Re: Weight problems

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Hi, , Would you share with me more diet info, the whats and

how muches etc? This diet area is a big area for a lot of us! Congratulations

on the weight loss and thank you for sharing. That sort of info is

what inspires the rest of us to go to the extra trouble, and it IS

extra trouble, to eat properly. I don't really want to go macrobiotic

and want to prove I can do this first by eating just really well.

Hugs,

and wrote:

From: " and " <jamulder@...>

Hi all,I am generally a lurker

but thought I should send a quick note to share some info with you.I

started on high doses of prednisolone (40 to 50 mg's daily) in Jan of 97

and am presently on 6 mg daily. I have been on 6 since about August

99 and not quite game to go any further lower at the moment. I did

have weight gain in that time of approx 30 to 35 kgs, definitely no less.

Now my Dr and Rheumy and orthodpedic surgeon and friends all sympathized

with me each time I complained of weight gain but said I wouldn't be able

to lose it due to the drugs and inability to exercise!Well,

I got determined when my feet used to sting from being so swollen.I

changed NSIADS from Naprosyn to Brufen and then to Celebrex.I

went to a dietician who helped me to understand what daily balanced healthy

eating was all about. this meant understanding what my body needs

to survive and what it needs to lose weight and what healthy really means.Well

I have been doing lots of reading, cut out all dairy ( I hated it and it

hated me), eats lots of fresh food, drink lots of water and know not only

what I eat but how much and how good it is or isn't for me.Since

about 11/10/99, Not really sure on the exact day I started but I have steadily

lost almost 20 kgs.I am really happy. I still

have the RA pain and destructed joits but no where near as much swelling

in the feet and legs, hardly any fluid retention per say and I hope to

keep going. I also notice a lot less fatigue. In

December some of you may remember that I replaced the Lincocin I/v with

250mg Zithromax on Tues and Thurs and get my first blood tests (since the

change) back this week so will update with them in a couple of days.I

hope my story shows that it is possible to lose weight without turning

into a gymnist or scientist! I do go to a motorised gym for 1 hr

once a week though and it assists in mobilising my joints (I don't get

a sweat up) I also get in the pool about 4 or 5 days a week for up

to an hour but I don't swim strokes. Just play or relax or generally

move around and do a few more mobilisation exercises and sit in the spa. I

hope my notes are enough to generate some hope and thank everyone for their

posts as many times I read something off the list that helps me live with

RA and even though I may not post anything in response I still call this

list my survival line. Regards

ra Jan 97 ap May 98

Townsville Australia

jamulder@...

http://www.ultra.net.au/~jamulder/

icq 16695755

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Hi, Bev, I do want to tell you that I am not losing weight although I have

had no sugar, wheat, dairy, (except for rice cheese and rice milk) chocolate

and caffeine in three months. My doctor said yesterday it is because I still

eat large portions and consume lots of beans. He said the beans will pack it

on. I love beans! And when I eat beans, I feel more filled - which I guess I

am - and fool myself into thinking I am not being deprived of the pork and beef

etc. So did want to let you know this still is a problem with me so I am going

on this bandwagon of more vegies with you guys. Then when we all get together,

we will all look swelvt but very, very wrinkled. Love,

Briarwood wrote:

> From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...>

>

> ,

> I second Lynne's opinion. I would like to lose about 50 lbs too. With

> the nice weather coming it should be easier for us all because we can get

> out and around easier. No snow drifts! You are a great role model.

> Please keep us posted on your progress. I am trying to wean off dairy and

> fried foods and eat more veggies.

> Thanks for sharing your accomplishments. I think it is wonderful yu are

> doing this on your own. :>)

>

> Bev

>

> > , thanks so much for sharing your inspiring accomplishments! I too

> > would like to hear about your diet. I have just started on wheat- and

> > dairy-free. Your post came at just the right time - a great role model!

> >

> > Take care and keep us posted, please!

> >

> > Lynne

> >

> >

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Hello All! I'M BACK!!! I see such a lot of letters here regarding weight.

Wish I had been here to join in but did want to share something interesting

with you which I discovered on my journey to Seattle and Spokane. First, the

first couple of days were spent with a friend who is on Dr. Atkins diet so we

both were very good. Then I left here and became the chaperon to these high

school kids, none of whom had taken enough money with them for the

necessities. As a result, all our meals were fast food, food court cheap

stuff. There went the diet!!!! Within two days of bread, sugar, dairy

(cheese) etc. etc. etc., all the pain in my hands, fingers, legs and feet

which had disappeared over the three months, were back in full force! I came

home to my husband's homemade veggie soup and new insight. Diet DOES make a

different. I also gained five pounds. So now I go back to no wheat, sugar,

caffeine, chocolate, dairy. But the good news is that with this new insight,

it have stronger commitment. I actually made a really quick trip to Pike's

market where I purchased five dollars of baby bok chow as I cannot get that

here. Also bought myself a new wok. In other words, I was really good to

myself and purchased a couple of things to make my new cooking habits more

enjoyable. I also would like to share once a week with the group, a recipe

which has been " reformed " for our eating commitments and wish the others would

do the same. I think the journey would be so much easier. Carol, try this

with us and see if it does not make a difference. What do you guys think

about the recipe sharing? I thought about this as right before I left, my

daughter who has Chron's put together the most beautiful recipe book with

recipes adapted for me. It was such a beautiful gift of love and I am going to

have fun making these meals. Let me know what you think! Love,

Carol wrote:

> From: Carol <carscott@...>

>

> ,

> Good Lord girl, what DO you eat???? <big grin> Well besides the beans that

> is. I would like a list of what you do get to eat!!! It sure sounds to me

> like you are doing all the right things. I'm in total awe at the way you

> control yourself!!! I, on the other hand have absolutley no control. :-(((

> You go girl!!!

> HUGS:-)))

> Carol

>

> Oh Yes, and Geoff.......what veggies did you put in the cocktail that gave

> you energy and caused weight loss?? :-)))

>

> At 12:34 PM 3/8/00 -0800, Geoff Crenshaw wrote:

> >From: " Geoff Crenshaw " <geoff@...>

> >

> >Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here.

