Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

[Guest guest]

Why is it approved, if it isn't ok to eat???

If you're going to get serious about South Beach, stay away from the South Beach pre-packaged stuff. Stick to what's in the book.

[Guest guest]

I am one of those old dogs, and I agree with Chuck.. I have checked so many of those foods from Kraft, and they are not what SBD is all about at all. I stay clear from all of them.

Di

[Guest guest]

What was the sodium content on the foods you looked at? I looked at three just the other day, and they were all over 800 mg. of sodium, and one was 1060mg. of sodium.. This is not healthy, and anyone with high blood pressure would not try anything like that. I still find it shocking how a doctor, who is a cardiologist could recommend such food. I am off high blood pressure meds after being on SBD for over two years, as it is a healthy way of eating.. But, again, this is my personal opinion and that is not to say it has to be agreed on. If one feels like eating the Kraft foods, then that is ok ,too. I am just saying why I would not do it, as it goes against everything I believe SBD to be about.

Di

[Guest guest]

I have had high blood pressure in the past, and I always watch the sodium content in what I eat, plus the additives that are in the processed foods, I would prefer not to eat. Again, I started SBD over two years ago, and processed foods were not promoted in the diet. If you feel you want to eat them, there is nothing wrong with that at all.

Di

[Guest guest]

Dr. Agatston sold out to Kraft Foods. At least that's what many of us "old dogs" here on the list feel. It's approved because it makes him $$$$$.

If you look at the ingredients and side panel, you'll find that these foods don't meet the original SBD criteria.

That's the short story.

Chuck

Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

Why is it approved, if it isn't ok to eat???

[Guest guest]

Ok, the reason I have a problem with this is because NOT all of those items are bad. My husband and I were looking at some of them and one had these ingredients: chicken breast meat, low carb wraps, low fat cheese, bacon, & sugar free jell-oTeddyberen@... wrote:

I am one of those old dogs, and I agree with Chuck.. I have checked so many of those foods from Kraft, and they are not what SBD is all about at all. I stay clear from all of them.

Di__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Ok, the reason I have a problem with this is because NOT all

> of those items are bad. My husband and I were looking at some

> of them and one had these ingredients: chicken breast meat,

> low carb wraps, low fat cheese, bacon, & sugar free jell-o

That's not an ingredient list -- that's a packing list.

I'm going to make the assumption you are referring to the wraps, right?

Here's the ingredients list for the Southwestern style wraps:

Ingredients: COOKED CHICKEN BREAST WITH RIB MEAT COATED WITH SOUTHWESTERN

SEASONING - CHICKEN BREAST WITH RIB MEAT, WATER, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF

SODIUM LACTATE, SALT, CHICKEN FLAVOR (CONTAINS CHICKEN BROTH, SALT, WHEAT

STARCH, THIAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE, FLAVOR), POTASSIUM LACTATE, DEXTROSE,

SOUTHWESTERN FLAVOR (FLAVOR, SALT), SODIUM PHOSPHATES, SODIUM DIACETATE,

SOUTHWESTERN SEASONING (SPICES, SALT, GARLIC). SUGAR FREE STRAWBERRY GELATIN

- ARTIFICIALLY FLAVORED - WATER, GELATIN, ADIPIC ACID (FOR TARTNESS), SODIUM

CITRATE (CONTROLS ACIDITY), CITRIC ACID (FOR TARTNESS), ASPARTAME** AND

ACESULFAME POTASSIUM (SWEETENERS), SALT, RED 40, ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR.

