Re: Elevated ESR/Rubella vaccine

[Guest guest]

Kyla,

If you've already had your kids, I wouldn't worry about getting the

vaccine, however, if you are planning to have kids in the future, I

think you have to seriously consider having the vaccine (or else go out

now and get yourself a real case of rubella). The risks of damage to

the fetus are pretty high if you contract rubella when you are pregnant.

Good luck deciding what to do.

a Peden

" M. Kyla MacKenzie " wrote:

>

> From: " M. Kyla MacKenzie " <celticfox@...>

>

> Hello all,

>

> I had my first abnormal test for arthritis today. My ESR was 22.

> I think the normal range was up to 11. Is this considered very

> high? I had the test done again, along with an ANA and RF. She

> said that sometimes an ESR can come back elevated when one has a

> cold or flu, which I had recently. Perhaps this positive test is

> a good thing, as most doctors think my joint pain is nothing to

> worry about, due to the fact that my tests are always negative.

>

> Is the ESR usually elevated in all types of arthritis? Is it also

> elevated in lupus and scleroderma?

>

> Another thing that the doc mentioned was that I wasn't immune to

> the rubella virus. She said the shot most likely didn't work when

> I was younger, so she wants me to have it done again. At first I

> thought nothing of it, until she told me the vaccine gives you a

> mild case of rubella and in some people, especially women, it can

> give you chronic joint pain. Like I don't have enough joint pain

> as it is! Hmm..risk getting measles or risk ending up with more

> joint pain?

>

> ~Kyla

>

>

[Guest guest]

today i got my results from my bloodwork, my thyroid came back normal, RA

panel was normal but my ESR was 22 lol funny huh? she said normal was 20 so

thats why she's not concerned,ok i know we have quacks so who's dr is right?

my bet is on yours ok where do i go from here? what does an ESR of 22 mean?

rheumatic Elevated ESR/Rubella vaccine

> From: " M. Kyla MacKenzie " <celticfox@...>

>

> Hello all,

>

> I had my first abnormal test for arthritis today. My ESR was 22.

> I think the normal range was up to 11. Is this considered very

> high? I had the test done again, along with an ANA and RF. She

> said that sometimes an ESR can come back elevated when one has a

> cold or flu, which I had recently. Perhaps this positive test is

> a good thing, as most doctors think my joint pain is nothing to

> worry about, due to the fact that my tests are always negative.

>

> Is the ESR usually elevated in all types of arthritis? Is it also

> elevated in lupus and scleroderma?

>

> Another thing that the doc mentioned was that I wasn't immune to

> the rubella virus. She said the shot most likely didn't work when

> I was younger, so she wants me to have it done again. At first I

> thought nothing of it, until she told me the vaccine gives you a

> mild case of rubella and in some people, especially women, it can

> give you chronic joint pain. Like I don't have enough joint pain

> as it is! Hmm..risk getting measles or risk ending up with more

> joint pain?

>

> ~Kyla

>

>

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

ESR can be elevated due to other reasons, one which I have heard is that in

pre-menopausal women it can go up some during certain phases of your cycle,

and I have heard that up to 30 is normal for women sometimes because of this

factor. Maybe the doc meant since it is just a little over normal, that is

why she is not worried. It can go a lot higher than that. I have never

found it to be a good indicator of my condition, mine is often low when I

have a great deal of inflammation going on in my joints. Liz G

[Guest guest]

From one a to another - your advice makes sense to me. That's what I

would have said too.

a C. :-)

> From: a Peden <paula.peden@...>

>

> Kyla,

> If you've already had your kids, I wouldn't worry about getting the

> vaccine, however, if you are planning to have kids in the future, I

> think you have to seriously consider having the vaccine (or else go out

> now and get yourself a real case of rubella). The risks of damage to

> the fetus are pretty high if you contract rubella when you are pregnant.

> Good luck deciding what to do.

> a Peden

>

> " M. Kyla MacKenzie " wrote:

> >

> > From: " M. Kyla MacKenzie " <celticfox@...>

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I had my first abnormal test for arthritis today. My ESR was 22.

> > I think the normal range was up to 11. Is this considered very

> > high? I had the test done again, along with an ANA and RF. She

> > said that sometimes an ESR can come back elevated when one has a

> > cold or flu, which I had recently. Perhaps this positive test is

> > a good thing, as most doctors think my joint pain is nothing to

> > worry about, due to the fact that my tests are always negative.

> >

> > Is the ESR usually elevated in all types of arthritis? Is it also

> > elevated in lupus and scleroderma?