> >

> > > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:43:36 -0700

> > > From: Fain <slfain@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Weight problems

> > >

> > > Hi, Bev, I do want to tell you that I am not losing weight although

> >I have

> > > had no sugar, wheat, dairy, (except for rice cheese and rice milk)

> >chocolate

> > > and caffeine in three months. My doctor said yesterday it is because

> >I still

> > > eat large portions and consume lots of beans. He said the beans will

> >pack it

> > > on. I love beans! And when I eat beans, I feel more filled - which I

> >guess I

> > > am - and fool myself into thinking I am not being deprived of the pork

> >and beef

> > > etc. So did want to let you know this still is a problem with me so I

> >am going

> > > on this bandwagon of more vegies with you guys. Then when we all get

> >together,

> > > we will all look swelvt but very, very wrinkled. Love,

> >

> >In the FWIW dept., I " discovered " (yeah, right - well, a discovery for

> > " me " anyway) that a glass of juiced veggies was EXTREMELY filling, like

> >a very heavy meal. But gave me tons of energy - and the bulk and fiber

> >help loose weight. I also found out I could not stand to juice very

> >sweet stuff - like carrots - but enjoyed spinach instead. You might want

> >to try something like that. BTW, the commercial juices in cans, fruits

> >juices, etc., are NOT the same.

> >

> >HTH

> >

> >Regards,

> >

> >Geoff Crenshaw, ACC -----------------------

> >Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers **

> > -----------------------

> >Why do I have hope?

> >Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

> > EXO 12:7-3 / MAR 14:24 / REV 12:11

> >

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> >

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Hi, Bev! I perused the 231 emails waiting to be read last night and saw your,

" Good Lord, Girl, what DO you eat? " letter. LOL I am back to being really

good. I go to a health food grocery store which does not have much but it does

have a little to offer me. I will tell you I cannot afford the bison meat which

I was told was a better substitute for beef. I don't know WHO could afford to

eat that all the time. Besides it was not that good. I make a great meat loaf

with ground turkey. I use garlic (love garlic), onions, salt (Real Salt),

pepper, one egg, and instead of crackers which I used to use for beef meat loaf

filler, I have purchased several packages of rice crackers. I grind enough of

them up and put those in. Sometimes I add a few oats. Be sure to use enough

spices. I eat that several times a week - obviously one would have to love it -

and it makes a really good sandwich using the Ezekiel bread toasted with a tad

of mayonnaise and, of course, romaine lettuce. I NEVER eat ice berg. So that

gives me a really good meat. I bought lots of different beans at Pike Street

Market while in Seattle and want to try to find a source for those. For

breakfast, I eat cream of rice, oatmeal, one egg with manna bread or a slide of

toasted rye. I have been buying one brand of 100% fruit which has no additives

and use less than a teaspoon of that for jelly. I can't tell over the past

three months that it hurt me. In addition to that, at the health food grocery

store, I found two cold cereals I can have. One is spelt cereal and the other

is KAMUT Cereal made from amaranth, quinoa and brown rice. It is great. I do

not use soy milk or regular milk, I have learned to use rice milk.

For lunch, I usually take my lunch to the office using leftovers,

primarily beans, beats which I cook, brussell sprouts, veggie soup, my meat

loaf, salad with organic pure rice milk and olive oil for the condiments and, of

course, the usual pure rice cracker. I sometimes take a slice of rice cheese

which tastes just like American. I have a recipe for a cake made with carob and

our acceptable flours and pecans which is great. Is it as good as Betty Crocker

brownies. Nothing is. But this is good. Other days I go to a yuppie cafe for

lunch and have a great salad they make with or without grilled chicken slices.

They know me and now automatically leave off the parmesan cheese. They also make

several yuppie soups and if they don't contain sugar or dairy, then I have a cup

of that. (Just saw your comment about bacon and eggs and in giant letters of

Mercola/Nicholson diets, it says NO PORK!) I also make approximately two

bunches of fresh spinah per day as I love it but have discovered when I cook it,

the family gobbles it up before I get to help my plate so have upped that to two

bunches. I use the spinach in many different dishes. While on the trip, I had

scrambled eggs with spinach and artichoke. It was delicious. I will post on

here today the recipe I have for the spinach lasagna which, again, is strictly

legit. This is one that my daughter sent me which she already uses in her home

and it is sooooo good. My family ate it up. Once amonth, I allow myself a rice

or soy milk latte so I don't feel like I am being completely removed from the

world. I drink only water and twig tea which as Mark or Geoff said to me a long

time ago, water can be hot, cold, on ice, tepid etc. etc. etc. I drink the twig

tea the same way. Besides not eating properly in Seattle, I did not drink

enough liquid so I think my pains now are a combinatin of that. So back to

being good. Bev, I LOVED the picture! I asked if she would put it in the

album area along with your wonderful house picture. I know we can do this diet

thing and by exchanging recipes which we know are legit, it will be so much

easier and certainly more fun. Also, I cook a lot of short grain brown rice and

eat it plain or I make fried rice which I absolutely love. I do use wheat free

tamari for that dish. Oh, and also I do eat a lot of fish. If I am going to

saute fish, I use organic ground up pecans on the outside for " texture " or

batter. I saute using oNLY olive oil. I don't use anything besides butter and

olive oil in cooking or eating. I like cod, hallibut, salmon croquettes and

crab and crab/shrimp croquettes (again using the ground up rice crackers instead

of bread crumbs for the filler) and sometimes using the ground up organic pecans

as the outside texture. We eat this a lot. I also have a recipe sent to me for

" brownies " from my daughter which, unfortunately, I forgot to include the stevia

and were rather plain but I could tell they would be really delicious. I used

oat and amaranth flours for that one. I also have a gage for using stevia which

has eleviated failed dishes for me - unless I completely forget! I will also

post that for you guys to print out. Well, got to run shower and get ready for

work. My brain is finally clear enough that I am going to attempt to do all the

taxes which have accumulated finally. I will post the recipe today. I think if

I remember Steve said he has some at his site but I don't know where that site

if. If you do, would you let me know???? Also is preparing some recipes

for us, too. I do believe this is sooooo important. I don't think the diet is

everything but obviously water and diet were important in my slipping back into

pain. And I did have a great time. My daughter was quite ill during the trip.

