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let me ask again about wasting.......

do we with PLS " generally " have any wasting? i know you (mark) said

it is insignificant if we do, but what exactly would " insignificant "

mean?

my right leg, first and most affected, is terribly wasted....it

looks......yucky...thin, seems to just dangle there. LOL

I often wonder how in the world it holds my weight. to me it seems

very significant, but then it's my leg. perhaps anyone else looking

at it wouldn't think it was so bad.

and also the lower vs. upper motor neuron.....i'm assuming then that

since i can't move my foot or toes on that right leg, then i have

some LMN involvement.....is that correct?

can you all move your toes even if you have an affected leg?

just curious here.

thanks bunches,

maggie

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Maggie,

I too have wasting not just in my right leg but also my right shoulder.

I can't move my toes on the right foot. In a sitting position I can't lift my

right leg. Sandy

mark's info and wasting

let me ask again about wasting.......

do we with PLS " generally " have any wasting? i know you (mark) said

it is insignificant if we do, but what exactly would " insignificant "

mean?

my right leg, first and most affected, is terribly wasted....it

looks......yucky...thin, seems to just dangle there. LOL

I often wonder how in the world it holds my weight. to me it seems

very significant, but then it's my leg. perhaps anyone else looking

at it wouldn't think it was so bad.

and also the lower vs. upper motor neuron.....i'm assuming then that

since i can't move my foot or toes on that right leg, then i have

some LMN involvement.....is that correct?

can you all move your toes even if you have an affected leg?

just curious here.

thanks bunches,

maggie

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Maggie,

I don't know where the line is that separates insignificant from

significant wasting. That's a question for a neurologist. (I am

not a physician.) But " terribly wasted " sounds significant.

That you can't move your foot or toes on your right leg could be

caused by either damage to UMN's or LMN's. (A spinal cord injury

victim who can't move below the point of injury has solely an UMN

injury. The LMN's remain completely intact. They simply get no

signal from the UMN's.) Since you have terrible wasting in that

leg, it could be both UMN's and LMN's.

I can move my toes, but not well.

Mark

> let me ask again about wasting.......

>

> do we with PLS " generally " have any wasting? i know you (mark)

said

> it is insignificant if we do, but what exactly

would " insignificant "

> mean?

> my right leg, first and most affected, is terribly wasted....it

> looks......yucky...thin, seems to just dangle there. LOL

> I often wonder how in the world it holds my weight. to me it

seems

> very significant, but then it's my leg. perhaps anyone else

looking

> at it wouldn't think it was so bad.

>

> and also the lower vs. upper motor neuron.....i'm assuming then

that

> since i can't move my foot or toes on that right leg, then i have

> some LMN involvement.....is that correct?

>

> can you all move your toes even if you have an affected leg?

> just curious here.

> thanks bunches,

> maggie

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When I hold up my arm, the skin hangs . It looks like an elderly persons arm.

If I hold up my leg, my calf hangs like an elderly leg. My thighs hang too like

an elderly thigh. That is where my muscle atrophy is.

Hope I explained to you what it looks like.

Sherry

Dx ALS 7/02

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Maggie you never told me if you had anEMG that cis how they determine some of

the symptoms GEO

mark's info and wasting

let me ask again about wasting.......

do we with PLS " generally " have any wasting? i know you (mark) said

it is insignificant if we do, but what exactly would " insignificant "

mean?

my right leg, first and most affected, is terribly wasted....it

looks......yucky...thin, seems to just dangle there. LOL

I often wonder how in the world it holds my weight. to me it seems

very significant, but then it's my leg. perhaps anyone else looking

at it wouldn't think it was so bad.

and also the lower vs. upper motor neuron.....i'm assuming then that

since i can't move my foot or toes on that right leg, then i have

some LMN involvement.....is that correct?

can you all move your toes even if you have an affected leg?

just curious here.

thanks bunches,

maggie

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> Maggie you never told me if you had anEMG that cis how they

determine some of the symptoms GEO

>>>>

GEO sweetie,

I've had 5 EMGs through the years....a mylogram, cat scans, blood

work.

i cant have an MRI because i have metal implants in my ears and a

piece of metal in my cheek holding my cheek bone together.

maggie

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> Maggie,

> I too have wasting not just in my right leg but also my right

shoulder.