**PHENYLKETONURICS: CONTAINS PHENYLALANINE. WHOLE WHEAT TORTILLAS - WATER,

MODIFIED WHEAT STARCH, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, CELLULOSE POWDER, PALM OIL, VITAL

WHEAT GLUTEN, WHEAT PROTEIN ISOLATE, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF SALT,

LEAVENING (SODIUM BICARBONATE, SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE), CELLULOSE GUM,

DISTILLED MONOGLYCERIDES, WHEAT STARCH, ALPHA AMYLASE, PRESERVATIVES

(CALCIUM PROPIONATE, SORBIC ACID, FUMARIC ACID, SODIUM METABISULFITE),

VEGETABLE OIL (SOYBEAN AND/OR CANOLA OILS), TRIGLYCERIDES, ARTIFICIAL

FLAVOR, CARAMEL COLOR, SUCRALOSE. GARDEN SALSA - WATER, TOMATO PASTE, GREEN

CHILI PEPPERS, VINEGAR, DRIED ONIONS, SALT, FOOD STARCH-MODIFIED, JALAPENO

PEPPERS, GREEN BELL PEPPERS, SUGAR, GARLIC POWDER, SODIUM BENZOATE AND

POTASSIUM SORBATE AS PRESERVATIVES, CITRIC ACID, SPICE. 2% MILK REDUCED FAT

NATURAL CHEDDAR CHEESE SHREDS - REDUCED FAT CHEDDAR CHEESE (PASTEURIZED

PART-SKIM MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO , VITAMIN A

PALMITATE), CELLULOSE POWDER (ANTICAKING AGENT), NATAMYCIN (PRESERVATIVE).

And here are the box scores:

Serving Size 222g

Servings per Container about 1

Amount Per Serving

Calories 240 Calories from Fat 90

Total Fat 10g

Saturated Fat 5g

Trans Fat 0g

Cholesterol 55mg

Sodium 1360mg

Total Carbohydrate 26g

Dietary Fiber 15g

Sugars 2g

Protein 26g

First off, these " meals " are listed single-serving size but they're seldom

filling. Setting that aside, look at those ingredients -- preservatives,

additives, artificial flavorings, artificial sweetners (aces-K, sucralose

and aspartame in a WRAP!?), added starches, LOTS of sodium, added fiber,

several even have added sugar....

And the sodium -- EGADS! 1,360mg of sodium per serving?! In a typical day,

that's all the sodium I consume and here it is in a wrap! The turkey &

bacon wrap has 1,530mg and the bacon is cured in sugar (something SBDers are

specifically told to avoid, BTW).

The same thing goes for the other products Kraft has marketed under the SBD

label. They're all loaded down with artificial/additive/preservative,

umpteen chemicals, tons of sodium and other stuff that just doesn't belong

there. These products are the same as anything else available on the

shelves from the processed food industry.

As I've said before and I'll say again -- we all have to make choices. The

choice I will always encourage folks to make is for fresh, wholesome foods.

IMNSHO, the vast majority of our health problems today are caused by the

things we consume. As soon as we get away from the processed foods, we get

healthier.

There's absolutely nothing in these meals that you cannot make yourself and

make a million times more healthy. The entrees are basically just a meat

and veggie deal -- leftovers from dinner can be put in compartmentalized

containers and frozen with the same result. Wraps can be made from just

about anything and if your ingredients are fresh, you'll eliminate a bunch

of junk. Making pizza fresh really isn't that hard and with a bread machine

you don't even have to do anything to make the dough but pour in the

ingredients then roll it on the plate before baking. Breakfast bars can be

made in the oven and there are cereals that are far healthier than the SBD

branded cereals.

All of the major diets go through this commercialization. The same thing

happened to the Atkins diet and brought up a SERIOUS split in the Atkins

community that is still clearly present. In the end though, it's a personal

choice. Many of us here won't touch these both because they're unhealthy as

well as the fact it would be supporting something that is contrary to the

very ideals on which the diet is based. Many others will in fact use them

because they are quick, convenient and simplify the dieting process.

I really think that the only way to be successful in this endeavor is to

change habits. " Quick " , " convenient " , and " simple " are nice but they seldom

yield the end results we yearn for. These are the very same things that got

many of us where we are today. Either way, I wish the best to anyone who

goes either route.