We could not figure out what was gong wrong as she took her batch of meds every

day without fail. The last two days, she would hold on to my arm as she was

afraid she would go out again but did didn't. On the ride home, she realized

what had been wrong. She had been taking the main heart medication in the

mornings but not at night so we had enough med in her for the heart not to stop

but for it to skip beats or rush and her to feel weak. I think we were lucky,

considering. Regarding surgery. Surgery won't work for this. Pacemaker is the

next step which I and the doctor have pushed Sommer to do; however, once the

pacemaker is in, it is in for life and Sommer wants to try the medical route

first. She is another one of my heroes. Her attitude continues to be terrific.

I will have to say, these two daughters are just dreams, such great character

and compassion. My sons are also great but I have to say that these girls are

such good friends.

By the way, Bev, the picture you sent shows a totally different landscape

from the house. It looks absolutely beautiful there! And glad to hear the mug

was filled with water! An aside I just remembered - when doing the required

amount of water and the proper diet, the word constipation was not in my

vocabulary. I was right in there on how I was supposed to be. That ended on

the trip. Now back home with the water and diet last night, I can already see

the body in action. Isn't that something? :>)) Love,

p.s. Is Lisbeth back and how did she do. Do we know? Did anybody hear from

Carol with the bleeding and passing out? I am concerned. Again, love,

Briarwood wrote:

> ,

> So glad to hear from you and hear you had a successful and enjoyable trip.

> You must be in pretty good shape to handle all the running around you did.

> I think the recipe idea is a good one and I'm interested. I find I am

> losing weight since I have become more active since I am feeling better and

> better. I even got into jeans right out of the dryer without the usual

> contortions which is some feat. You are lucky to have a lot of support on

> the diet. I'm struggling to try to figure it out and can't believe bacon

> and eggs are on a " diet " . I will get the Dr. Atkins book when I get a

> chance to get into a bigger shopping center as they don't have it in the

> rinkey dink stores in the boonies.

> So glad you are doing well and Welcome Back. :>))

>

> Bev

>

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> AIM - BriarBee

> >

> > Hello All! I'M BACK!!! I see such a lot of letters here regarding

> weight.

> > Wish I had been here to join in but did want to share something

> interesting

> > with you which I discovered on my journey to Seattle and Spokane. First,

> the

> > first couple of days were spent with a friend who is on Dr. Atkins diet so

> we

> > both were very good. Then I left here and became the chaperon to these

> high

[Guest guest]

TWO QUESTIONS: Geoff or , won't xanthum gun substitute for the corn

starch???

I don't eat any rice at all except for small grained brown rice. I find it

does just fine for fried rice or just rice rice. Why can't you eat that,

Lynne? I printed out your recipe and intend to make it tomorrow. Someone tell

Lynn, can't she have the small grained brown rice? I will tell you that all

three of my SD mentors eat the small grained brown rice for almost every

meal. They also eat steamed vegies with it for breakfast. I have a long, long

way to go before I have the fortitude to do that. Made a blackberry cobbler

for the family tonight and I am downstairs writing this for my fortitude! As

far as the subject matter of organizing, I am not the one to ask, Babs or

Chris? Want to help us out here? Hugs,

Lynne Locatell wrote:

> From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...>

>

> Count me in on diet and recipe support. I'm having no problem following the

> wheat and dairy free, but no change in symptoms and a flair after

> introducing rice bread made w/yeast and fruit juice. So will go on low carb

> after gall bladder surgery this week or next. Look forward to brainstorming

> with you all. Should we have a special email Subject to identify diet and

> recipe posts?

>

> The hardest part about these diets is having to get organized. My problem

> is breakfast and lunch on a weird schedule. But I'm really pumped by all

> the support on this list and motivated to make the changes necessary to

> have this work.

>

> , I love chinese cooking - I'm glad you went for the baby bok choy!!!

>

> I was a vegetarian for a few years and really got into cooking vegetables.

> I got great ideas from chinese, italian, indian, indonesian cuisine. The

> Greens cookbook is also great, especially some easy and delicious soups.

> Here's my chinese all-purpose stir-fry recipe, it's simple and fast:

>

> Heat 1-2 Tbsp. of oil till hot, add minced or smashed garlic, throw in

> cut-up veggies still wet from being washed. There's a lot of sizzling. Stir

> it up on high for 2-3 minutes and then add a little water and salt to

> taste. Let them sit and steam for a few more minutes on high till they're

> done to your liking, add more water if necessary. Turn off the heat, add a

> little sesame oil, toss and serve. This recipe makes anything taste good.

> My favorites are chard, bok choy, any kind of cabbage, broccoli, kale

> (needs extra steaming time), spring greens, spinach, peppers, broccoli

> rabe, carrots, pea pods.

>

> Spice it up with ginger, red pepper flakes, or chili sauce added with the

> garlic.

>

> To add meat, cut it thinly, stir fry in a small amount of oil, remove and

> drain and then add to veggies later. This way nothing gets overcooked.

>

> For Italian style, use olive oil and leave out the sesame oil.

>

> If you want sauce, add broth to veggies and meat. When it boils add a

> couple of Tbsp. of cornstarch (depending on how much broth) mixed in a

> little cold water, and white pepper. Stir till thickened and add sesame

> oil. The white pepper really makes for a special taste. Of course the

> cornstarch is a no-no for low-carb or allergies but you can make a yummy

> soup.

>

> For soup, undercook the veggies a bit, add the meat to the broth uncooked

> at the end - make sure it's thinly sliced. You can do the meat this way for

> the sauce version too. I made it with kale and chicken breast last night -

> great combo over rice!

>

> My beloved rice, I'll miss it Give me strength, beloved group!

