Iodine 0.32 0.25-1.3 white under 50%

> Lithium 0.051 0.007-0.023 yellow over 50%

> Phosphorus 183 160-250 white under 50%

> Selenium 0.68 0.95-1.7 white under 50%

> Strontium 0.46 0.30-3.5 white under 50%

> Sulfur 49100 44500-52000 green over 50%

> Barium 0.17 0.16-1.6 white under 50%

> Cobalt 0.002 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> Iron 16 8.0-19 white under 50%

> Germanium 0.034 0.045-0.065 white under 50%

> Rubidium 0.067 0.011-0.12 green over 50%

> Zirconium 0.16 0.020-0.44 green over 50%

>

>

>

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> These are my results. I would appreciate any input. THANKS SO MUCH.

> Someone said I did not meet the counting rules for mercury. My

boron is off the

> charts. I am so confused on this.

>

> Bill

You do not meet the counting rules. You could still be

mercury toxic. You do have some lead and arsenic,

and those could be causing problems. The lead doesn't

look that high, but Andy says even in low yellow it

could be causing problems. The arsenic looks fairly

significant. DMSA is best for lead and ALA is best for

arsenic. Both will chelate mercury if it is present.

The high boron confuses me a bit. One possibility is

hair test contamination from boron in a borax-based

laundry or soap, or flame retardant chemical. Another

possibility is you have been exposed to a lot of boron

from a similar source and absorbed it. It is worth

considering those possibilities. Flame retardant

clothing/bedding that explicitly does not contain

antimony may use boron instead.

When mineral transport is deranged, boron can become

elevated even though it is not really high in the body.

Usually there would be some other sign of mineral

transport derangement on the hair test. Your test is

not even close on the counting rules and none of the

elevated elements raises suspicion on this front.

However, I do not think it is a normal test. Many

essentials are in white - I find that odd.

Sorry I can't be more definitive about this test.

I think mercury could be there, but I can't find

anything in Andy's book to really support this

based on the hair test. Old exposure and/or

interventions (diet/supps/etc) can result in a

better-looking test.

Your pattern of Ca/Mg/Na/K is very suggestive of

adrenal problems of the type with over-production

of adrenaline and under-production of cortisol.

Adrenal support is helpful for many people.

Your Ca/K, Na/Mg, and Ca/P ratios in combination

suggest impaired immune function. Andy's book

recommends thymus glandular for this.

You are a fast metabolizer, so digestive enzymes,

high fat diet, and vitamin D are recommended.

Let me know if you have questions.

--

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> ==============================================

> aluminum 2,6 < 7.0 green

> antimony 0.097 < .066 yellow

> arsenic 0.19 < .080 yellow

> beryllium <0.01 < .020 no line

> bismuth .19 < .060 green

> cadmium .012 < .15 green

> lead 2.1 < 2.0 yellow

> mercury 0.97 < 1.1 green

> platinum .003 < .005 no line

> thallium < .001 < .010 no line

> thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> uranium .029 < .060 no line

> nickel .11 < .40 green

> silver .04 < .12 green

> tin .14 < .30 green

> titanium .40 < 1.0 green

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 149 200-750 white under 50%

> Magnesium 19 25-75 white under 50%

> Sodium 96 12-90 green over 50%

> Potassium 91 9-40 yellow over 50%

> Copper 11 10-28 white under 50%

> Zinc 160 130-200 white under 50%

> Manganese 0.06 0.15-0.65 white under 50%

> Chromium 0.33 0.20-0.40 green over 50%

> Vanadium 0.036 0.018-0.065 green over 50%

> Molybdenum 0.045 0.025-0.064 green over 50%

> Boron 15 0.40-3.0 pink over 50%

> Iodine 0.32 0.25-1.3 white under 50%

> Lithium 0.051 0.007-0.023 yellow over 50%

> Phosphorus 183 160-250 white under 50%

> Selenium 0.68 0.95-1.7 white under 50%

> Strontium 0.46 0.30-3.5 white under 50%

> Sulfur 49100 44500-52000 green over 50%

> Barium 0.17 0.16-1.6 white under 50%

> Cobalt 0.002 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> Iron 16 8.0-19 white under 50%

> Germanium 0.034 0.045-0.065 white under 50%

> Rubidium 0.067 0.011-0.12 green over 50%

> Zirconium 0.16 0.020-0.44 green over 50%

>

>

>

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> These are my results. I would appreciate any input. THANKS SO MUCH.

> Someone said I did not meet the counting rules for mercury. My

boron is off the

> charts. I am so confused on this.

>

> Bill

You do not meet the counting rules. You could still be

mercury toxic. You do have some lead and arsenic,

and those could be causing problems. The lead doesn't

look that high, but Andy says even in low yellow it

could be causing problems. The arsenic looks fairly

significant. DMSA is best for lead and ALA is best for

arsenic. Both will chelate mercury if it is present.

The high boron confuses me a bit. One possibility is

hair test contamination from boron in a borax-based

laundry or soap, or flame retardant chemical. Another

possibility is you have been exposed to a lot of boron

from a similar source and absorbed it. It is worth

considering those possibilities. Flame retardant

clothing/bedding that explicitly does not contain

antimony may use boron instead.

When mineral transport is deranged, boron can become

elevated even though it is not really high in the body.

Usually there would be some other sign of mineral

transport derangement on the hair test. Your test is

not even close on the counting rules and none of the

elevated elements raises suspicion on this front.