[Guest guest]

what is with everyone and the sodium issue; I never saw anything in the book about sodium; did I miss it or something?Teddyberen@... wrote:

What was the sodium content on the foods you looked at? I looked at three just the other day, and they were all over 800 mg. of sodium, and one was 1060mg. of sodium.. This is not healthy, and anyone with high blood pressure would not try anything like that. I still find it shocking how a doctor, who is a cardiologist could recommend such food. I am off high blood pressure meds after being on SBD for over two years, as it is a healthy way of eating.. But, again, this is my personal opinion and that is not to say it has to be agreed on. If one feels like eating the Kraft foods, then that is ok ,too. I am just saying why I would not do it, as it goes against everything I believe SBD to be about.

Di

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[Guest guest]

Check the salt and additives....

MB

Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

Ok, the reason I have a problem with this is because NOT all of those items are bad. My husband and I were looking at some of them and one had these ingredients: chicken breast meat, low carb wraps, low fat cheese, bacon, & sugar free jell-oTeddyberen@... wrote:

I am one of those old dogs, and I agree with Chuck.. I have checked so many of those foods from Kraft, and they are not what SBD is all about at all. I stay clear from all of them.

Di

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[Guest guest]

LOL!! I am with ya! I compared a SB lunch to a Lunchable (something that I view as horrible...and even more so because it is marketed for kids) and the SB was actually higher in Fat, sodium and things I could not pronounce.

MB Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

What was the sodium content on the foods you looked at? I looked at three just the other day, and they were all over 800 mg. of sodium, and one was 1060mg. of sodium.. This is not healthy, and anyone with high blood pressure would not try anything like that. I still find it shocking how a doctor, who is a cardiologist could recommend such food. I am off high blood pressure meds after being on SBD for over two years, as it is a healthy way of eating.. But, again, this is my personal opinion and that is not to say it has to be agreed on. If one feels like eating the Kraft foods, then that is ok ,too. I am just saying why I would not do it, as it goes against everything I believe SBD to be about.

Di

[Guest guest]

Ok, can someone send some bread machine recipes please?? My mother in law is getting me one next month for my wedding anniv. and I would love to be able to make some SBD breads, pizza dough , etc etc with it. Also does anyone make their own bran muffins?? I love them!!!

Making pizza fresh really isn't that hard and with a bread machineyou don't even have to do anything to make the dough but pour in theingredients then roll it on the plate before baking.

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[Guest guest]

oh ok; I was not sure if it was part of the diet that i needed to started counting or if it was personal. Thanks for answering!!Teddyberen@... wrote:

I have had high blood pressure in the past, and I always watch the sodium content in what I eat, plus the additives that are in the processed foods, I would prefer not to eat. Again, I started SBD over two years ago, and processed foods were not promoted in the diet. If you feel you want to eat them, there is nothing wrong with that at all.

Di

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[Guest guest]

Because Dr Agaston is trying to make more money... so he sold his soul

to the devil

Just kidding... but if you look at the ingredients on these Kraft SBD

foods... you will no doubt notice that they have ingredients which are

contrary to the principles of the SBD. Some are filled with sugar.

Personally, I would never buy any of these products

Paola

>

> Why is it approved, if it isn't ok to eat???

>

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[Guest guest]

Sodium is a *major* factor in contributing to the "silent disease" that is killing several of us Americans; high blood pressure. High blood pressure is many times down-played, definitely over-looked, and many times forgotten until it's too late (the reason it is "silent" as it shows very little symptoms until the damage has already been done). Hypertension (high blood pressure) many times goes unnoticed for years... continually building pressure within our arteries and veins. When the arteries and veins cannot contain the pressure any longer, they can form a large balloon or "bubble" (aka- aneurysm) and can even rupture... causing massive strokes and heart attacks; and if serious enough, sudden death. I sadly see it happen every day in my profession (working on an ambulance).

I'm sure different organizations suggest different "norms," however the American Heart Association recommends no more than 2300mg of Sodium per day. So in the example given of the wrap (1060mg), that is 46% of your daily sodium intake in just one wrap. And when you sprinkle salt on your food at each meal, remember 1/4 teaspoon of salt = 600mg sodium (Source: AHA).

Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

what is with everyone and the sodium issue; I never saw anything in the book about sodium; did I miss it or something?