> Lynne

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Hi, Gloria, I shop a combination of regular grocery, health food grocery

store (organic) and the Health Food store which carries a few things. I have

discovered there is a real difference in prices in places carrying the rice

milk. I buy a container for $1.29 in one place and it will be $1.96 in

another. I find that a big difference in such a small container. It is a

taste which requires getting used to but now I don't mind it. I don't drink

just milk, however, but use it in my cooking or over my cold ceral. I don't

buy meat at the health grocery store except for the ground turkey and it is

not that bad. But you have to realize that I don't eat much beef and I have

given up all pork as indicated in the diet. That pretty much leaves me with

canned tuna, salmon and crab and fresh fish occasionally with most meat being

chicken or turkey. If I make a pot roast, I eat the veggies out of it but

leave the beef alone. The one thing I would recommend for you is to go to

that health food store and buy organic rice vinegar (or else in the chinese

sectin of the regular grocery store) PURE rice vinegar. Then I will sprinkle

some of that with some olive oil sprinkled on my salad. That is the only one

I use; however, I have a new recipe which I will share with the group for

raspberry vinegrette which we can make for ourselves. Then you don't feel so

deprived with the choices. The problem with salads in restaurants with the

raspberry vinegrette is that they put sugar in it. I just see you asked

about rice MILK and olive oil for salad. I must have written wrong, I meant

rice vinegar and olive oil. I purchase my fruit from organic but I don't buy

much fruit. The diet says limit it so I do. Maybe it even says None. I need

to reread that. So far, I have not given up green peppers (which I failed to

mention that I put in the turkey meat loaf) and tomatoes or tomato sauce

which I use to make my own organic speghetti sauce. What I recomend you look

for at the health food stores, and not all ofo them carry it, is the spelt or

rice lasagna and/or speghetti noodles. I also sometimes add the fresh

spinach - just a tad - to my turkey meatloaf. I also purchase rice cheese -

it comes in American and Mozarella flavors and yes, I use the Mozarella

flavors for my " lasagna " . It works really well. I don't feel sorry for

myself. The truth is that my view of life has been greatly enlarged by the

wonderful people I have met on this journey together and I certainly think we

have all learned the valuable lesson of compassion. I know I needed that

one. I never understood what my wonderful daughter with Chron's disease or

my 17 year old with the heart problem was dealing with. And I still don't

but I now think my understanding is closer. Somethings which were SO

important to me before just pale now. I think my passion has gone from

THINGS to my family and friends. Maybe in the long run, we are the fortunate

ones. I know this must seem a stretch right now but, oh, Gloria, it just

seems as if I have been placed in certain places and times and met just

tremendous people, all of which had something to give and I went away or am a

better person for it.

Regarding the pacemaker, That is the only option left. I was not sure I

was going to get Sommer home yesterday. She was sick the entire time we were

gone; however, she has enough drugs in her system where the heart does not

completely stop. It just quits and then rushes and rushes. She says she

feels it over her entire body. We discussed the pace maker again yesterday

and she has been on the couch or in bed all day today. She is of an age

where she does not want to " give up. " The young, they think they are so

invincable. She had been going to go to military academy and then FBI. Of

course, the military has now shut down their interest in her while her friend

is now doing what she so wanted. But I figure, God has a plan for Sommer and

it must be terrific as she is being toughened up and learning new coping

ways. I intend to call the heart specialist tomorrow and we will again

address the problem but thank you so much for your concern. See? That is

that COMPASSION coming through.

Gloria, I don't know if there is any TRUE way to do this. Like I said,

two of my scleraderma mentors are totally macrobiotic and both of them eat

soy. My other mentor is on a diet quite similar to ours and she also does

not touch soy - like our diet says. But all three of them are getting well.

I have a huge list of the herbal supplements which I have begun and I will

post. There are so many of them I am sure it will stir up a quality net

discussion! I would again, suggest you go purchase the different flours.

Keep them in your freezer. Purchase some xanthum gum and tapioca flour for

thickening. I think you will find with all the recipes getting ready to be

posted, you will have some new times of fun ahead! You were right about the

not eating out not being worth the suffering. But isn't that a good lesson to

know? Something so simple and clear that we know makes a difference?

Love, Oh, another thought! Get some stevia so you will be ready to

cook with something that won't hurt you. I will post the way to use it as

boy, does it taste bitter if used improperly! And some carob and pecans or

walnuts, so you will be ready for " your brownies. "

Gloria M Tate wrote:

> Dear ,

> I am hopeful that your daughter will go for the pacemaker soon. It is

> just too dangerous not to in many cases. My friend's daughter had one

> put in when she was two. They said she was the youngest they had done

> back then, and she is still going fine without any trouble at 25.

> that was a great letter about food. I am printing it out for ideas.

> I can't eat anything with corn and whenever I eat out, I invariably have

> a lot of pain and swelling of fingers the next day. We used to love to

> eat out, too, but it is getting to be just not worth the increased

> suffering. Do you find that shopping at the Health food market and

> wherever else you get your food is much more expensive? It seems like it

> would be so I have been avoiding it so far. I do need to go in and check

> out some of those foods you mentioned. When you use rice milk and olive

> oil for salad, do you mix them together or what? Do you avoid vinegar

> and oil?

> Thank you and welcome back,

> Gloria

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[Guest guest]

For all of you wondering about Twig Tea, it is GREAT! I am from the south and

drank tea every day all my life. That was the most difficult thing to give up.

Then Maureen told me about twig tea. I bought it and admit I was really

skeptical. I can't tell the difference between the caffeinated Lipton regular

tea which is a grand NONO for us and the twig tea. It is tea harvested from the

tea twig or limb rather than the leaf where you find all the caffeine. I drink

it hot and cold over ice - as I did my entire life. I sneaked it in to my

family (I had been making two different teas for me and for them) and they did

not notice at all. I still like green tea occasionally but the twig is great.

You will, however, have to go into the smelley health food places to purchase

it! Ezekiel bread is made from sprouts. There are some real experts on the net

here who steered me to the ezekiel bread. It even comes in Cinnamon Raisin in

addition to the plain. I can't eat it unless it is toasted as it is do dry but

will do for great sandwiches when toasted. The manna bread comes in different

varieties, too, and is somewhat sweet flavored. It won't make sandwiches as it

is too moist (like bread pudding) but toasted in the mornings is yummy. Bev,

this is like scotch - an acquired taste. I never did acquire the taste of

scotch but try these with the attitude that they are gifts given to you to

live. Really try to meditate about this - almost like Christians would meditate

about the Euchrist and the Host. I just meditate about the energy being given

to me to live through these foods and I can say my taste is changing to

accommodate my needs. Remember, and I do like Dr. Weil, that we do have some

problems others do not have and his diet might not always meet out particular

health needs, however close. And unlike you, I don't think I will ever stop

likeing white gluey, doughey bread! I love that stuff but I try to think of it

as some kind of poison. Sort of like roses with thorns! Beware the thorns!