However, I do not think it is a normal test. Many

essentials are in white - I find that odd.

Sorry I can't be more definitive about this test.

I think mercury could be there, but I can't find

anything in Andy's book to really support this

based on the hair test. Old exposure and/or

interventions (diet/supps/etc) can result in a

better-looking test.

Your pattern of Ca/Mg/Na/K is very suggestive of

adrenal problems of the type with over-production

of adrenaline and under-production of cortisol.

Adrenal support is helpful for many people.

Your Ca/K, Na/Mg, and Ca/P ratios in combination

suggest impaired immune function. Andy's book

recommends thymus glandular for this.

You are a fast metabolizer, so digestive enzymes,

high fat diet, and vitamin D are recommended.

Let me know if you have questions.

--

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> ==============================================

> aluminum 2,6 < 7.0 green

> antimony 0.097 < .066 yellow

> arsenic 0.19 < .080 yellow

> beryllium <0.01 < .020 no line

> bismuth .19 < .060 green

> cadmium .012 < .15 green

> lead 2.1 < 2.0 yellow

> mercury 0.97 < 1.1 green

> platinum .003 < .005 no line

> thallium < .001 < .010 no line

> thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> uranium .029 < .060 no line

> nickel .11 < .40 green

> silver .04 < .12 green

> tin .14 < .30 green

> titanium .40 < 1.0 green

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 149 200-750 white under 50%

> Magnesium 19 25-75 white under 50%

> Sodium 96 12-90 green over 50%

> Potassium 91 9-40 yellow over 50%

> Copper 11 10-28 white under 50%

> Zinc 160 130-200 white under 50%

> Manganese 0.06 0.15-0.65 white under 50%

> Chromium 0.33 0.20-0.40 green over 50%

> Vanadium 0.036 0.018-0.065 green over 50%

> Molybdenum 0.045 0.025-0.064 green over 50%

> Boron 15 0.40-3.0 pink over 50%

> Iodine 0.32 0.25-1.3 white under 50%

> Lithium 0.051 0.007-0.023 yellow over 50%

> Phosphorus 183 160-250 white under 50%

> Selenium 0.68 0.95-1.7 white under 50%

> Strontium 0.46 0.30-3.5 white under 50%

> Sulfur 49100 44500-52000 green over 50%

> Barium 0.17 0.16-1.6 white under 50%

> Cobalt 0.002 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> Iron 16 8.0-19 white under 50%

> Germanium 0.034 0.045-0.065 white under 50%

> Rubidium 0.067 0.011-0.12 green over 50%

> Zirconium 0.16 0.020-0.44 green over 50%

>

>

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> ,

>

> Thanks so much for the reply. I really appreciate it. One

possibility

> they think is that the nickel bridges put in my mouth had VERY high

> electrical currents, measured over 350. He said that was off the

charts. The arsenic

Many people seem to do poorly with nickel in their mouth. Especially

if you have other metals in there as well.

> in my red blood cell mineral analysis was 99th percentile. WHERE

in the

> heck am I getting arsenic? I did eat a lot of shellfish for a long

long time.

I think I have heard of shellfish as a source of arsenic, but Andy

doesn't mention it. He mentions primarily arsenic-treated wood,

ant traps and other pesticides, non-organic poultry and swine,

certain pottery glazes, cereal grains.

> I am a fast metabolizer. I knew that for sure. The

overproduction of

> adrenaline is what has perplexed me. They thought at first I had

an adrenal

> tumor (pheochromocytoma) but I was negative for that. Mornings it

is all I

> can do to get out of bed as I am shaking, trembling and very fearful.

Adrenal support could help this. When my adrenals were in bad

shape, my blood sugar was terrible and I would wake up like that

at night. Eating protein frequently can help.

> I did test positive for stachybotrys black mold exposure so

that could

> have screwed up the adrenals. Thanks SO MUCH for your input.

Could be. Lead, arsenic, mercury, pretty much any heavy metal

can do it, too.

--

> Bill

>

>

>

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> ,

>

> Thanks so much for the reply. I really appreciate it. One

possibility

> they think is that the nickel bridges put in my mouth had VERY high

> electrical currents, measured over 350. He said that was off the

charts. The arsenic

Many people seem to do poorly with nickel in their mouth. Especially

if you have other metals in there as well.

> in my red blood cell mineral analysis was 99th percentile. WHERE

in the

> heck am I getting arsenic? I did eat a lot of shellfish for a long

long time.

I think I have heard of shellfish as a source of arsenic, but Andy

doesn't mention it. He mentions primarily arsenic-treated wood,

ant traps and other pesticides, non-organic poultry and swine,

certain pottery glazes, cereal grains.

> I am a fast metabolizer. I knew that for sure. The

overproduction of

> adrenaline is what has perplexed me. They thought at first I had

an adrenal

> tumor (pheochromocytoma) but I was negative for that. Mornings it

is all I

> can do to get out of bed as I am shaking, trembling and very fearful.

Adrenal support could help this. When my adrenals were in bad

shape, my blood sugar was terrible and I would wake up like that

at night. Eating protein frequently can help.

> I did test positive for stachybotrys black mold exposure so

that could

> have screwed up the adrenals. Thanks SO MUCH for your input.

Could be. Lead, arsenic, mercury, pretty much any heavy metal

can do it, too.

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> Bill

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