Re: Grocery Shopping at Wal-Mart

December 26, 2003

Walmart is the biggest super center store in the world. They don't need

anyone's competition. Maybe that is why they don't honour other companie's

coupons.

Walmart is the largest dept store in the world. They do very well and that is

why these mom and pop stores and other stores go out of business. K-mart is

one for sure. I know people as a whole like this store, but if they were in my

area, the stores will be wiped out.

Hope you have a good day.

Cyrella

December 26, 2003

In a message dated 12/26/2003 4:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Enjoyurdaysmile@... writes:

> Maybe that is why they don't honour other companie's coupons.

>

The Walmart in our area honors coupons on brand foods but not house brands.

Also, it matches flyer ads (which are different than coupons). They even have

the competitors flyers hanging at the end of all their isles in the grocery

section of the store!

Dawn the Indexlady

December 26, 2003

Does Wal-mart honor competitor's prices from on-line ads? I had to

fuss once to get them to honor a comissary flyer. I used to go

through the trouble to price-compare, but it didn't seem worth it in

the long run, since there were so many restrictions (like not

supporting " buy one get one free " competitor's ads). However, if I

could use on-line ads, maybe it is worth taking another look!

~Shellie

> Before I shop (normally every two weeks) I look at the online sales

flyers

> for grocery stores, we only have a mom and pop store here so I go

to the

> Super Wal*Mart and ad match most of my purchases. I check the

flyers (takes

> about 10 min for me since our phone lines will only do 26K for

internet, so

> those of you who have faster internet service could check the ads in

> probably 5 min). I look at Kroger.com, Eaglefoods.com Cubs.com

Meijer.com

> and others...

December 26, 2003

According to Wal*Marts policy they are to accept competitors ads as long as

they are not buy one get one free, % off (like save 50% off regular price)

or gimicks like spend $50.00 and get a free turkey or turkey for .20¢ per

pound with a $50.00 purchase. Our Super Wal*Mart honors all the nearby

stores ads. They have copies of them at the service desk, I use to look

through the ad match box up there until the lady at the service desk said

" did you know you can look up those ads online and write down the info and

come in and shop? " This is MUCH easier to do with a 3yr old in tow when

shopping! So I just type in the name of all the grocery stores in our area

and go from there.

Moe

December 26, 2003

Also regarding the ad matching, if Kroger brand veggies are on sale you can

get Wal*Mart brand veggies for the same price. But if it's a name brand

item like Tyson chicken on sale, you MUST get Tyson chicken at Wal*Mart to

get the sale price. Our Wal*Mart is really picky about bananas!

lol.......of all things, if they are Chaquita brand on sale for .25¢ per

pound you MUST get Chaquita brand at Wal*Mart to ad match. We have a local

store that always has bananas for a quarter a pound but they are out of the

way, so I just ad match them at Wal*Mart.

Moe

December 26, 2003

I can't 'member the town--I wanna say Turlock, but they want to build a Super

Wally World and it's being fought. The neighbors would love it. But the

businesses know they'll be in deep doo doo. There's a Wally World up the road

from me and I wish it were a Super Wally World. Last time I checked, the

closest is in Stockton.

Enjoyurdaysmile@... wrote:I know people as a whole like this store, but if

they were in my area, the stores will be wiped out.

Hope you have a good day.

Cyrella

Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

The difference between fat and fit is " I "

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

December 27, 2003

Yes, I bet it's a mess down there for y'all. I love Wally World, but do feel

for the " little guy " . I 'member when Krispy Kreme came to town a few years

back, there was a Mom and Pop donut shop that was worried if it would still be

in business. I haven't been down that way in a while (I don't trust myself near

a Krispy Kreme donut--which is why I don'tshop at Bel Air, they sell 'em there),

so I don't know if they're still in business or not.

terri hundley wrote:

It's big controversy here in So Cal, with the other markets striking right now

and the big fear of Wally coming our way with the lower paying jobs and running

the little guys out.

Terri

Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

The difference between fat and fit is " I "

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

December 28, 2003

Gymmie - this statement of yours is GOOD!!

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

Bette

December 28, 2003

I'll have to disagree with you both here. According to my WW leader (and

other sources) the average American gains 8 pounds between Thanksgiving

and New Years. This season is over-run with temptations --- it would seem

to me that what you eat at this time is maybe MORE important then at other

times because its' so much more of a struggle to keep things under control.