Have a great day! Love,

Briarwood wrote:

> From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...>

>

> > good. I go to a health food grocery store which does not have much but it

> does

> > have a little to offer me. I will tell you I cannot afford the bison meat

> which

> > I was told was a better substitute for beef. I don't know WHO could

> afford to

> > eat that all the time> and it makes a really good sandwich using the

> Ezekiel bread toasted with a tad

>

> , the health food store here is one I wouldn't buy food in. They

> sell organic eggs, and all sorts of bulk spices and soup mixes, raisons,

> etc. but it smells so medicinal I gag. They have oatmeal soaps and

> essential oils that reek. I would rather buy my groceries at the big box

> grocery store. They have such a great selection and everything looks so

> nice and fresh.

> What is Ezekiel bread? We use whole grain breads all the time. Dr.

> Weill was on PBS again last night and suggested whole grain breads. I

> can't eat white bread anymore. It tastes like glue to me now.

>

> > For lunch, I usually take my lunch to the office using leftovers,

> > primarily beans, beats which I cook, brussell sprouts, veggie soup, my

> meat

> > loaf, salad with organic pure rice milk and olive oil for the condiments

> and, of

> > course, the usual pure rice cracker. I sometimes take a slice of rice

> cheese

> > which tastes just like American. I have a recipe for a cake made with

> carob and

> > our acceptable flours and pecans which is great. Is it as good as Betty

> Crocker

> > brownies. Nothing is. But this is good. Other days I go to a yuppie

> cafe for

> > lunch and have a great salad they make with or without grilled chicken

> slices.

> > They know me and now automatically leave off the parmesan cheese. They

> also make

>

> I do the leftovers too. We make double the amount for meals and freeze a

> quite a bit of meals, or else have them the next day. Dr. Weill mentioned

> an egg a day is just fine and we love eggs. I get brown eggs from a

> neighbour who has hens and they are lovely and fresh.

>

> > world. I drink only water and twig tea which as Mark or Geoff said to me

> a long

> > time ago, water can be hot, cold, on ice, tepid etc. etc. etc. I drink the

> twig

> > tea the same way. Besides not eating properly in Seattle, I did not drink

> > enough liquid so I think my pains now are a combinatin of that.

>

> , what is twig tea? I have Lipton's Green Tea and it tastes like

> warmed up swamp. Yuk! I am trying to cut down on the Red Rose (Did you

> notice the lovely new Package, with beautiful red roses on the box?) and

> drink more water.

>

> So back to

> > being good. Bev, I LOVED the picture! I asked if she would put it

> in the

> > album area along with your wonderful house picture. I know we can do this

> diet

> > thing and by exchanging recipes which we know are legit, it will be so

> much

> > easier and certainly more fun. > batter. I saute using oNLY olive oil.

> I don't use anything besides butter and

> > olive oil in cooking or eating. I like cod, hallibut, salmon croquettes

> and

>

> It won't take you long to get back into the swing of things . You

> put so much thought and work into this diet. I feel good about using

> Olive Oil and butter for cooking also. If I want to succeed with the diet,

> and I do, I will have to gradually introduce these changes with my family

> because it is just impossible to cook different meals for me and have them

> eating like we do now. I find we eat a lot of fried foods.

> The pictures at at the back of our farm. Behind the farm buildings we have

> rolling hills that go right to the back of the property then that woods.

> It is all overgrown but a treat to walk through and see the beaver dam and

> all the birds and occasional deer. No one goes in it much.

> Occasionally we have to go back and clear out hunters because we don't allow

> hunting. They are sneaky. They use bows and arrows sometimes, so you

> don't hear the gunshots.

>

> Thanks for all the wonderful diet hints, . With us all doing it, we

> can do better with the support. I am not going to introduce anything too

> different because my guys wouldn't eat it. They are steak and potatoes

> people, so I have to go slow.

>

> Talk to you soon. :>))

>

> Hugs

> Bev

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, thanks so much for sharing your inspiring accomplishments! I too

would like to hear about your diet. I have just started on wheat- and

dairy-free. Your post came at just the right time - a great role model!

Take care and keep us posted, please!

Lynne

[Guest guest]

,

I second Lynne's opinion. I would like to lose about 50 lbs too. With

the nice weather coming it should be easier for us all because we can get

out and around easier. No snow drifts! You are a great role model.

Please keep us posted on your progress. I am trying to wean off dairy and

fried foods and eat more veggies.

Thanks for sharing your accomplishments. I think it is wonderful yu are

doing this on your own. :>)

Bev

> , thanks so much for sharing your inspiring accomplishments! I too

> would like to hear about your diet. I have just started on wheat- and

> dairy-free. Your post came at just the right time - a great role model!

>

> Take care and keep us posted, please!

>

> Lynne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Now I wouldn't have thought beans would make you fat but I guess it depends

on how many you eat. My husband loves baked beans and he'd gladly eat them

every day. I don't care much for them because when we were kids we were

left at the cottage for a week and we ate all the good stuff and had three

days left with only beans and Klik. I hate Klik and beans to this day.

I am trying to eat an apple a day like does. I wash them first with

dish soap to get the pesticides off them. You'd be surprised how they fill

you up.

BTW Dr. Weill was on PBS two nights ago hosting a seminar on eating

healthy and weight loss and suggested we can eat pasta but cook it el dente,

not too soft. It was such a good program. I am hoping it is on again so

I can tape it. I just surfed to it by accident.

I took this photo an hour ago as we went up the side road to the woods so yu

can see how much I have to lose. I have my Tim Horton Coffee Mug full of

water with me.

We'll get there and it helps to have someone else going along too.

:>))

Bev

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Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here.

> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:43:36 -0700

> From: Fain <slfain@...>

> Subject: Re: Weight problems

>

> Hi, Bev, I do want to tell you that I am not losing weight although

I have

> had no sugar, wheat, dairy, (except for rice cheese and rice milk)

chocolate

> and caffeine in three months. My doctor said yesterday it is because

I still

> eat large portions and consume lots of beans. He said the beans will

pack it

> on. I love beans! And when I eat beans, I feel more filled - which I

guess I

> am - and fool myself into thinking I am not being deprived of the pork

and beef

> etc. So did want to let you know this still is a problem with me so I

am going

> on this bandwagon of more vegies with you guys. Then when we all get

together,

> we will all look swelvt but very, very wrinkled. Love,

In the FWIW dept., I " discovered " (yeah, right - well, a discovery for

" me " anyway) that a glass of juiced veggies was EXTREMELY filling, like

a very heavy meal. But gave me tons of energy - and the bulk and fiber

help loose weight. I also found out I could not stand to juice very

sweet stuff - like carrots - but enjoyed spinach instead. You might want

to try something like that. BTW, the commercial juices in cans, fruits

juices, etc., are NOT the same.

