Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 >I had one eight hour episode of afib 16 months ago and 20 minute run about 2 months ago -- I'm 33 years old and have lots of PVA's and SHort runs of AFIB -- My doc wants to put me on Flecanide and possibly do an ablation -- I am currently taking aspirin .... I'm a little nervous about the new meds -- Any advice?? Ross, I am in a similar situation, except older. Are you not on a beta blocker? I assume you mean PACs, not PVAs. Beta blockers help suppress PACs. They are not the med of choice if you have vagal afib (comes on due to low heart rate, at rest, etc. vs adrenergic which tends to happen due to stress, exertion, etc.). Beta blockers are safer than Flecainide or an ablation. My new doc was talking about putting me on Flecanide but I asked to try more beta blocker first, and it seems to be working, although things are still erratic. Although it starts kicking in in an hour or so, my old doc said it will take a week or so to really build up in the blood, and then the heart takes awhile to calm down. If you do opt for an ablation, be sure you get a good doc. Dr. Natale at the Cleveland clinic or in Marin, CA is the best in the U.S. reportedly. But ablation techniques are improving rapidly, so it might make sense to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 One grain of Armour has 38 mg of T4 and 9 mg T3. So 2 grains would be 76 mg T4 and 18 mg T3. But...do understand that there's something synergistcally more powerful about the T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin working together. So technically, you can't say that 76 mg of synthetic T4 and 18 mg synthetic T3 is " equivalent " to 2 grains Armour. It's equivalent to what the T4 and T3 is in 2 grains Armour, but not equivalent to the power that Armour has with all give components working together. Instead, if you have to be on T4 and T3, I'd shoot for the above equivalency, but closer to what 3 grains would have....then add more T3 according the elimination of symptoms and how you feel. Janie > My doctor has changed my thyroid meds from Armour to a combo of T4 > (Levothyroxine .05 mg, one in the morning) and Liothyronine (a > compounded T3, two in the morning and one at night.) This is supposed > to be equivalent to 2 grains of Armour. My doctor's nurse and the > pharmacist said there shouldn't be any problem switching from one med > to the other. Just wanted to check here and see what kind of feedback > I got. Val, anybody else who has made the switch? The reason for the > switch is that I recently had an test done and turned up with a > high allergic reaction to pork. > > Linn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 You have to tell me the MCG of each to knwo what it is equivalent ot. Each grain of Armoru has 38mcg T4 and 9mcg T3. BTW MOST people that are allergic to pork can still take Armour. It is such a minute amount it does nto trigger the allergic response. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 I saw a doc (one time) who switched me to a compounded T3/T4 med instead of Armour and I did not do well on it - at all. The problem, or at least the biggest problem, was that it had too much T3 in it and the ratio of T3 to T4 was wrong - 25mg to 50mg. Val will give you better advice, but when they say " there shouldn't be a problem " take that advice with a giant grain of salt b/c they have no idea how sensitive many of us can be to very small adjustments in meds. > > My doctor has changed my thyroid meds from Armour to a combo of T4 > (Levothyroxine .05 mg, one in the morning) and Liothyronine (a > compounded T3, two in the morning and one at night.) This is supposed > to be equivalent to 2 grains of Armour. My doctor's nurse and the > pharmacist said there shouldn't be any problem switching from one med > to the other. Just wanted to check here and see what kind of feedback > I got. Val, anybody else who has made the switch? The reason for the > switch is that I recently had an test done and turned up with a > high allergic reaction to pork. > > Linn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Gee that might help eh?? Sorry about that, was in a hurry and missed posting that. The T3 is 6.25 mcg (two in the morning and one in the evening). The pork allergy came up at the highest level on the test. I double checked with the nutritionist also and asked if he felt that it was necessary to change the Armour and he said that it would be better to change, at least for a while until I get the leaky gut symptoms cleared up. I'm hoping it's not for too long as this combo of meds is about 3 times more expensive than Armour. Linn > > You have to tell me the MCG of each to knwo what it is equivalent ot. > Each grain of Armoru has 38mcg T4 and 9mcg T3. BTW MOST people that are > allergic to pork can still take Armour. It is such a minute amount it > does nto trigger the allergic response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 >>Gee that might help eh?? Sorry about that, was in a hurry and missed posting that. The T3 is 6.25 mcg (two in the morning and one in the evening). << Well that amount of T3 is pretty minute. And actually if he would give oyu ENOUGH T3 you wouldn't need the T4 at all. For instance I take 150mcg T3 daily. People on T3 onyl seem to need between 50mcg adn 200 with most around 100-125 daily. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Thanks Val, I also just looked up equivalents on the Armour website and now I'm wondering if maybe somebody screwed up, maybe a typo between mcg and mgs on the T3. I'll call and double check. Linn > > >>Gee that might help eh?? Sorry about that, was in a hurry and missed > posting that. The T3 is 6.25 mcg (two in the morning and one in the > evening). << > > Well that amount of T3 is pretty minute. And actually if he would give oyu ENOUGH T3 you wouldn't need the T4 at all. For instance I take 150mcg T3 daily. People on T3 onyl seem to need between 50mcg adn 200 with most around 100-125 daily. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Nevermind, that couldn't be the reason. I hate converting, I actually have to get out the calculator. The T3 would be equivalent to the amount of T3 in the Armour. I hate switching but then again it's hard to know if works better if you don't try it. Linn > > Thanks Val, I also just looked up equivalents on the Armour website > and now I'm wondering if maybe somebody screwed up, maybe a typo > between mcg and mgs on the T3. I'll call and double check. > > Linn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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