This statement is probably not intended this way, but it seems to give

license

to eating whatever you want during the Thanksgiving/Christmas season as

long as

you control yourself the rest of the year. I believe you need to be as

in control

of your lifestyle (that's your lifestyle folks, not your diet) as much,

if not more, this

time of year as you do on Valentine's Day, Easter/Passover, your

birthday, your

family's birthday, summer BBQ season, Halloween, and every other day of the

year. By that, I mean allow for the indulgences, don't deprive yourself,

but do journal,

do count your points, do drink your water, do eat your fruits & veggies,

do weigh &

measure and do exercise during this time of year. I myself have allowed

several indulgences

this season, including some scrumptions raisin-pumpkin-nut cake with

cream cheese

frosting my wife baked (4 1/2 points per slice, thank you) but I

controlled my intake and

didn't let it control me.

This season isn't easy. My WW leader and the entire receptionist/weigher

staff was

lamenting on Saturday how Christmas through them for a loop - but

they're all

getting right back " on their horses " . Underscores how much more diligent

we need

to be at this time of the year.

Sorry, didn't mean to preach, but I feel better getting that off my chest.

mousikos@... wrote:

>Gymmie - this statement of yours is GOOD!!

>What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

>what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

>Bette

>

December 28, 2003

But, I think there may be a problem with the anal rententive personalities in

working the program sometimes. Some people have an all or nothing attitude in

that you have to work it perfectly or it won't work. A lady in our WW group

lost over 100 pounds. She did it in about a year, never deviating from the

plan. She had surgery to remove all of her excess skin and had a tummy tuck.

Well,

once she slipped up she just went off the deep end and has gained about 50 of

it back.

Just thought I'd throw that out there....

Luanne

December 28, 2003

Glad you like it. Someone had it in their sig on the WW boards and I liked it.

mousikos@... wrote:

Gymmie - this statement of yours is GOOD!!

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

Bette

Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

The difference between fat and fit is " I "

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

December 28, 2003

NO, I don't see it that way at all. What I'm seeing it as is to enjoy the

holidays and not stress. For the most part, people have access to more food

during the holidays, then they do the rest of the year. As there are more

parties, more food, etc. available. So even if you gain those 8 pounds, that's

nothing compared to the pounds you can gain during the year and for many folks,

it a lot more than 8 pounds.

Everyone see's control in a different way. You can have FF every day and still

be in control. Or you can " diet " or stay OP and be in control. Control doesn't

have to necessarily be watching what you eat.

For the most part Valentine's day, Resurrection Day, birthdays, etc. are only 1

day, they don't extend out for weeks. December is full of parties and goodies.

People get baking fever and bring in goodies often on a daily basis, for

couples, you have parties for both spouses' poes, you have the relatives and

friends to visit, etc. Most offices/departments combine birthdays, so they have

just one celebration. Otherwise some months, you'd have nothing but birthday

cake. Yes, sometimes, you might have multiple occasions during the week, but for

the most part, it's not something that happens every week.

Mitch Javeline wrote:

This statement is probably not intended this way, but it seems to give license

to eating whatever you want during the Thanksgiving/Christmas season as long as

you control yourself the rest of the year.

Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

The difference between fat and fit is " I "

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

December 28, 2003

I'm not 100% sure how it all originated.

Mitch Javeline wrote:

So, from reading these posts, I'm assuming " Wally World " is a well-know nickname

for Walmart. This I did not know.

Anyone know how it got this nickname?

Mitch

Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

The difference between fat and fit is " I "

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

December 28, 2003

Mitch,

As I was working on my reply yours came in and I wanted to say what a great

job you did in explaining your points. Well said.

Rich

At 07:40 PM 12/28/2003, you wrote:

>Well, I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree then. I know, that

>for myself at least,

>I can " enjoy the holidays and not stress " by focusing on family, friends

> & good times and not

>by allowing myself to gobble up whatever's served and gaining those 8

>pounds. That (not

>feeling in control, gaining the seasonal weight) would be the source of

>stress for me in the

>first place!!!!