HTH

Regards,

Geoff Crenshaw, ACC -----------------------

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-----------------------

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Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

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And it sneaks up on you. You wouldn't think it would be unreasonable at

all to gain only 2 pounds a year as you age, but think of that times

twenty or thirty and there you are. Don't give up though. You KNOW you

can do this if you are totally determined. And less weight on the joints

will pay off in less pain and deformity.

You could make a fortune writing the baked beans and klik diet book.

That would do it for me as I hate both.

love,

Gloria

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,

Good Lord girl, what DO you eat???? <big grin> Well besides the beans that

is. I would like a list of what you do get to eat!!! It sure sounds to me

like you are doing all the right things. I'm in total awe at the way you

control yourself!!! I, on the other hand have absolutley no control. :-(((

You go girl!!!

HUGS:-)))

Carol

Oh Yes, and Geoff.......what veggies did you put in the cocktail that gave

you energy and caused weight loss?? :-)))

At 12:34 PM 3/8/00 -0800, Geoff Crenshaw wrote:

>From: " Geoff Crenshaw " <geoff@...>

>

>Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here.

>

> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:43:36 -0700

> > From: Fain <slfain@...>

> > Subject: Re: Weight problems

> >

> > Hi, Bev, I do want to tell you that I am not losing weight although

>I have

> > had no sugar, wheat, dairy, (except for rice cheese and rice milk)

>chocolate

> > and caffeine in three months. My doctor said yesterday it is because

>I still

> > eat large portions and consume lots of beans. He said the beans will

>pack it

> > on. I love beans! And when I eat beans, I feel more filled - which I

>guess I

> > am - and fool myself into thinking I am not being deprived of the pork

>and beef

> > etc. So did want to let you know this still is a problem with me so I

>am going

> > on this bandwagon of more vegies with you guys. Then when we all get

>together,

> > we will all look swelvt but very, very wrinkled. Love,

>

>In the FWIW dept., I " discovered " (yeah, right - well, a discovery for

> " me " anyway) that a glass of juiced veggies was EXTREMELY filling, like

>a very heavy meal. But gave me tons of energy - and the bulk and fiber

>help loose weight. I also found out I could not stand to juice very

>sweet stuff - like carrots - but enjoyed spinach instead. You might want

>to try something like that. BTW, the commercial juices in cans, fruits

>juices, etc., are NOT the same.

>

>HTH

>

>Regards,

>

>Geoff Crenshaw, ACC -----------------------

>Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers **

> -----------------------

>Why do I have hope?

>Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

> EXO 12:7-3 / MAR 14:24 / REV 12:11

>

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Bev:-)))

I just wanted to tell you that I think you look just fine......cuter than a

bugs ear!!! <big grin> And give yourself credit, at least you are out there

walking on the back road!!! Good girl, keep up the good work!!! Oh and

what's pasta el dente? He said to eat pasta with absolutley nothing on it

though, right??? :-((( One more thing, what is Klik???

HUGS:-)))

Carol

At 03:30 PM 3/8/00 -0500, Briarwood wrote:

>From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...>

>

>

>I took this photo an hour ago as we went up the side road to the woods so yu

>can see how much I have to lose. I have my Tim Horton Coffee Mug full of

>water with me.

>

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[Guest guest]

ok, what's " klik " ?

Babs

[Guest guest]

Now, Bev, what is the sodium content of Klik, hmmmmm?

Babs

RA 8/98, DX 4/99, AP 11/99

200 mg. Minocin

112 mcg. Synthroid

2 mg. Hytrin

10 mg. Lipitor

Mestinon

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Thanks for your nice words. I can't believe I walked all that way. It

took us 30 minutes to get there cuz the fields were still soggy and wet and

we couldn't take the shortcut down the middle of the fields. El Dente

means I believe , to the tooth, and means you cook it til it is slightly

firm and not soft. You could put whatever your wanted on it, I suppose.

Carol, I have had several inquiries as to what Klik is and have come to the

conclusion it is a Canadian delicacy. It is like Spam. Cooked pork in a

can. It is nice on a sandwich with lettuce and mustard and mayonaise.

The nice thing about it is it will keep on a shelf probably for years and

you don't need to refrigerate it and you always have something for a snack.

It was great at the cottage because it travels and stores well.

Have a nice night! :>))

Hugs

Bev

> Bev:-)))

> I just wanted to tell you that I think you look just fine......cuter than

a

> bugs ear!!! <big grin> And give yourself credit, at least you are out

there

> walking on the back road!!! Good girl, keep up the good work!!! Oh and

> what's pasta el dente? He said to eat pasta with absolutley nothing on it

> though, right??? :-((( One more thing, what is Klik???

> HUGS:-)))

> Carol

> At 03:30 PM 3/8/00 -0500, Briarwood wrote:

> >From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...>

> >

[Guest guest]

Babs,

Probably something we shouldn't eat. Tinned pork, like Spam. It is

very popular and good for camping and cottages because it travels good and

you don't have to refrigerate it til yu open it. We also have Kam, same

kinda product.

Bev

> ok, what's " klik " ?

>

> Babs

[Guest guest]

Babs,

I can just imagine. I've never actually read the ingredients on the tin.

I don't know what food group it would fit into. :>))

Bev

> Now, Bev, what is the sodium content of Klik, hmmmmm?

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the reminder and insight. I have been doing really well for the

past year plus, but I have had some twinges in the past few months. I am

going to work on improving my diet.

RA 3 yrs AP 22 mths

P.S. I am very jealous of your trip to the Pike St market. I is truly one of

the fun places in Seattle. I go there every time I make it to Seattle, which

is not nearly often enough.

[Guest guest]

,

So glad to hear from you and hear you had a successful and enjoyable trip.

You must be in pretty good shape to handle all the running around you did.

I think the recipe idea is a good one and I'm interested. I find I am

losing weight since I have become more active since I am feeling better and

better. I even got into jeans right out of the dryer without the usual

contortions which is some feat. You are lucky to have a lot of support on

the diet. I'm struggling to try to figure it out and can't believe bacon

and eggs are on a " diet " . I will get the Dr. Atkins book when I get a

chance to get into a bigger shopping center as they don't have it in the

rinkey dink stores in the boonies.

