Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 > > The ACTH Stim or ACTH Serum are no good while on HC but the Aldosterone > testing is fine! > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Oh, so Aldosterone doesn't tell you anything about primary or secondary adrenal? Or is it pituitary? How have I gotten myself so darn confused??? English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Aldosterone adn Renin testing done together can give oyu an idea if you are primary or secondary. High Renin and low aldosterone almost alwasy is secondary adrenal insufficiency. Low renin adn Lo aldosterone would probabyl mean primary. At least I think that is how it goe.. if you can find BOB he would be a good one to ask as I am not up on pit tests too much. (Do you remember Bob from the adsrenals forum at STTM? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Do you remember Bob from the adsrenals forum at STTM? > > No, I was never on that forum, but I think that I might have been reading something of his when I was researching this. English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 > > Aldosterone adn Renin testing done together can give oyu an idea if you > are primary or secondary. High Renin and low aldosterone almost alwasy > is secondary adrenal insufficiency. Low renin adn Lo aldosterone would > probabyl mean primary. Oh, and besides telling me whether or not I need to supplement those things, is there any other reason why it might be important to know if you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable so you would need to be on the HC for life? English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable so you would need to be on the HC for life?<< Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 > > >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if > you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable > so you would need to be on the HC for life?<< > > Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Thank you Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 > > >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if > you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable > so you would need to be on the HC for life?<< > > Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Thank you Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Aren't there some instances where the pituitary could be stimulating SOME hormones to be produced, e.g. estrogen, LH, FSH DHEA, aldosterone, but be hypopit in cortisol and maybe growth hormone production or is this a highly unlikely scenario? Re: Aldosterone > > >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if > you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable > so you would need to be on the HC for life?<< > > Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Thank you Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 >>Aren't there some instances where the pituitary could be stimulating SOME hormones to be produced, e.g. estrogen, LH, FSH DHEA, aldosterone, but be hypopit in cortisol and maybe growth hormone production or is this a highly unlikely scenario?<< yes these are called partial hypo-pit. This is why they shoudl test as many os possible when a problem is suspected. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Ok, emailed Dr. L. and he said as you did: florinef. He said some folks do better starting with florinef, then adding HC, and others do better starting with HC and then adding florinef. If indeed I have a hypopit issue I fear I may need to get onto the HC, despite my ambivalence about it.... post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I would definitely go on HC first as it not opnly covers the cortils but has SOME mineralcorticoid effects as well and may make you need LESS Flrionef. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 , dear, Can I sue my other endo, who claims that all's well with me despite seeing this low level of aldosterone? post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 , dear, Can I sue my other endo, who claims that all's well with me despite seeing this low level of aldosterone? post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 This is Dr. L's response to me when I emailed him about my aldosterone results and my terrible reaction to isocort (4 pellets morn and 4 pellets lunch). Do you agree with him? "The rages on Isocort are due to the lowness of the dose--it actually can cause you to end up lower in cortisol as the brief peak levels in the serum suppress your ACTH and your own production. The way around the problem is to take enough HC. The fact that the Isocort affected you at all tells me you have a problem with low HC, as a normal person would have felt nothing on Isocort or even on HC at doses up to 60mg daily.Let's wait until we have the saliva test and aldosterone results back. We'll talk on the phone then. Given your thirst and low BP, you may do better with a fludrocortisone trial first. As long as it is helping you, you will want to continue it." post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I would love to say yes but I tried a lawduit back when I was 27 years old and almost died of Pelvic Inflammatory Disease when my OB-GYN sent me home & tolkd me to take aspirin for the pain and spike fevers after he found out I had no health insurance. It got me no where.The one thing more corrupt than our medical system is our legal system. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I would love to say yes but I tried a lawduit back when I was 27 years old and almost died of Pelvic Inflammatory Disease when my OB-GYN sent me home & tolkd me to take aspirin for the pain and spike fevers after he found out I had no health insurance. It got me no where.The one thing more corrupt than our medical system is our legal system. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Val, it seems my adrenals are fine...because when injected with cortrosyn (granted they inject a huge amount) my adrenals do respond, both in terms of aldosterone and in terms of cortisol. So if the problem is in the pituitary, why would I be taking HC at all? why not just replace all the hormones? Scratching my head here...I must be missing something...maybe this hypopit/hypoadrenal/hypothyroid is playing a number on my comprehension... Thanks so much for all your help. Your a G-d-sent! post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Val, it seems my adrenals are fine...because when injected with cortrosyn (granted they inject a huge amount) my adrenals do respond, both in terms of aldosterone and in terms of cortisol. So if the problem is in the pituitary, why would I be taking HC at all? why not just replace all the hormones? Scratching my head here...I must be missing something...maybe this hypopit/hypoadrenal/hypothyroid is playing a number on my comprehension... Thanks so much for all your help. Your a G-d-sent! post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Val, it seems my adrenals are fine...because when injected with cortrosyn (granted they inject a huge amount) my adrenals do respond, both in terms of aldosterone and in terms of cortisol. So if the problem is in the pituitary, why would I be taking HC at all? why not just replace all the hormones? Scratching my head here...I must be missing something...maybe this hypopit/hypoadrenal/hypothyroid is playing a number on my comprehension... Thanks so much for all your help. Your a G-d-sent! post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Becasue when the pituitary is not funcitoning you repace JUST the hormoens oyu ar low in., startign wiht cortisol. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Becasue when the pituitary is not funcitoning you repace JUST the hormoens oyu ar low in., startign wiht cortisol. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 so you say to start with cortisol replacement (cortef) and then slowly add the others such as florinef, dhea, growth hormone, etc.? And definitely not start with florinef before cortef? post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 so you say to start with cortisol replacement (cortef) and then slowly add the others such as florinef, dhea, growth hormone, etc.? And definitely not start with florinef before cortef? post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I would start wiht HC then IF you stil have low aldosterone symtpms after being at a good dose of HC for a motnh, thne add in Florinef. I never start people wiht Florinef as Cortisol is the most important and also it has SOME mineralcorticoid activity so may at least partially replace SOME aldosterone. Then you start on thyroid DHEA is LAST. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I would start wiht HC then IF you stil have low aldosterone symtpms after being at a good dose of HC for a motnh, thne add in Florinef. I never start people wiht Florinef as Cortisol is the most important and also it has SOME mineralcorticoid activity so may at least partially replace SOME aldosterone. Then you start on thyroid DHEA is LAST. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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