Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Mitch, My only advice to you would be to grab a pen and paper and not a spoon. If you are feeling bad, sometimes once you take your mind off of the eating and get it busy pouring out the emotion you will feel better and be able to remove the craving and binging thoughts from your mind. Usually we suppress these thoughts with food and then feel bad about it. The emotion will resurface again and again and again until you deal with it. Just sit down and start writing. You may be very surprised at what you see when you read it back. Usually the first few sentences will not say much, but hit page 2 and I guarantee that you will be dumbfounded at what you read back. You do not have to show it to anyone (and it is best not to IMHO!), you can even throw it out or rip it up when you are done or my favorite - drop it in the shredder. A very visual and enjoyable removal of the stress you wrote about! Also, it is nearly impossible to eat when you are exercising or going for a walk, cleaning the garage - whatever. Try to find an activity that is incompatible with eating. Dr. Phil says taking a long shower is a great one because you can not eat and shower at the same time. HTH, Jenn Emotional Eating So after my weigh-in on Saturday (down a pound), I was sailing along --- and then came Sunday. I forgot how it all started, but my wife and I had a discussion where she was chastising me a bit for spending too much time in my Palm filling out my journal or in the closet calculating points from the food labels and not enough time paying attention to her. She's probably right about this as I tend to get obsessive about things and I need to moderate this behavior a bit. As our discussion evolved, she confided that while she so much wanted my success with weight loss and is very happy, she's also scared that my whole new image might cause me to grow away from her. I reassured her that she's the love of my life and that this would never happen, but it scared me a bit that this even crossed her mind. After this talk, she went out with the kids for something and I just fell apart - finished the FF Frozen Yogurt and the regular Frozen Yogurt in the freezer, attacked the girl scout cookies and the leftover chocolate chip cookies from Halloween. Wound up using all of my remaining FP's for the week (and my week doesn't end till Friday). I didn't want to blow the week, so Monday morning, with 0 Flex Points left - I resolved that through Friday I would stick to my point target + APs (and thru Wednesday, I've been doing it). I expect I'll finish the week using just my 35 FP's and no more. On my home scale this morning, it looks like I've done no lasting damage. However, this raises two issues: First, have others had any similar reactions from their spouses? Second, after having done this as long and as well as I have, it kind of surprised me that I succumbed to this emotional eating binge? How do I control this in the future? Thanks, Mitch -- -------------------------------- All-Time High - 300 -------------------------------- Starting Weight - 281 Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2 Lost since Re-Joining WW - 66.6 Total Loss - 890.8 Current Weight - 189.2 Goal - 175 Pounds to Go - 14.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 My brother's first wife had been overweight her entire life. It didn't bother my brother at all. When they had been married for 10 years and had four kids, she went on phen/fen. It took her about a year to lose a lot of weight (close to 100 pounds). She then decided to start dating her First Responder instructor. Basically, the weight loss cockiness and the attention she was finally receiving from OTHER people took over. They ended up getting divorced when their kids were 8, 6, 4 and 2. NOW.. I am not saying this happens to everyone. (I didn't like her from the first time I met her back when they dated in high school.) She also got divorced from her 2nd husband this past February because she was dating someone she had met where she is currently working. She also had gained back all of her weight and recently had a gastric bypass. (She has a few issues anyhow.) Mitch, I would think that you and your wife just need to continue having discussions. Keep the communication open. I can understand where she is coming from, but I can also understand how you are feeling too. Having your wife raise the topic that she doesn't feel as " safe " in the relationship probably raised a few flags that you weren't even aware of. That would have gotten to me too. The best way to control the eating is to reassure your wife by communicating (in a variety of ways) that YOU are not going to stray. I'm sure that even finding out that she would think that you WOULD stray was a bit of an eye-opener. (Maybe not that you WOULD stray... but that you COULD... or something like that.) Having a significant other pass this sort of judgement is scary, because it seems like it is uncharted territory... because you've probably never even thought to stray. (I don't mean she planted this thought in your head.) Oh, I think I am starting to talk in circles. > -----Original Message----- > However, this raises two issues: First, have others had any similar > reactions from their > spouses? Second, after having done this as long and as well as I have, > it kind of surprised > me that I succumbed to this emotional eating binge? How do I control > this in the future? > > Thanks, > Mitch > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Mitch, I knew a lady that was heavy and so was her Dh, they both lost a lot of weight (atleast 70lbs each) and then had affairs on each other. She ended up marrying the guy that she had the affair with (he cheated on his wife to have the affair). Ok fast forward to the marriage a few years and she has gained the weight back and then some. Her new dh also put on some pounds. Then all the sudden 18yrs later she loses the weight again, dh starts buying her junk foods and taking her to fancy places to eat hoping to fatten her up, cause he fears she will leave him if she gets thin. Guess what? She kept the weight off for a year and left him for another guy! So yes the fear is real. And in this day and age of throw away marriages it is very easy for someone to feel threatened. And this is a big issue. Remember a few months back I was there? (not marriage issue) But I was worried that I would go back to my goofy self, that was the last time I was thinner and I was a DJ and a big time flirt......lol......I think it all went with the job territory, but I was afraid that I would be like that again. Maybe you need to set limits on yourself about your journaling. Maybe in the morning you can record some of your points and find