> >

> > Another thing that the doc mentioned was that I wasn't immune to

> > the rubella virus. She said the shot most likely didn't work when

> > I was younger, so she wants me to have it done again. At first I

> > thought nothing of it, until she told me the vaccine gives you a

> > mild case of rubella and in some people, especially women, it can

> > give you chronic joint pain. Like I don't have enough joint pain

> > as it is! Hmm..risk getting measles or risk ending up with more

> > joint pain?

> >

> > ~Kyla

> >

> >

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

The normal ESR varies with the lab. At some, here, 0-12 is normal. It used

to be that 1-10 was normal for men and up to 20 was normal for women. The

monthly cycle will raise the ESR and so it's best not to have it done at

that time.

Re: rheumatic Elevated ESR/Rubella vaccine

>From: " " <wesman@...>

>

>today i got my results from my bloodwork, my thyroid came back normal, RA

>panel was normal but my ESR was 22 lol funny huh? she said normal was 20 so

>thats why she's not concerned,ok i know we have quacks so who's dr is

right?

>my bet is on yours ok where do i go from here? what does an ESR of 22 mean?

>

> rheumatic Elevated ESR/Rubella vaccine

>

>

>> From: " M. Kyla MacKenzie " <celticfox@...>

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> I had my first abnormal test for arthritis today. My ESR was 22.

>> I think the normal range was up to 11. Is this considered very

>> high? I had the test done again, along with an ANA and RF. She

>> said that sometimes an ESR can come back elevated when one has a

>> cold or flu, which I had recently. Perhaps this positive test is

>> a good thing, as most doctors think my joint pain is nothing to

>> worry about, due to the fact that my tests are always negative.

>>

>> Is the ESR usually elevated in all types of arthritis? Is it also

>> elevated in lupus and scleroderma?

>>

>> Another thing that the doc mentioned was that I wasn't immune to

>> the rubella virus. She said the shot most likely didn't work when

>> I was younger, so she wants me to have it done again. At first I

>> thought nothing of it, until she told me the vaccine gives you a

>> mild case of rubella and in some people, especially women, it can

>> give you chronic joint pain. Like I don't have enough joint pain

>> as it is! Hmm..risk getting measles or risk ending up with more

>> joint pain?

>>

>> ~Kyla

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I sent an email about a week ago asking for an interpretation on the ESR

test. Whilst I've been in this group there has been much talk about ESR

tests. I've had this test now 3 times, twice here in Botswana and once in

Pretoria. The ESR test in Botswana was titled B-ESR (Westergren) and had

reference values of between 0 and 40 as being OK. On this test I had scores

of 20 in June and 11 on 16th August. The blood tests from Pretoria talks

about ESR Wintrobe with reference values of between 0 and 10 as being OK and

on that my score was 23. After scoring 11 with the Westergreen test on 16th

August 7 days later on 23rd August, I scored 23 with the Wintrobe test? I

posted the question what's the difference between Westergen and Wintrobe and

what do the scores signify. I got no replies!!

Of course I asked my doctor here what it meant and he said that anything

below 50 was OK!

I also had a test for Serum Amyloid A (ABN - H) - result 8.3 -

reference values 0.0 - 6.8 mg/L. Again my doctor here brushed it aside as

irrelevant. If it's irreleavant why did I have it done?

All very confusing

Mike G

Botswana

rheumatic Elevated ESR/Rubella vaccine

>From: " M. Kyla MacKenzie " <celticfox@...>

>

>Hello all,

>

>I had my first abnormal test for arthritis today. My ESR was 22.

>I think the normal range was up to 11. Is this considered very

>high? I had the test done again, along with an ANA and RF. She

>said that sometimes an ESR can come back elevated when one has a

>cold or flu, which I had recently. Perhaps this positive test is

>a good thing, as most doctors think my joint pain is nothing to

>worry about, due to the fact that my tests are always negative.

>

>Is the ESR usually elevated in all types of arthritis? Is it also

>elevated in lupus and scleroderma?

>

>Another thing that the doc mentioned was that I wasn't immune to

>the rubella virus. She said the shot most likely didn't work when

>I was younger, so she wants me to have it done again. At first I

>thought nothing of it, until she told me the vaccine gives you a

>mild case of rubella and in some people, especially women, it can

>give you chronic joint pain. Like I don't have enough joint pain

>as it is! Hmm..risk getting measles or risk ending up with more

>joint pain?

>

>~Kyla

>

>

>

>>

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[Guest guest]

I would really be wary of rubella vaccine. Of course, if you are going to

get pregnant, it's important to be immune, and you need to get shot way in

advance. I got shot a couple of years before my RA because, even tho I had

had german measles, test came back negative, and I was working in hospital

then. But since then I have read about a tentative correlation between

vaccinations in general, and rubella in particular, causing RA. It has been

comfirmed and disputed, and there is much debate, but I tell ya' for what

it's worth, I would stay away from it if I had a choice. Just my 2 cents.