>

>Yes, you can gain more weight the rest of the year, by virtue of the

>fact that there are

>more days the rest of the year. That's fairly obvious. If you don't care

>and you're not

>living a healthful lifestyle, you likely will!!! If, however, you're

>living healthfully, I don't

>believe the holiday season is an excuse to " chuck " that lifestyle for a

>month or month and

>1/2 (again, I'm not implying don't indulge - simply saying don't indulge

>without working

>the indulgences into program). You seem to be saying that as long as I'm

>living healthfully

>the rest of the year, don't worry about what you might gain over the

>holidays. Correct

>me if I'm interpreting you incorrectly, but, if I'm right - I can't get

>on board with that

>attitude. I've lost about 5 1/2 pounds since Thanksgiving. Much better

>in my mind then

>having an extra 13 1/2 points to attack after New Years!!! To your point

>about more

>scrumptious things being available during this season --- yes --- but

>that's just the reason

>to be more careful --- its' too easy to slip into old habits....

>

>Now to the definition of being " in-control " . I don't understand your

>point. Being in control. to

>me, is making choices about what you are going to do or not do. If

>you're determined to continue

>living a healthful lifestyle, you can make choices like, " I'll fit my

>exercise in today " , " I'm going

>to meet my friend for a holiday dinner, but I'll have a low-point

>entree " , " I'll only have

>one glass of wine at this party " , " I'll have a slice of chocolate cake

>at the office holiday luncheon,

>but I'll skip the ice cream at dinner tonight " . Point is, you're

>controlling your actions and taking

>responsibility for them. When you say, " I just couldn't help eating all

>the cookies on the dessert

>table. They looked so good " or " Chuck it. I don't feel like counting

>points at the party tonight.

>I'll just have whatever looks good " , that's not control. That's food

>controlling you.... Look,

>it's your life ... if you want to go that route (as I did for years

>while attempting to " be on a diet " ),

>go for it - but as they say, " if you do what you always did, you'll get

>what you always got " .

>

>In response to your final point, all I'm saying is that there will

>always be occasions - always

>be a holiday or a personal event that can be an excuse for " chucking "

>your program. I'll

>betcha I could come up with a special event 40 our of 52 weeks, if I was

>looking for

>excuses to go off-program. Why should the holiday season, be a special

>case while

>other times aren't. Just because

>

> " December is full of parties and goodies. People get baking

>fever and bring in goodies often on a daily basis, for couples, you

>have parties for both spouses' poes, you have the relatives and friends

>to visit, etc. "

>

> I don't think so!!! All the reason to be more diligent......

>

>Mitch

>

>*~*Gymmie*~* wrote:

>

> >NO, I don't see it that way at all. What I'm seeing it as is to enjoy

> the holidays and not stress. For the most part, people have access to

> more food during the holidays, then they do the rest of the year. As

> there are more parties, more food, etc. available. So even if you gain

> those 8 pounds, that's nothing compared to the pounds you can gain during

> the year and for many folks, it a lot more than 8 pounds.

> >

> >Everyone see's control in a different way. You can have FF every day

> and still be in control. Or you can " diet " or stay OP and be in

> control. Control doesn't have to necessarily be watching what you eat.

> >

> >For the most part Valentine's day, Resurrection Day, birthdays, etc. are

> only 1 day, they don't extend out for weeks. December is full of parties

> and goodies. People get baking fever and bring in goodies often on a

> daily basis, for couples, you have parties for both spouses' poes, you

> have the relatives and friends to visit, etc. Most offices/departments

> combine birthdays, so they have just one celebration. Otherwise some

> months, you'd have nothing but birthday cake. Yes, sometimes, you might

> have multiple occasions during the week, but for the most part, it's not

> something that happens every week.

> >

> >Mitch Javeline wrote:

> >This statement is probably not intended this way, but it seems to give

> license to eating whatever you want during the Thanksgiving/Christmas

> season as long as you control yourself the rest of the year.

> >

> >Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

> >The difference between fat and fit is " I "

> >What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as

> important as what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

> >

December 28, 2003

Well, I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree then. I know, that

for myself at least,

I can " enjoy the holidays and not stress " by focusing on family, friends

& good times and not

by allowing myself to gobble up whatever's served and gaining those 8

pounds. That (not

feeling in control, gaining the seasonal weight) would be the source of

stress for me in the

first place!!!!

Yes, you can gain more weight the rest of the year, by virtue of the

fact that there are

more days the rest of the year. That's fairly obvious. If you don't care

and you're not

living a healthful lifestyle, you likely will!!! If, however, you're

living healthfully, I don't

believe the holiday season is an excuse to " chuck " that lifestyle for a

month or month and

1/2 (again, I'm not implying don't indulge - simply saying don't indulge

without working

the indulgences into program). You seem to be saying that as long as I'm

living healthfully

the rest of the year, don't worry about what you might gain over the

holidays. Correct

me if I'm interpreting you incorrectly, but, if I'm right - I can't get

on board with that

attitude. I've lost about 5 1/2 pounds since Thanksgiving. Much better

in my mind then

having an extra 13 1/2 points to attack after New Years!!! To your point

about more

scrumptious things being available during this season --- yes --- but

that's just the reason

to be more careful --- its' too easy to slip into old habits....

