Chris

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You are doing great!

Beth

[Guest guest]

You are doing great!

Beth

[Guest guest]

You are doing great!

Beth

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Hey Chris--

No, I haven't ever tried (or ever heard of) False Unicorn Root. With

my luck, I'd probably grow a horn in the middle of my forehead

(smile!). But, I have tried chasteberry, which works similar to

clomid. I got pg on it a couple times and I have a friend for which

it worked successfully twice--unlike me, she actually had the

babies. That's about the most natural remedy I've had--now I'm on to

the hard stuff.

I'm scared of another mc too, which is why I'm patiently waiting for

direction from my RE. He told me if I tried on my own, I'd most

likely mc again. The truth hurts. I'll be getting an HSG test in

the next couple weeks. Although I know I have that mass there from

the U/S, I guess he's going to look and see if the other tube is

clear and maybe he'll be able to see what the mass actually is. I

hope I don't need surgery to remove it.

My three mcs were all really early on--7 weeks. How far along were

you with your's. I had cramping for about an hour with each. Never

needed a D & C. With metho and an ep, there's supposed to be a period

of pain about 1 week after the shot. I had minor cramping--but

nothing severe at all. I think a cyst hurt me more than the ep.

I guess I'm not a real success story for metho though. I had two

injections, and it still didn't completely work. Metho does work for

most women, though. It's a little odd that you had uterine

contractions after an ep, since it never made it to the uterus--but

the body will always keep us guessing.

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Hey Chris--

No, I haven't ever tried (or ever heard of) False Unicorn Root. With

my luck, I'd probably grow a horn in the middle of my forehead

(smile!). But, I have tried chasteberry, which works similar to

clomid. I got pg on it a couple times and I have a friend for which

it worked successfully twice--unlike me, she actually had the

babies. That's about the most natural remedy I've had--now I'm on to

the hard stuff.

I'm scared of another mc too, which is why I'm patiently waiting for

direction from my RE. He told me if I tried on my own, I'd most

likely mc again. The truth hurts. I'll be getting an HSG test in

the next couple weeks. Although I know I have that mass there from

the U/S, I guess he's going to look and see if the other tube is

clear and maybe he'll be able to see what the mass actually is. I

hope I don't need surgery to remove it.

My three mcs were all really early on--7 weeks. How far along were

you with your's. I had cramping for about an hour with each. Never

needed a D & C. With metho and an ep, there's supposed to be a period

of pain about 1 week after the shot. I had minor cramping--but

nothing severe at all. I think a cyst hurt me more than the ep.

I guess I'm not a real success story for metho though. I had two

injections, and it still didn't completely work. Metho does work for

most women, though. It's a little odd that you had uterine

contractions after an ep, since it never made it to the uterus--but

the body will always keep us guessing.

[Guest guest]

You are doing great. Don't worry about the weight, it will come off soon!

Now, tell me about these Peg's Ice cream Reese Cup.

Beth

[Guest guest]

You are doing great. Don't worry about the weight, it will come off soon!

Now, tell me about these Peg's Ice cream Reese Cup.

Beth

[Guest guest]

My son and I went to " The Safe House " - it is sort of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and crannies and

surprises. Their i's are " shaken, not stirred " by sending them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

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[Guest guest]

My son and I went to " The Safe House " - it is sort of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and crannies and

surprises. Their i's are " shaken, not stirred " by sending them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site -

http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

My son and I went to " The Safe House " - it is sort of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and crannies and

surprises. Their i's are " shaken, not stirred " by sending them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site -

http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

Chris:

That sounds like fun! I was hoping it was a chain, so that I

could go to it too! Oh well. Not that there aren't plenty of

restaurants here in Gainesville!

Brown wrote:

My son and I went to "The Safe House" - it is sort

of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and

crannies and

surprises. Their i's are "shaken, not stirred" by sending

them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site -

http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

Chris:

That sounds like fun! I was hoping it was a chain, so that I

could go to it too! Oh well. Not that there aren't plenty of

restaurants here in Gainesville!

Brown wrote:

My son and I went to "The Safe House" - it is sort

of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and

crannies and

surprises. Their i's are "shaken, not stirred" by sending

them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site -

http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

Chris:

That sounds like fun! I was hoping it was a chain, so that I

could go to it too! Oh well. Not that there aren't plenty of

restaurants here in Gainesville!

Brown wrote:

My son and I went to "The Safe House" - it is sort

of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and

crannies and

surprises. Their i's are "shaken, not stirred" by sending

them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site -

http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

Come on up North when it warms up a little, ! There's so much to do here! Chris

Dear Chris: Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on staying on track even when eating out. Where did you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish! And, by the way, bite your nails all you want - they're protein! <LOL> Warmly, Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures. To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@... Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site - http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

I'd love to, Chris. As a matter of fact, I will be up sort of that

way in August. But to Michigan. Not as far west as Wisconsin.

