Re: Grocery Shopping at Wal-Mart

December 29, 2003

WW says, and I've repeated a few times on this board, " it's not what you

do, it's what you do next " . That's kept me

going after some bad decisions. In past efforts, I'd wait until the

beginning of a new WW week to get back on track.

Since that beginning was on Saturday, I'd wait till Monday when the work

week began to get back on track or maybe

Tuesday or Wednesday... well, the week's almost over, might as well wait

until next week to get re-started. THIS

DOESN'T WORK!!!!

If you fall off program, get right back

on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The next meal or snack !!!!! Going off

program

won't have a big impact. Not getting right back on will!!!!!!

Mitch

*~*Gymmie*~* wrote:

>That's how I am. If I get off, I'm off. Then I wait until the next week to get

back OP. Sometimes it doesn't always workout that way and it takes me a while to

get back OP. I use to have a line in my sig that said " Today is Monday " . I try

to remember that if I feel like I " blew it " and want to wait until the next week

to get OP.

>

>That's what I'm saying about if you do gain something. Don't let it get you

off track. I know I've done that and now I have to lose some of the weight

again. Sometimes folks, especially during the holidays, make those " excuses "

and get stressed over the gain and that's when they " chuck it " and try to start

fresh on Jan. 1st. Then they not only have the weight they've gained, but also

the weight they've gained over the holidays to deal with.

>

>Running26point2@... wrote:

>But, I think there may be a problem with the anal rententive personalities in

working the program sometimes. Some people have an all or nothing attitude in

that you have to work it perfectly or it won't work. A lady in our WW group lost

over 100 pounds. She did it in about a year, never deviating from the plan. She

had surgery to remove all of her excess skin and had a tummy tuck. Well,

>once she slipped up she just went off the deep end and has gained about 50 of

it back.

>

>Just thought I'd throw that out there....

>

>Luanne

>

>Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

>The difference between fat and fit is " I "

>What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

>

December 29, 2003

I'm NOT changing OR MODIFYING ANYTHING. Apparantely I WASN'T clear in my

original comments and was just CLARIFYING and I WASN'T making excuses for

ANYTHING. AGAIN, just trying to clarify my position. I said NOTHING about

taking time off. All I was saying was that sometimes people are trying to get

into the holidays and have their goodies. Sometimes when the scale doesn't

agree with them and they use THAT as an EXCUSE to get back off program. I was

SPEAKING from prior experience and those of others I've come across in my

journeys.

You can be SERIOUS about something and still inadvertantely mess up or get a tad

off track.

Mitch Javeline wrote:

Gymmie,

You seem to be modifying your comments here and based on that, we're more in

agreement then not.

Sorry if my attitude or my comments offend or seem un-diplomatic - but this is a

Serious WW list and if there's any topic that fuels my passion its' folks who

justify a particular event, season, occasion as an excuse for going off-program.

Mitch

*~*Gymmie*~* wrote:

>Your post said the " average American " , NOT the " average WW " , so that's where I

was going with my thoughts--or at least trying to. Yes, the " average American "

who probably isn't watching what they're eating is going to gain those 8 pounds

or maybe more. For the average WWer, any gains will most likely be minmal.

Because we're for the most part OP. There will be those times where we

miscalcuate or forget to journal those BLTs and then it shows up on the scale.

But if you totally give up and don't count points or eat until the cows come

home, then that's different and I'm *not* saying that's OK.

>

>I DIDN'T say that it's OK to eat whatever you want and " chuck " the program out

the door, because you're OP the rest of the year. For the most part I was going

with the " average American " thought. Also, I'm not encouraging gaining 8 billion

pounds over the holidays because you're watching what you're doing the other 46

weeks. What I was saying was that if you have a gain (I just used the 8 pounds,

because that's what you mentioned in your post), don't stress about it. Enjoy

the holidays and don't let it get you down. A guy at my old meetings gained 7

pounds in a week. He was a construction worker and thought he was earning more

APs and was eating a lot more points (like 70). Well, it backfired and he had

that huge gain. So you can gain the equivalent of what you did over a 6 week

period in a week or two easily. Gains are harder for some people during the

holidays, because they feel like they " blew it " and so they give it all up and

start " fresh " on January 1st. And that's when the

> 2 pounds becomes 8, etc. When I say " don't stress " , I mean don't give up,

just start fresh today, don't let it make you totally get off program. Even if

you do decide to " chuck it " one day, get back OP the next. Whether, you're the

" average American " or the " average WWer " you can do a lot more damage the other

46 weeks of the year. That's all I was saying about the " don't stress over any

holiday gains " .