So glad you are doing well and Welcome Back. :>))

Bev

icq -16430679

AIM - BriarBee

>

> Hello All! I'M BACK!!! I see such a lot of letters here regarding

weight.

> Wish I had been here to join in but did want to share something

interesting

> with you which I discovered on my journey to Seattle and Spokane. First,

the

> first couple of days were spent with a friend who is on Dr. Atkins diet so

we

> both were very good. Then I left here and became the chaperon to these

high

[Guest guest]

Count me in on diet and recipe support. I'm having no problem following the

wheat and dairy free, but no change in symptoms and a flair after

introducing rice bread made w/yeast and fruit juice. So will go on low carb

after gall bladder surgery this week or next. Look forward to brainstorming

with you all. Should we have a special email Subject to identify diet and

recipe posts?

The hardest part about these diets is having to get organized. My problem

is breakfast and lunch on a weird schedule. But I'm really pumped by all

the support on this list and motivated to make the changes necessary to

have this work.

, I love chinese cooking - I'm glad you went for the baby bok choy!!!

I was a vegetarian for a few years and really got into cooking vegetables.

I got great ideas from chinese, italian, indian, indonesian cuisine. The

Greens cookbook is also great, especially some easy and delicious soups.

Here's my chinese all-purpose stir-fry recipe, it's simple and fast:

Heat 1-2 Tbsp. of oil till hot, add minced or smashed garlic, throw in

cut-up veggies still wet from being washed. There's a lot of sizzling. Stir

it up on high for 2-3 minutes and then add a little water and salt to

taste. Let them sit and steam for a few more minutes on high till they're

done to your liking, add more water if necessary. Turn off the heat, add a

little sesame oil, toss and serve. This recipe makes anything taste good.

My favorites are chard, bok choy, any kind of cabbage, broccoli, kale

(needs extra steaming time), spring greens, spinach, peppers, broccoli

rabe, carrots, pea pods.

Spice it up with ginger, red pepper flakes, or chili sauce added with the

garlic.

To add meat, cut it thinly, stir fry in a small amount of oil, remove and

drain and then add to veggies later. This way nothing gets overcooked.

For Italian style, use olive oil and leave out the sesame oil.

If you want sauce, add broth to veggies and meat. When it boils add a

couple of Tbsp. of cornstarch (depending on how much broth) mixed in a

little cold water, and white pepper. Stir till thickened and add sesame

oil. The white pepper really makes for a special taste. Of course the

cornstarch is a no-no for low-carb or allergies but you can make a yummy

soup.

For soup, undercook the veggies a bit, add the meat to the broth uncooked

at the end - make sure it's thinly sliced. You can do the meat this way for

the sauce version too. I made it with kale and chicken breast last night -

great combo over rice!

My beloved rice, I'll miss it Give me strength, beloved group!

Lynne

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Dear ,

I am hopeful that your daughter will go for the pacemaker soon. It is

just too dangerous not to in many cases. My friend's daughter had one

put in when she was two. They said she was the youngest they had done

back then, and she is still going fine without any trouble at 25.

that was a great letter about food. I am printing it out for ideas.

I can't eat anything with corn and whenever I eat out, I invariably have

a lot of pain and swelling of fingers the next day. We used to love to

eat out, too, but it is getting to be just not worth the increased

suffering. Do you find that shopping at the Health food market and

wherever else you get your food is much more expensive? It seems like it

would be so I have been avoiding it so far. I do need to go in and check

out some of those foods you mentioned. When you use rice milk and olive

oil for salad, do you mix them together or what? Do you avoid vinegar

and oil?

Thank you and welcome back,

Gloria

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, it's wonderful to have you plead on my behalf but rice has tons

of carbos, which equals sugar, which equals RA symptoms for me. It's a

bummer, but I know I'll get my system back to normal eventually. It's a big

change, but this group has definitely given me the will to do it - talk

about will power with cobbler in the house. Now that's inspiration!

>From: Fain <slfain@...>

>

>TWO QUESTIONS: Geoff or , won't xanthum gun substitute for the corn

>starch???

>I don't eat any rice at all except for small grained brown rice. I find it

>does just fine for fried rice or just rice rice. Why can't you eat that,

>Lynne? I printed out your recipe and intend to make it tomorrow. Someone

>tell

>Lynn, can't she have the small grained brown rice? I will tell you that all

>three of my SD mentors eat the small grained brown rice for almost every

>meal. They also eat steamed vegies with it for breakfast. I have a long,

>long

>way to go before I have the fortitude to do that. Made a blackberry cobbler

>for the family tonight and I am downstairs writing this for my fortitude! As

>far as the subject matter of organizing, I am not the one to ask, Babs or

>Chris? Want to help us out here? Hugs,

>Lynne Locatell wrote:

>

>> From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...>

>>

>> Count me in on diet and recipe support. I'm having no problem following the

>> wheat and dairy free, but no change in symptoms and a flair after

>> introducing rice bread made w/yeast and fruit juice. So will go on low carb

>> after gall bladder surgery this week or next. Look forward to brainstorming

>> with you all. Should we have a special email Subject to identify diet and

>> recipe posts?

>>

>> The hardest part about these diets is having to get organized. My problem

>> is breakfast and lunch on a weird schedule. But I'm really pumped by all

>> the support on this list and motivated to make the changes necessary to

>> have this work.

>>

>> , I love chinese cooking - I'm glad you went for the baby bok choy!!!

>>

>> I was a vegetarian for a few years and really got into cooking vegetables.

>> I got great ideas from chinese, italian, indian, indonesian cuisine. The

>> Greens cookbook is also great, especially some easy and delicious soups.

>> Here's my chinese all-purpose stir-fry recipe, it's simple and fast:

>>

>> Heat 1-2 Tbsp. of oil till hot, add minced or smashed garlic, throw in

>> cut-up veggies still wet from being washed. There's a lot of sizzling. Stir

>> it up on high for 2-3 minutes and then add a little water and salt to

>> taste. Let them sit and steam for a few more minutes on high till they're

>> done to your liking, add more water if necessary. Turn off the heat, add a

>> little sesame oil, toss and serve. This recipe makes anything taste good.