Oh well. I would say the same to you - come on down south until the

weather warms up! LOL

Brown wrote:

Come

on up North when it warms up a little, ! There's so much to

do here! Chris

-----Original

Message-----

From: Waldman

Sent: Thursday, March 01,

2001 9:53 PM

To: AtkinsChallengers

Subject: Re: Chris

Chris:

That sounds like fun! I was hoping it was a chain, so that I

could go to it too! Oh well. Not that there aren't plenty of

restaurants here in Gainesville!

Brown wrote:

My son and I went to "The Safe House" - it is sort

of an icon in Milwaukee,

downtown. The decor is a spy premise, with lots of nooks and

crannies and

surprises. Their i's are "shaken, not stirred" by sending

them

through pneumatic tubes. It was fun! Chris

Chris

Dear Chris:

Your menus are looking great! Congratulations on

staying on track even when eating out. Where did

you go for dinner? The steak sounds delish!

And, by the way, bite your nails all you

want - they're protein! <LOL>

Warmly,

Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers

You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.

To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...

Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site -

http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

We have a very accurate digital scale in the clinic where I work. I weigh myself on Mondays and Fridays. Chris

-----Original Message-----From: corky Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:29 PMTo: AtkinsChallengers Subject: chris

A big congratulations on the weight loss. That is a great achievement. And you are right, we could be twins. I am 177. You will be catching me in no time. How often do you weigh?

aPlease visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengersYou will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site - http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm

[Guest guest]

Kelli, Hi, I live near polis in Md. (Here's my long story)

I am going to Dr. Mottla (RE) in polis (his main office is in

Rockville). My story is very similiar to many on this site: 16

months ago, I had a healthy yet big (10lbs. 5 oz) boy (3 days late).

The pregnancy was wonderful without any problems but the delivery

(vaginally) was difficult. Forceps, vacuum, the whole thing. My son

suffered a broken collar bone (now perfectly fine and ready for the

major leagues) and I a broken tailbone (still bothers me). 2 Weeks

postpartum, (after calling my OB several times), I passed out from

losing so much blood and blood cloths. My husband called the

ambulance and I required a blood transfusion. The inital U/S done by

the Dr. on call, apparently didn't show anything so they sent my home.

2 days later (Mon.), my OB reviewed the records and told me to come to

the hospital for a D $ C. She said I had retained placenta. I felt

100 times better after all that, (except the tailbone).

I nursed for 4 months than no period. After several tries with

estrogen I had a Hysteroscopy with my OB in Dec. 2001. She said that

she couldn't get thru and even perforated my uterus so she stopped and

referred my to my RE. I had an HSG and then a 2nd hysteroscopy in

March 2002. My RE was able to remove some but couldn't get to scarring

in the upper uterus so stopped. I now have another HSG with X-ray

next month to get a better " roadmap " . He says my lining is about 4-5

so I'm back on estrogen this cycle. In the meantime, I scheduled an

appt. with an " A " list Dr. in Boston in July. My parents live there

so I'll have a place to stay. I'll wait and see what happens with

this HSG and then forward everything to Boston and give it one more

shot. I'm just not ready to give up on having my own baby although my

RE has told us to start thinking about surrogancy. What do you think

about it? How has the process been for you? Thanks, for writing,

I'll keep a look out for your messages. Good Luck, Chris.

[Guest guest]

Kelli, Hi, I live near polis in Md. (Here's my long story)

I am going to Dr. Mottla (RE) in polis (his main office is in

Rockville). My story is very similiar to many on this site: 16

months ago, I had a healthy yet big (10lbs. 5 oz) boy (3 days late).

The pregnancy was wonderful without any problems but the delivery

(vaginally) was difficult. Forceps, vacuum, the whole thing. My son

suffered a broken collar bone (now perfectly fine and ready for the

major leagues) and I a broken tailbone (still bothers me). 2 Weeks

postpartum, (after calling my OB several times), I passed out from

losing so much blood and blood cloths. My husband called the

ambulance and I required a blood transfusion. The inital U/S done by

the Dr. on call, apparently didn't show anything so they sent my home.

2 days later (Mon.), my OB reviewed the records and told me to come to

the hospital for a D $ C. She said I had retained placenta. I felt

100 times better after all that, (except the tailbone).