>

>I didn't say the holidays were more special than any other time of the year and

that any time is OK, to " chuck " the program out the door. 40 events spread out

over 52 weeks is different than 40 events spread out during a month. It can

happen.

>

>Mitch Javeline wrote:

>Well, I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree then. I know, that for

myself at least, I can " enjoy the holidays and not stress " by focusing on

family, friends

> & good times and not by allowing myself to gobble up whatever's served and

gaining those 8 pounds. That (not

>feeling in control, gaining the seasonal weight) would be the source of stress

for me in the first place!!!!

>

>Yes, you can gain more weight the rest of the year, by virtue of the fact that

there are more days the rest of the year. That's fairly obvious. If you don't

care

>and you're not living a healthful lifestyle, you likely will!!! If, however,

you're living healthfully, I don't

>believe the holiday season is an excuse to " chuck " that lifestyle for a month

or month and 1/2 (again, I'm not implying don't indulge - simply saying don't

indulge

>without working the indulgences into program). You seem to be saying that as

long as I'm living healthfully

>the rest of the year, don't worry about what you might gain over the holidays.

Correct me if I'm interpreting you incorrectly, but, if I'm right - I can't get

on board with that attitude. I've lost about 5 1/2 pounds since Thanksgiving.

Much better in my mind then having an extra 13 1/2 points to attack after New

Years!!! To your point

>about more scrumptious things being available during this season --- yes ---

but that's just the reason to be more careful --- its' too easy to slip into old

habits....

>

>Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

>The difference between fat and fit is " I "

>What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

>

December 29, 2003

Thanks for the " clarification " , Gymmie. Yes, apperently you were not

clear in your original comments. Glad to see

we agree that all times of the year are just as important with regard to

what we eat and that we can work through

the holiday season in a healthful, on-program way.

Best,

Mitch

*~*Gymmie*~* wrote:

>I'm NOT changing OR MODIFYING ANYTHING. Apparantely I WASN'T clear in my

original comments and was just CLARIFYING and I WASN'T making excuses for

ANYTHING. AGAIN, just trying to clarify my position. I said NOTHING about

taking time off. All I was saying was that sometimes people are trying to get

into the holidays and have their goodies. Sometimes when the scale doesn't

agree with them and they use THAT as an EXCUSE to get back off program. I was

SPEAKING from prior experience and those of others I've come across in my

journeys.

>

>You can be SERIOUS about something and still inadvertantely mess up or get a

tad off track.

>

>Mitch Javeline wrote:

>

>Gymmie,

>

> You seem to be modifying your comments here and based on that, we're more

in agreement then not.

>

>Sorry if my attitude or my comments offend or seem un-diplomatic - but this is

a Serious WW list and if there's any topic that fuels my passion its' folks who

justify a particular event, season, occasion as an excuse for going off-program.

>

>Mitch

>

>*~*Gymmie*~* wrote:

>

>>Your post said the " average American " , NOT the " average WW " , so that's where I

was going with my thoughts--or at least trying to. Yes, the " average American "

who probably isn't watching what they're eating is going to gain those 8 pounds

or maybe more. For the average WWer, any gains will most likely be minmal.

Because we're for the most part OP. There will be those times where we

miscalcuate or forget to journal those BLTs and then it shows up on the scale.

But if you totally give up and don't count points or eat until the cows come

home, then that's different and I'm *not* saying that's OK.

>>

>>I DIDN'T say that it's OK to eat whatever you want and " chuck " the program out