Now to the definition of being " in-control " . I don't understand your

point. Being in control. to

me, is making choices about what you are going to do or not do. If

you're determined to continue

living a healthful lifestyle, you can make choices like, " I'll fit my

exercise in today " , " I'm going

to meet my friend for a holiday dinner, but I'll have a low-point

entree " , " I'll only have

one glass of wine at this party " , " I'll have a slice of chocolate cake

at the office holiday luncheon,

but I'll skip the ice cream at dinner tonight " . Point is, you're

controlling your actions and taking

responsibility for them. When you say, " I just couldn't help eating all

the cookies on the dessert

table. They looked so good " or " Chuck it. I don't feel like counting

points at the party tonight.

I'll just have whatever looks good " , that's not control. That's food

controlling you.... Look,

it's your life ... if you want to go that route (as I did for years

while attempting to " be on a diet " ),

go for it - but as they say, " if you do what you always did, you'll get

what you always got " .

In response to your final point, all I'm saying is that there will

always be occasions - always

be a holiday or a personal event that can be an excuse for " chucking "

your program. I'll

betcha I could come up with a special event 40 our of 52 weeks, if I was

looking for

excuses to go off-program. Why should the holiday season, be a special

case while

other times aren't. Just because

" December is full of parties and goodies. People get baking

fever and bring in goodies often on a daily basis, for couples, you

have parties for both spouses' poes, you have the relatives and friends

to visit, etc. "

I don't think so!!! All the reason to be more diligent......

Mitch

*~*Gymmie*~* wrote:

>NO, I don't see it that way at all. What I'm seeing it as is to enjoy the

holidays and not stress. For the most part, people have access to more food

during the holidays, then they do the rest of the year. As there are more

parties, more food, etc. available. So even if you gain those 8 pounds, that's

nothing compared to the pounds you can gain during the year and for many folks,

it a lot more than 8 pounds.

>

>Everyone see's control in a different way. You can have FF every day and still

be in control. Or you can " diet " or stay OP and be in control. Control doesn't

have to necessarily be watching what you eat.

>

>For the most part Valentine's day, Resurrection Day, birthdays, etc. are only 1

day, they don't extend out for weeks. December is full of parties and goodies.

People get baking fever and bring in goodies often on a daily basis, for

couples, you have parties for both spouses' poes, you have the relatives and

friends to visit, etc. Most offices/departments combine birthdays, so they have

just one celebration. Otherwise some months, you'd have nothing but birthday

cake. Yes, sometimes, you might have multiple occasions during the week, but for

the most part, it's not something that happens every week.

>

>Mitch Javeline wrote:

>This statement is probably not intended this way, but it seems to give license

to eating whatever you want during the Thanksgiving/Christmas season as long as

you control yourself the rest of the year.

>

>Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

>The difference between fat and fit is " I "

>What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

>

December 28, 2003

For me it's the taste. They remind me of the Winchell's donuts I use to eat

when I was a kid--back when I could not only eat something but also look at it

and not gain weight. Generally for me, I have to have a taste for donuts to get

one. I can go by donut shops all day and not stop. I can't remember the last

time I had any kind of donut. But KK, just has a knack for calling me by my

first, middle and last name.

terri hundley wrote:

I just don't get Krispy Kreme.

Gymmie in Cali °Ü°

The difference between fat and fit is " I "

What you eat between Thanksgiving and Christmas isn't nearly as important as

what you eat between Christmas and Thanksgiving

December 28, 2003

I'm going to jump in here because it is a serious-weight-watchers group

and one of or aims is to help members stay serious and make a true

lifestyle change. This isn't to be taken as attacking anyone, just

giving my opinion...and I venture to guess many of you know what it is.

Is what Gymmie said true? Yes, in many ways it is. It *is* more

important how you eat over the coming year than how you ate during the

holidays...but.

And this is a BIG but....

If this is a lifestyle change and if you are TRULY commited to making a

lifestyle change you simply do NOT take time off. We have flex points.

We have activity points. We have 0 point foods, and most importantly we

have self control. It is up to us to exercise it.