> I can't move my toes on the right foot. In a sitting position I

can't lift my right leg. Sandy

>

hi sandy,

thanks for your response. although i'm sorry that you also have

these symptoms, it helps knowing that we're not alone and that

apparently these are pretty common among us.

try shaking your finger at those defiant little toes and see if they

perk up any. mine don't pay a bit of attention to me, though. :)

maggie

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Sherry,

I have only actually seen one instance of muscle wasting--on a young

person with ALS. She was in her hirties when diagnosed with ALS and

passed away two years ago. Her legs looked like toothpicks--merely

skin covering bone. That is significant muscle wasting.

Mark

> When I hold up my arm, the skin hangs . It looks like an elderly

persons arm. If I hold up my leg, my calf hangs like an elderly

leg. My thighs hang too like an elderly thigh. That is where my

muscle atrophy is.

> Hope I explained to you what it looks like.

> Sherry

> Dx ALS 7/02

>

>

>

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Sherry,

Sounds like your skin is growing or you're losing weight. Also, since we

have PLS, we really don't get enough exercise to keep our muscles strong

and well-toned. Stretching would be of benefit to help tone some of your

muscles.

I know that my lower legs have gotten smaller, especially my right one.

That is the leg I began having the most problems with, but my left side

is the most affected. Now, if only my waistline would get smaller.

Mike Gray

Sherry wrote:

>When I hold up my arm, the skin hangs . It looks like an elderly persons arm.

If I hold up my leg, my calf hangs like an elderly leg. My thighs hang too like

an elderly thigh. That is where my muscle atrophy is.

>Hope I explained to you what it looks like.

>Sherry

>Dx ALS 7/02

>

>

>

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Mike,

I am weighed everytime I go to a clinic. I just got back from University of

Michigan . Weighed the same. I also weigh myself here. No...I have muscle

atrophy. what was once muscle filling in is now just the skin. Tthat is how

muscle atrophy looks . Skin takes along time to shrink. what you described

about the girl being nothing but bone was extreme. Obviously she was very

malnourished. Probably did'nt have a PEG tube.

Sherry

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Just trying to be of help GEO

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> Maggie you never told me if you had anEMG that cis how they

determine some of the symptoms GEO

>>>>

GEO sweetie,

I've had 5 EMGs through the years....a mylogram, cat scans, blood

work.

i cant have an MRI because i have metal implants in my ears and a

piece of metal in my cheek holding my cheek bone together.

maggie

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I also have wasting in my left leg, but I can still move it.

Donna

> Maggie,

> I too have wasting not just in my right leg but also my right

shoulder.

> I can't move my toes on the right foot. In a sitting position I

can't lift my right leg. Sandy

>

> mark's info and wasting

>

>

> let me ask again about wasting.......

>

> do we with PLS " generally " have any wasting? i know you (mark)

said

> it is insignificant if we do, but what exactly

would " insignificant "

> mean?

> my right leg, first and most affected, is terribly wasted....it

> looks......yucky...thin, seems to just dangle there. LOL

> I often wonder how in the world it holds my weight. to me it

seems

> very significant, but then it's my leg. perhaps anyone else

looking

> at it wouldn't think it was so bad.

>

> and also the lower vs. upper motor neuron.....i'm assuming then

that

> since i can't move my foot or toes on that right leg, then i have

> some LMN involvement.....is that correct?

>

> can you all move your toes even if you have an affected leg?

> just curious here.