I nursed for 4 months than no period. After several tries with

estrogen I had a Hysteroscopy with my OB in Dec. 2001. She said that

she couldn't get thru and even perforated my uterus so she stopped and

referred my to my RE. I had an HSG and then a 2nd hysteroscopy in

March 2002. My RE was able to remove some but couldn't get to scarring

in the upper uterus so stopped. I now have another HSG with X-ray

next month to get a better " roadmap " . He says my lining is about 4-5

so I'm back on estrogen this cycle. In the meantime, I scheduled an

appt. with an " A " list Dr. in Boston in July. My parents live there

so I'll have a place to stay. I'll wait and see what happens with

this HSG and then forward everything to Boston and give it one more

shot. I'm just not ready to give up on having my own baby although my

RE has told us to start thinking about surrogancy. What do you think

about it? How has the process been for you? Thanks, for writing,

I'll keep a look out for your messages. Good Luck, Chris.

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I'm home.........again. is doing well and is going to start chemo again

around the 26th. Keep him and and me in your prayers. Thank you, Jeanne

Ann Neff

ps.....Ronnie.......thank you for the cards......you just confirmed what we knew

anyway........you are a NUT!!! Thanks for the laugh, woman. We needed it.

[Guest guest]

We will continue to keep you and your family in our prayers. God bless Sandy

Chris

Hello everyone,

I'm home.........again. is doing well and is going to start chemo again

around the 26th. Keep him and and me in your prayers. Thank you, Jeanne

Ann Neff

ps.....Ronnie.......thank you for the cards......you just confirmed what we

knew anyway........you are a NUT!!! Thanks for the laugh, woman. We needed it.

[Guest guest]

Do you have a picture of your dog that I could see? I could send you my personal email.

ren

[Guest guest]

Do you have a picture of your dog that I could see? I could send you my personal email.

ren

[Guest guest]

Chris; Thank you for sharing. I have been writing an inspirational book for about 3 years now, here and there. Now I have a deadline for November this year, and it will come out right before Valentines Day. I feel like God is leading me to a ministry with my book, it's about how God leads couples to find the right mate. I have some wonderful stories. I just want to be on track and I don't want something in my life that I know is a stumbling block or could be. Thank you so much for sharing with me. I am just staying in prayer and allow God to be in total control.

Have a wonderful evening.

Ren

[Guest guest]

Chris; Thank you for sharing. I have been writing an inspirational book for about 3 years now, here and there. Now I have a deadline for November this year, and it will come out right before Valentines Day. I feel like God is leading me to a ministry with my book, it's about how God leads couples to find the right mate. I have some wonderful stories. I just want to be on track and I don't want something in my life that I know is a stumbling block or could be. Thank you so much for sharing with me. I am just staying in prayer and allow God to be in total control.

Have a wonderful evening.

Ren

[Guest guest]

Many many thanks Marlena. I'll have a look at the book list now. I also found something else via the group from the Wellness Medical Clinic that was useful. It's so encouraging to even have a clue what the problem is! At least it's a step in the right direction! I'm going to ask for the Free T3 and Free T4 tests do be done:-)))

I'll be back as soon as I've got the test reports. In the meantime I'll keep an eye on the group (I've got the posts coming through as e-mails), and wish everyone all the best with their treatment.