>> My favorites are chard, bok choy, any kind of cabbage, broccoli, kale

>> (needs extra steaming time), spring greens, spinach, peppers, broccoli

>> rabe, carrots, pea pods.

>>

>> Spice it up with ginger, red pepper flakes, or chili sauce added with the

>> garlic.

>>

>> To add meat, cut it thinly, stir fry in a small amount of oil, remove and

>> drain and then add to veggies later. This way nothing gets overcooked.

>>

>> For Italian style, use olive oil and leave out the sesame oil.

>>

>> If you want sauce, add broth to veggies and meat. When it boils add a

>> couple of Tbsp. of cornstarch (depending on how much broth) mixed in a

>> little cold water, and white pepper. Stir till thickened and add sesame

>> oil. The white pepper really makes for a special taste. Of course the

>> cornstarch is a no-no for low-carb or allergies but you can make a yummy

>> soup.

>>

>> For soup, undercook the veggies a bit, add the meat to the broth uncooked

>> at the end - make sure it's thinly sliced. You can do the meat this way for

>> the sauce version too. I made it with kale and chicken breast last night -

>> great combo over rice!

>>

>> My beloved rice, I'll miss it Give me strength, beloved group!

>> Lynne

>>

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It's scheduled for Friday mid-day. They say 3-4 days in the hospital but

I'm a quick recoverer, so I'm going for 2! It's going to be a piece of cake

- the hospital has the best views of the snow-covered Cascades in the

county and my surgeon is a doll. Withdrawal will be a problem - I'll have

to go to the digest, but won't miss a post! I need a laptop!!! Thanks so

much for your kind thoughts. I will carry them all with me! Love, Lynne

>Lynne, when is the gall bladder surgery so we will know? I want to keep

>you in my

>prayers and when I meditate, I will send health disappearing gall bladder

>thoughts

>your way! How long will you be in the hospital! Oh, No! You won't be able to

>read the email. I am sure you will be in withdrawl. But it does allow us to

>really realize just how meaningful this group is for us. Love,

>

>Lynne Locatell wrote:

>

>> From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...>

>>

>> , it's wonderful to have you plead on my behalf but rice has tons

>> of carbos, which equals sugar, which equals RA symptoms for me. It's a

>> bummer, but I know I'll get my system back to normal eventually. It's a big

>> change, but this group has definitely given me the will to do it - talk

>> about will power with cobbler in the house. Now that's inspiration!

>>

>> >From: Fain <slfain@...>

>> >

>> >TWO QUESTIONS: Geoff or , won't xanthum gun substitute for the corn

>> >starch???

>> >I don't eat any rice at all except for small grained brown rice. I find it

>> >does just fine for fried rice or just rice rice. Why can't you eat that,

>> >Lynne? I printed out your recipe and intend to make it tomorrow. Someone

>> >tell

>> >Lynn, can't she have the small grained brown rice? I will tell you

>>that all

>> >three of my SD mentors eat the small grained brown rice for almost every

>> >meal. They also eat steamed vegies with it for breakfast. I have a long,

>> >long

>> >way to go before I have the fortitude to do that. Made a blackberry

>>cobbler

>> >for the family tonight and I am downstairs writing this for my

>>fortitude! As

>> >far as the subject matter of organizing, I am not the one to ask, Babs or

>> >Chris? Want to help us out here? Hugs,

>> >Lynne Locatell wrote:

>> >

>> >> From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...>

>> >>

>> >> Count me in on diet and recipe support. I'm having no problem

>>following the

>> >> wheat and dairy free, but no change in symptoms and a flair after

>> >> introducing rice bread made w/yeast and fruit juice. So will go on

>>low carb

>> >> after gall bladder surgery this week or next. Look forward to

>>brainstorming

>> >> with you all. Should we have a special email Subject to identify diet and

>> >> recipe posts?

>> >>

>> >> The hardest part about these diets is having to get organized. My problem

>> >> is breakfast and lunch on a weird schedule. But I'm really pumped by all

>> >> the support on this list and motivated to make the changes necessary to

>> >> have this work.

>> >>

>> >> , I love chinese cooking - I'm glad you went for the baby bok

>>choy!!!

>> >>

>> >> I was a vegetarian for a few years and really got into cooking

>>vegetables.

>> >> I got great ideas from chinese, italian, indian, indonesian cuisine. The

>> >> Greens cookbook is also great, especially some easy and delicious soups.

>> >> Here's my chinese all-purpose stir-fry recipe, it's simple and fast:

>> >>

>> >> Heat 1-2 Tbsp. of oil till hot, add minced or smashed garlic, throw in

>> >> cut-up veggies still wet from being washed. There's a lot of

>>sizzling. Stir

>> >> it up on high for 2-3 minutes and then add a little water and salt to

>> >> taste. Let them sit and steam for a few more minutes on high till they're

>> >> done to your liking, add more water if necessary. Turn off the heat,

>>add a

>> >> little sesame oil, toss and serve. This recipe makes anything taste good.

>> >> My favorites are chard, bok choy, any kind of cabbage, broccoli, kale

>> >> (needs extra steaming time), spring greens, spinach, peppers, broccoli

>> >> rabe, carrots, pea pods.

>> >>

>> >> Spice it up with ginger, red pepper flakes, or chili sauce added with the

>> >> garlic.

>> >>

>> >> To add meat, cut it thinly, stir fry in a small amount of oil, remove and

>> >> drain and then add to veggies later. This way nothing gets overcooked.

>> >>

>> >> For Italian style, use olive oil and leave out the sesame oil.

>> >>

>> >> If you want sauce, add broth to veggies and meat. When it boils add a

>> >> couple of Tbsp. of cornstarch (depending on how much broth) mixed in a

>> >> little cold water, and white pepper. Stir till thickened and add sesame

>> >> oil. The white pepper really makes for a special taste. Of course the

>> >> cornstarch is a no-no for low-carb or allergies but you can make a yummy

>> >> soup.

>> >>

>> >> For soup, undercook the veggies a bit, add the meat to the broth uncooked

>> >> at the end - make sure it's thinly sliced. You can do the meat this

>>way for

>> >> the sauce version too. I made it with kale and chicken breast last

>>night -

>> >> great combo over rice!

>> >>

>> >> My beloved rice, I'll miss it Give me strength, beloved group!

>> >> Lynne

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