Re: Need to contact Valarie

[Guest guest]

Pat,

What do you need? Your messages are coming through fine on the list so if

you post it should be able to see it.

If not, you can email me and I will send it to the moderator email address.

Cheri

Need to contact Valarie

Cheri

Would you please tell Valarie I need to know my next step desperately.

I would be so grateful since you can contact her. Thanks so much,

Pat

[Guest guest]

Bless you, Cheri:

I haven't been able to contact Val for a week and my messages would show up on

E-Mails as undeliverable.

I'm doing wonderfully well on the Isocort, after almost two years of hellish

hyperthyroidism from following my doctor's recommendations to double Armour -

twice.

What I need to know is whether to start Armour,T3, or both. I have my thyroid

labs and will post adrenal saliva tests again. I'm almost afraid to start

thyroid, but I want to wear my rings again (edema) and get rid of aches and some

insomnia. The Armour alone never did do it for me. It was not until I added T3

that I felt optimal,

Thank's for any help you can give.

Pat

Need to contact Valarie

Cheri

Would you please tell Valarie I need to know my next step desperately.

I would be so grateful since you can contact her. Thanks so much,

Pat

[Guest guest]

Pat,

Post your labs (both adrenal and thyroid with the date taken and ranges)

here on list and if I don't see Val responding (like if they don't go

through) then I will email them to her directly so she can post a response

on the list.

Sometimes if we have our email being forwarded from yahoo to another email

address or Outlook some messages get blocked or bounced. You may also want

to go into your Yahoo preferences and check that your messages settings are

working and not bouncing there.

Thanks,

Cheri

Re: Need to contact Valarie

Bless you, Cheri:

I haven't been able to contact Val for a week and my messages would show

up on E-Mails as undeliverable.

I'm doing wonderfully well on the Isocort, after almost two years of

hellish hyperthyroidism from following my doctor's recommendations to double

Armour - twice.

What I need to know is whether to start Armour,T3, or both. I have my

thyroid labs and will post adrenal saliva tests again. I'm almost afraid to

start thyroid, but I want to wear my rings again (edema) and get rid of

aches and some insomnia. The Armour alone never did do it for me. It was not

until I added T3 that I felt optimal,

Thank's for any help you can give.

Pat

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[Guest guest]

Pat is ther eany reason you would try plain T3? Have you had RT3 tested

and it was high? If nto you should start Armour at 15MCG then in wek

add a second dose of 15MG at noon. Keep the doses split up for easier

hit on the adrenals and every week raise 15MG until you get to 2 grains

and then slwo them down. Watch your temps and if they start fluctuating

and don;t stop within three days of a dose raise, then you need ot go

back to last dose and hold it longer to allow your adrneals to adapt to

the higher metabolism.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Thank's a million for answering and all the help. Valarie did reply.

I dom't knowwhy her mail was returned. Then my whole computer froze up. I went

to town and got on the library's computer, which was pretty stressful,as they

don't have Outlook Express and not sure Valarie received all my info.

Anyway,so thankful to have everything back and willpost result again.

Thankseversomuch,

Pat

Need to contact Valarie

Cheri

Would you please tell Valarie I need to know my next step desperately.

I would be so grateful since you can contact her. Thanks so much,

Pat

[Guest guest]

Dear ValL

So glad to get your reply. I suspectOutlook Express is less than desirable, and

hope to get around to changing, but have been wanting to post my thyroid tests,

and will also put up the original saliva tests, since I'm assuming it would

help.

Back when I was on Armour only, I never feltoptimal, especially in the

aftrernoon - more mental than physical. When a small amount of T3was added,I

almost forgot that I had ever had any adverse symptoms.

Estradiol 7 0.5-l.7 Postmenopausal (optimal 1.3-l.7

Progesterone 3412-100 Postmenopausal

Ratio Pg/E2 49L out-of-range

Testosterone 49

Cortisol Morning l7.2H out of range 3.7-9.5

Cortisol Noon 1.7 1.2-3.0

Cortisol Eve 1.6 0.6-1.9

Cortisol Night 0.5 0.4-1.0

The above was collected l0/l/07

The below was collected l0/29/07

T3,total 95 60-181 ng/dl

T4, total 7.2 4.5-l2.5 mcg/dl

T3,free 27l 230-20 pg/dl

I have been off all thyroid all of October, except for a smidgen on 2 days the

first week and made me hyper. Started Isocort Oct. 29.

Respectfully,

Pat

Re: Need to contact Valarie

Pat is ther eany reason you would try plain T3? Have you had RT3 tested

and it was high? If nto you should start Armour at 15MCG then in wek

add a second dose of 15MG at noon. Keep the doses split up for easier

hit on the adrenals and every week raise 15MG until you get to 2 grains

and then slwo them down. Watch your temps and if they start fluctuating

and don;t stop within three days of a dose raise, then you need ot go

back to last dose and hold it longer to allow your adrneals to adapt to

the higher metabolism.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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[Guest guest]

Pat your high estrogen is telling me somethign else that your labs are

nto agreeing wiht. High estrogen almost always nmeans low cortisol. I

would work the Isocort up to 6 pellets and once there graph your temps

which you start Armoru at 15MG. If they stay level and not fluctuating

more than 2 tenths of a degree (using method of www.drrind.com ) then in

a week add in a second noon dose of 15MG.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Valarie, my deepest apologies. My Estradiol should be 0.7, not 7. I have

checked everything else, and it is correct. Thank you for questioning this - I

would not have noticed that thr 0. was left off. I'm sorry to use up your

valuable time.

Pat

Re: Need to contact Valarie

Pat your high estrogen is telling me somethign else that your labs are

nto agreeing wiht. High estrogen almost always nmeans low cortisol. I

would work the Isocort up to 6 pellets and once there graph your temps

which you start Armoru at 15MG. If they stay level and not fluctuating

more than 2 tenths of a degree (using method of www.drrind.com ) then in

a week add in a second noon dose of 15MG.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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