Love Chris

Re: test> results -- need ideas> > > > Hi Topper,> > Yes, I completely understand. This is an obscure> test> > and no one is familiar with it, so it's hard for> you> > to comment!> >> > All I can say is that it reflects how I feel> more than> > the blood tests did that I took in June when I> was on> > 2.5 grains. TSH was 0.011 and frees were both> just> > under the mid-range (and I still felt terrible).> T4> > didn't look higher (in its own range) than my T3> so I> > didn't think I was having a conversion problem,> I just> > thought I needed a higher dosage!> >> > I need to find out the explanation of why my> doctor> > says this particular test measures how much> hormone> > the body is actually using -- how much the> tissues are> > actually getting affected by, regardless of how> much> > is available in the blood. Some people can't> fully use> > what is available in the blood (for various> reasons)> > -- so for that reason, the free's seem the best> out of> > all the blood tests but still not always> conclusive,> > IMO!> >> > Marlena> >> > --- topper2@... wrote:> >> > > My problem is that I've never seen anything on> urine> > > testing for thyroid> > > hormones. Since these do not specify that they> are> > > Free Ts we have to> > > assume that they are totals. Which means you> don't> > > know how much hormone> > > is available for use. Your T4 here is showing> very> > > high... but how much> > > of it is bound and unusable? If a lot of it is> > > bound, for whatever> > > reason, then there isn't enough available for> > > conversion, which could be> > > why the T3 is so low in it's range.... Then,> if we> > > continue to assume> > > that these are totals, your available T3 is> actually> > > below range???> > >> > > I can't say that the urine tests are more, or> less,> > > accurate than the> > > blood tests, we just don't know for sure what> was> > > tested (total or free,> > > or if they can even differentiate between free> and> > > bound hormone) and how> > > those numbers, in their ranges, compare to> what> > > we've learned about blood> > > levels and ranges.> > >> > > We know that you aren't feeling as well as you> > > should... but we don't> > > know why, yet.... Using a totally different> testing> > > method leaves us in> > > the dark... we have no comparison, no> experience, to> > > know how to> > > interpret them.> > >> > > Just my thoughts.....> > >> > > Topper ()> > >> > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT)> Marlena> > > writes:> > > Ok y'all, so I finally got my most recent> thyroid> > > results in but I'm not sure where to go from> here.> > > My> > > doctor is pretty holistic and uses a more> obsure> > > test> > > from a lab called Vitamin Diagnostics. It is a> 24 hr> > > urine collection. Supposedly it tests the> amount of> > > hormone your body is actually using ... anyway> here> > > are my results:> > >> > > 11/2004 (before treatment):> > > T3 621 range 800-1800> > > T4 1698 range 1800-3000> > >> > > 7/05 (since treatment ... it takes a month to> get> > > the> > > results!)> > > T3 894 range 800-1800> > > T4 3124 range 1800-3000> > >> > > So it looks like I'm not converting well. Now> I'm on> > > 3> > > grains of Armour plus 3.5 mcg sustained> release T3.> > > (I> > > was actually taking 3 1/4 grains of Armour and> 25mcg> > > of SR T3 at the time of the test (which was> over a> > > month ago), but soon after felt so bad and> > > eventually> > > overstimulated that I cut way back) ... I know> my> > > consistency hasn't been that good, but I had> to cut> > > back -- the T3 doesn't have such a long life> so it> > > seemed ok to me plus the decrease in T4 was> probably> > > good ... I'm also working with a medical> intuitive> > > who> > > is helping me to figure things out a bit --> she told> > > me that the 25 mcg was way too high (which> > > correlated> > > with my symptoms -- which for me was a> feverish> > > feeling and ultra fatigue, fast heartbeat --> not> > > extra> > > energy that's for sure). This doesn't make> sense> > > with> > > my low T3 test result. It would seem that my> body> > > would want more T3... from my results I'm> guessing> > > that my original thyroid production is down to> zero> > > or> > > almost zero (my last TSH while on 2.5 grains> was> > > .011)> > > ... I'm just so frustrated ... I felt better> on no> > > medication whatsoever! And it's scary to me to> be> > > completely dependent on something that isn't> even> > > working for me! I've done all the research and> been> > > the model patient -- doing everything I'm> supposed> > > to> > > be doing ... I really don't know where to go> from> > > here.> > > I do all the things one is supposed to do to> enhance> > > conversion too ...> > >> > > My doctor is not telling me anything> conclusive> > > about> > > where I should go from here ...> > >> > > The weird thing is that I feel worse than> before I> > > started treatment ... and my latest adrenal> test> > > results seem to show that my adrenals are> actually> > > doing ok (although this was an ACTH> stimulation test> > > to check adrenal reserve and my doctor has to> talk> > > to> > > the lab to get a conclusive interpretation of> the 2> > > 24> > > hr urine collection results which tests a> breakdown> > > of> > > all the adrenal hormones... and he won't be> able to> > > do> > > this for another 2 weeks!). I'm really> confused as> > > to> > > why I would feel worse [for 8 months now --> I'm> > > going> > > crazy -- things were pretty bad before> treatment for> > > 10+ years but I was still functioning -- now> I'm not> > > nearly as functional as before ...]> > >> > > Every adrenal hormone in the test increased by> a> > > good> > > amount after the stimulation -- which it's> supposed> > > to> > > do -- except the aldosterone. It was a good> number> > > to> > > begin with but then it went down just a little> after> > > the stimulation. It is supposed to go up ...> but> > > what> > > I don't understand is that apparently the more> salt> > > you eat, the lower the aldosterone ...> aldosterone's> > > job is to keep salt in your body, so the more> you> > > eat,> > > the less is needed. Therefore I would think> that> > > having the surge of cortisol after the test> would> > > increase salt retention and therefore lower> > > aldosterone -- like happened with me --> however it> > > says that it is supposed to increase so ...> does> > > anyone know about this?> > >> > > I know I'm writing a letter that will be> difficult> > > to> > > respond to -- sorry, I just need to vent ...> > >> > > Marlena> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________> > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home> page> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> >> >> >> >> >> >