> thanks bunches,

> maggie

>

>

>

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Maggie you sound just like me trying to get answers about my husband and no

one seems to know the answers. He has been ill for almost 8 years now and has

only gone from bad tow worse he also has wasting in the hands, arms, legs, he

also no longer has anything that works right anymore. He is full time in a

wheelchair now. Bowels don't work bladder, arms, legs, voice, swallow, so much

don't really know how he goes on. But with all this and all that said the

doctors

still say PLS. He is also in constant pain with his bladder prostrate and

bowels. He just crys sometimes from the pain. Have not posted in a long time

have

really had my hands full. Thanks Shirley

P.S. Don't know if any of this helps but sure felt good to get it off my

chest. ( Sorry )

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Maggie, I am curious by your comment " But with all this and all that said

the doctors still say PLS " ? Why don't you think it's " just PLS " . I have

had it for only about 1 1/2 years but I have most of the same symptoms, just

not as bad yet. Both of my neurs said that I should expect this with the

aggressive form I have (and it sounds like your husband). I know it won't

make it better but I guess I was just puzzled.

dale

Re: mark's info and wasting

> Maggie you sound just like me trying to get answers about my husband and

no

> one seems to know the answers. He has been ill for almost 8 years now and

has

> only gone from bad tow worse he also has wasting in the hands, arms, legs,

he

> also no longer has anything that works right anymore. He is full time in a

> wheelchair now. Bowels don't work bladder, arms, legs, voice, swallow, so

much

> don't really know how he goes on. But with all this and all that said the

doctors

> still say PLS. He is also in constant pain with his bladder prostrate and

> bowels. He just crys sometimes from the pain. Have not posted in a long

time have

> really had my hands full. Thanks Shirley

> P.S. Don't know if any of this helps but sure felt good to get it off my

> chest. ( Sorry )

>

>

>

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> Maggie, I am curious by your comment " But with all this and all

that said

> the doctors still say PLS " ? Why don't you think it's " just PLS " .

>>>>>>

Dale,

that was our sweet shirley who said that. and with all that she has

been through with her dear husband, i can completely understand why

she said it.....

see below.

maggie

>

> Re: mark's info and wasting

>

>

> > Maggie you sound just like me trying to get answers about my

husband and

> no

> > one seems to know the answers. He has been ill for almost 8

years now and

> has

> > only gone from bad tow worse he also has wasting in the hands,

arms, legs,

> he

> > also no longer has anything that works right anymore. He is full

time in a

> > wheelchair now. Bowels don't work bladder, arms, legs, voice,

swallow, so

> much

> > don't really know how he goes on. But with all this and all that

said the

> doctors

> > still say PLS. He is also in constant pain with his bladder

prostrate and

> > bowels. He just crys sometimes from the pain. Have not posted in

a long

> time have

> > really had my hands full. Thanks Shirley

> > P.S. Don't know if any of this helps but sure felt good to get

it off my

> > chest. ( Sorry )

>

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Oops, sorry but my question still stands. I am not belittling anything, I

am just curious because I am told to expect that from my PLS.

dale

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> >

> >

> > > Maggie you sound just like me trying to get answers about my

> husband and

> > no

> > > one seems to know the answers. He has been ill for almost 8

> years now and

> > has

> > > only gone from bad tow worse he also has wasting in the hands,

> arms, legs,

> > he

> > > also no longer has anything that works right anymore. He is full

> time in a

> > > wheelchair now. Bowels don't work bladder, arms, legs, voice,

> swallow, so

> > much

> > > don't really know how he goes on. But with all this and all that

> said the

> > doctors

> > > still say PLS. He is also in constant pain with his bladder

> prostrate and

> > > bowels. He just crys sometimes from the pain. Have not posted in

> a long

> > time have

> > > really had my hands full. Thanks Shirley

> > > P.S. Don't know if any of this helps but sure felt good to get

> it off my

> > > chest. ( Sorry )

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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