Does that mean we will be perfect throughout the holidays? Well, yeah.

That's what we should strive for. We know what this food tastes like.

We've seen it all before; we've tasted it all before. We know that

memories of parties generally do not include food...do you think fondly

back on parties and say to yourself " Yeah, the people were okay, but I

was there for the FOOD and didn't hose cookies dress divine!? " Sheesh I

hope not! I certainly hope if I throw a party my guests are more

interested in me than in the food.

Am I saying if you DID take the holidays off that you're a bad person?

No. I'm saying that you might want to consider making commitment to the

program, to being perfectly on program, one of your goals this year. We

all go at this in different ways. For some of the anal retentive control

freaks among us, we run at it in a straight line, rarely deviating. For

others we take side trips and if we learn from those side trips, then

that's okay. It's all in what you want out of this.

I'll add some more remarks.

> NO, I don't see it that way at all. What I'm seeing it as is

> to enjoy the holidays and not stress. For the most part,

In my little world there would be way LESS stress if I kept to the

program because I know I'm in control and that I won't have to undo

damage I did over the holidays. The holidays DO come only once a year,

but excuses can be made for every day of the year. I prefer not to make

excuses, but instead to make plans.

> people have access to more food during the holidays, then

> they do the rest of the year. As there are more parties,

> more food, etc. available. So even if you gain those 8

> pounds, that's nothing compared to the pounds you can gain

> during the year and for many folks, it a lot more than 8 pounds.

Good Lord if I gained 8 pounds over the holidays it would take me MONTHS

to take it back off and honestly, I would feel ashamed that I let food

control me and not the other way around. I'm not saying that anyone

SHOULD feel shame because we all make mistakes. I'm just saying that

personlly, I would.

> Everyone see's control in a different way. You can have FF

> every day and still be in control. Or you can " diet " or stay

> OP and be in control. Control doesn't have to necessarily be

> watching what you eat.

Well since we're on a Wwers list eating without journaling or worrying

about points is the definition of lack of control. Eating within points,

using flex points, earning and burning Aps is a definition of control.

Again, just my opinion.

> For the most part Valentine's day, Resurrection Day,

> birthdays, etc. are only 1 day, they don't extend out for

> weeks. December is full of parties and goodies. People get

> baking fever and bring in goodies often on a daily basis, for

> couples, you have parties for both spouses' poes, you have

> the relatives and friends to visit, etc. Most

> offices/departments combine birthdays, so they have just one

> celebration. Otherwise some months, you'd have nothing but

> birthday cake. Yes, sometimes, you might have multiple

> occasions during the week, but for the most part, it's not

> something that happens every week.

I suppose this is true, but around Easter things get pretty busy here.

Valentines is FULL of candy. Anniversaries usually carry with them

special celebrations. Birthdays have cake. See what I'm getting at?

There are always going to be excuses to take a little time off, but the

bottom line is...

Where do you want to be one year from now?

What will get you there faster? Taking time off or working the program

365 days a year.

Who do you see on this list, on the Wwers boards, on other lists, online

who make it to their goals and what habits do they have? Can we emulate

them and still enjoy our holidays?

I just enjoyed the heck out of my holidays on program. I am going on a

short trip tomorrow and I will enjoy that, on program. I will not have

any weight to lose come January because I stayed on program. I am proud

of the control because yeah, it would have been SO easy to just say " Aw,

it's only once a year. " I had treats (in fact tonight will enjoy a DQ

Banana split because I have the FPs for it) and had fun, but I stopped

when I needed to. Was it easy? There were days (Christmas especially)

when it was minute by minute, honestly, but it didn't spoil my fun.

Again, please don't take this as a criticism, but since part of what we

do on this list is don those old army boots, and I got a new pair for

Christmas I felt the need to offer a different, " butt kickin' " point of

view.

And for those newbies; I'm Tory. I've lost 107 pounds on Wwers and have

maintained for a year. I lost it by making this a true lifestyle change.

December 28, 2003

Well, I'm admitting to pretty much taking the holidays off and slacking

again this weekend....there, I said it....and I paid for it on the scale.

I'm not sure what my problem is, but I lost 50# with relative ease......and

now I find myself struggling at every turn. I am hoping that by putting my

failure into writing that I'll be able to do something about it starting

right now.

Thanks for listening....

Liz

_____

From: Tory K

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:47 PM

To: Serious-Weight-Watchers

Subject: RE: Re: Grocery Shopping at Wal-Mart