[Guest guest]

Wow, you are SO right. Those things don't even taste good. Early on in my SBD experience, like my first week of Phase II, Costco had a big sale on the refrigerated wrap lunches (package of 4 for $5) so I thought "what the heck? how bad could they be? it's tortillas, turkey, SF jello, etc.). BUT..the tortillas and meats are full of chemicals and truly taste like rubber.

You can buy your own fresh meats and cheeses and whole grain tortillas as well as SF jello, and whip up your own wraps in the same amount of time. I would ONLY use these pre-packaged products if there literally was nothing else SBD compliant to eat. I guess they are ok in a pinch, and VERY occasionally. When all is said and done, it beats Mcs, LOL.

Nikki

P.S. Having said all that, at the risk of being a total hypocrite, I have been known to indulge in the deluxe pizza on occasion. It's only for "treat" days - like once every few months. Although, now that Boboli makes a 100% whole wheat crust, I will probably "make" my own semi-homemade version. Don't have a dough mixer or bread machine and my hand-kneaded doughs always come out BAD. Any suggestions for a hand-kneaded whole wheat crust?-Beth wrote:

LOL!! I am with ya! I compared a SB lunch to a Lunchable (something that I view as horrible...and even more so because it is marketed for kids) and the SB was actually higher in Fat, sodium and things I could not pronounce.

MB Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

What was the sodium content on the foods you looked at? I looked at three just the other day, and they were all over 800 mg. of sodium, and one was 1060mg. of sodium.. This is not healthy, and anyone with high blood pressure would not try anything like that. I still find it shocking how a doctor, who is a cardiologist could recommend such food. I am off high blood pressure meds after being on SBD for over two years, as it is a healthy way of eating.. But, again, this is my personal opinion and that is not to say it has to be agreed on. If one feels like eating the Kraft foods, then that is ok ,too. I am just saying why I would not do it, as it goes against everything I believe SBD to be about.

Di---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Well, let's hope SB smartens up before they go the way of Atkins. Due

to the fact the prepackaged Atkins was sooo expensive, and you could

buy everything else for less, now they are in bankrupcy. I tried one

of the dinners. Not great. I think the only people that will buy the

frozen stuff, (other than those of us that tried it just to see what

it was like :b~~~~) are going to be the folks that don't do the diet

but think they are doing themselves a favor by buying these foods and

then bitching about the diet not working.

Lizette

[Guest guest]

--- Mergel wrote:

>

> Ok, can someone send some bread machine recipes

> please?? My mother in law is getting me one next

> month for my wedding anniv. and I would love to be

> able to make some SBD breads, pizza dough , etc etc

> with it.

I already posted this the first time you asked for it,

but here's a link to it. For future reference, you

can go to the group page, do a search for " pizza

crust " (with the quotes) and my recipe shows up. You

could probably do that with " bread machine " too.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right/message/2\

7677

Jen in ND

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[Guest guest]

> Ok, can someone send some bread machine recipes please?? My

> mother in law is getting me one next month for my wedding anniv.

> and I would love to be able to make some SBD breads, pizza dough

> etc etc with it. Also does anyone make their own bran muffins??

> I love them!!!

Jen -- There are some bread machine recipes in the group's file area, IIRC.

Also, you can do a quick search in the archives for " bread machine " to find

several other discussions and recipes that have cropped up to boot. Tis all

available through the group's site...the link to which is below every

message that goes over the list.

[Guest guest]

> what is with everyone and the sodium issue; I never saw

> anything in the book about sodium; did I miss it or

> something?

Agatston's position on sodium is that unless you are sodium sensitive, it's

not an issue. Many of us strongly disagree with his position on this

matter, especially those of us who are heart patients.

Excess consumption of sodium contributes to many different health problems,

not the least of which is high blood pressure. The Academy of Sciences says

we need about 500mg a day. The US RDA is 2,400mg a day (Canadian RDA is

2,000) and there's a move afoot to get that lowered to 1,300mg. Most

Americans consume 3-8 times the RDAs (that's anywhere from 8,000mg to

18,000mg). That's simply not healthy.

As with so many other things in our diet, it takes no great leap to see how

this contributes to health problems. Once again, the food industry has made

more than their fair share of contributions to excess sodium in the diet.

Just consider the SBD junk foods -- those wraps have a per serving level

that is just 1,000mg away from the US RDA and nearly 3 times what our bodies

actually need in any given day and it's in just one " meal " .

[Guest guest]

Because Kraft bought out SBD and they want to make money on their new

products that previously were not allowed on SBD.

ann

>

>

>

> Why is it approved, if it isn't ok to eat???

>

> In a message dated 9/13/2005 10:32:25 PM GMT Standard Time,

> kelsey@m... writes:

>

> If you're going to get serious about South Beach, stay away from

the South

> Beach pre-packaged stuff. Stick to what's in the book.

[Guest guest]

I do keep one or two of the frozen dinners in the freezer for days

where I may have no other option, but that is it. I think I have eaten

two at home in the whole time I've been on the diet. The frozen

dinners did come in handy at camp, tho, where my only other choices

would have been really bad stuff.

ann

> I am one of those old dogs, and I agree with Chuck.. I have checked

so many

> of those foods from Kraft, and they are not what SBD is all about at

all. I

> stay clear from all of them.

> Di

[Guest guest]

The dinner/lunch meals aren't so terrible, other than the extremely

excessive amounts of sodium in them. But, those bars and that type

stuff are really bad.

ann

> Ok, the reason I have a problem with this is because NOT all of

those items are bad. My husband and I were looking at some of them

and one had these ingredients: chicken breast meat, low carb wraps,

low fat cheese, bacon, & sugar free jell-o

[Guest guest]

Sodium causes and contributes to high blood pressure, which leads to

strokes, heart attacks, etc. If you're young with low blood pressure,

it generally shouldn't be a problem, although is young and was

healthy, and he still got congestive heart failure. But if you have

blood pressure that is over 120/80, it's extremely dangerous to have

too much sodium in your diet. Sodium also contributes to water

retention, which causes weight gain, so that's an issue to consider,

also, even if you're young and healthy. I believe the FDA says no more

than 2000 grams a day. Is that correct, ? Some of the SBD meals

have more than half of that in one meal.

ann

> what is with everyone and the sodium issue; I never saw anything in

the book about sodium; did I miss it or something?

[Guest guest]

i was just wondering if there was something that salt had to do with the diet; and I don't salt my food Cain wrote:

Sodium is a *major* factor in contributing to the "silent disease" that is killing several of us Americans; high blood pressure. High blood pressure is many times down-played, definitely over-looked, and many times forgotten until it's too late (the reason it is "silent" as it shows very little symptoms until the damage has already been done). Hypertension (high blood pressure) many times goes unnoticed for years... continually building pressure within our arteries and veins. When the arteries and veins cannot contain the pressure any longer, they can form a large balloon or "bubble" (aka- aneurysm) and can even rupture... causing massive strokes and heart attacks; and if serious enough, sudden death. I sadly see it happen every day in my profession (working on an ambulance).

I'm sure different organizations suggest different "norms," however the American Heart Association recommends no more than 2300mg of Sodium per day. So in the example given of the wrap (1060mg), that is 46% of your daily sodium intake in just one wrap. And when you sprinkle salt on your food at each meal, remember 1/4 teaspoon of salt = 600mg sodium (Source: AHA).

Re: South Beach Pre-packaged foods

what is with everyone and the sodium issue; I never saw anything in the book about sodium; did I miss it or something?__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

THANKS!!!!Noctaire wrote:

> Ok, can someone send some bread machine recipes please?? My > mother in law is getting me one next month for my wedding anniv.> and I would love to be able to make some SBD breads, pizza dough> etc etc with it. Also does anyone make their own bran muffins??> I love them!!!Jen -- There are some bread machine recipes in the group's file area, IIRC.Also, you can do a quick search in the archives for "bread machine" to findseveral other discussions and recipes that have cropped up to boot. Tis allavailable through the group's site...the link to which is below everymessage that goes over the list.

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