out what your wife is serving for dinner and go from there. Or ask her to prepare some old standbys on MWF that you know the points for already. And you won't have to figure points. Also maybe at a calm time you can sit down with her and explain that you must do this the rest of your life to stay healthy. Also you say that your wife also does WW but is not as diligent as you (can't remember exactly how you phrased that.) Maybe she sees herself as not doing as well as you and people are noticing it? Or maybe a girlfriend told her " your dh is getting pretty HOT! you better watch out! " You know how people say things. And maybe she thinks your bragging? I notice that your posts are a bit more upbeat, maybe she just needs to get use to the new you? I am sure that you have more confidence now and she can sense that. Maybe you need to take her away for a weekend and ONLY pack foods that you know the points for and don't spend a lot of time journaling because you can plan ahead. Hope things get better for you ) Moe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 I have had some reactions from my boyfriend similar to this. When I was heavier he was less attentive and took me for granted in a way. Since I have lost weight, he is now the boyfriend I alwasy wanted him to be. I did ask him about this and he told me that he did used to take me for granted, he knew that my self image kept me in the house being at his beck and call, then as I lost, my confidence and self image was raied and all of a sudden he realized that others thought I was beautiful too, not just him and he felt he better make me want to be with him. Now we have the perfect relationship, and I thank WW for that too!! Emotional Eating So after my weigh-in on Saturday (down a pound), I was sailing along --- and then came Sunday. I forgot how it all started, but my wife and I had a discussion where she was chastising me a bit for spending too much time in my Palm filling out my journal or in the closet calculating points from the food labels and not enough time paying attention to her. She's probably right about this as I tend to get obsessive about things and I need to moderate this behavior a bit. As our discussion evolved, she confided that while she so much wanted my success with weight loss and is very happy, she's also scared that my whole new image might cause me to grow away from her. I reassured her that she's the love of my life and that this would never happen, but it scared me a bit that this even crossed her mind. After this talk, she went out with the kids for something and I just fell apart - finished the FF Frozen Yogurt and the regular Frozen Yogurt in the freezer, attacked the girl scout cookies and the leftover chocolate chip cookies from Halloween. Wound up using all of my remaining FP's for the week (and my week doesn't end till Friday). I didn't want to blow the week, so Monday morning, with 0 Flex Points left - I resolved that through Friday I would stick to my point target + APs (and thru Wednesday, I've been doing it). I expect I'll finish the week using just my 35 FP's and no more. On my home scale this morning, it looks like I've done no lasting damage. However, this raises two issues: First, have others had any similar reactions from their spouses? Second, after having done this as long and as well as I have, it kind of surprised me that I succumbed to this emotional eating binge? How do I control this in the future? Thanks, Mitch -- -------------------------------- All-Time High - 300 -------------------------------- Starting Weight - 281 Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2 Lost since Re-Joining WW - 66.6 Total Loss - 890.8 Current Weight - 189.2 Goal - 175 Pounds to Go - 14.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Mitch, I did have a somewhat similar experience with my spouse. I noticed after I had lost 25 pounds and started working out more he often made comments about how I was going to " get skinny " and " leave him for a more attractive guy. " At first, I sort of blew this off, thinking he was just being facitious. I then started to notice he was making those types of comments a lot. I asked him about it, and he confided that it did scare him a little. We talked about it, and I let him know that I loved him for who he was inside, nothing else. I didn't want anyone else, and I wasn't going anywhere. We were having some other issues during that time (that we've since worked through) and I think those impacted his feelings a lot, too. Part of the problem with us was that my husband had gained quite a bit of weight right along with me, but he wasn't trying to take it off. That's okay, I wasn't going to force him. I think my success and lifestyle change constantly reminded him of his faults, though, and he didn't like that. Plus, when I started running and working out more, he didn't want to go. That meant I was embarking on new journeys and he was sitting at home in front of the TV. He made a comment once that I spent more time with my running buddy and WW pals than with him. I know he was happy for me, but he was feeling left out, which makes people resentful. I tried to stay patient and just continue on MY journey. I had no intentions of leaving my husband, but I hoped he would venture into my world eventually. It's happening now (2 years later), but only slowly. He started WW a few weeks ago (and doing very well so far) and he's even made comments about getting out his old mountain bike and riding along when I run. I find that with us both on the program, we are able to support each other and encourage each other in the same pursuits, which is great. I read somewhere that when a person has a lot of weight to lose, that sometimes it is best to become a little " obsessive " about it when you first start--it helps keep the person on track. I know I'd much rather be obsessive about staying healthy than about eating ice cream. And while I meticulously track my points, workout daily, and constantly try to find new ways to improve my health and outlook, I don't consider doing any of those as obsessive. It is what I NEED to stay healthy. My husband respects that and loves me for improving myself. If he didn't, then I'm afraid we would eventually grow apart. I guess my suggestion to you would be to let your wife know you love her, try to involve her as much as possible in your healthy pursuits (as much as she wants to be), and remember to make her feel special often, as one hopes she does for you. As for controling binges, I am by far not an expert. Binge eating is something that seems to come out of nowhere for me. What I've tried to do is during times when I do have everything under control, I write about what made me binge and my feelings afterward. I try to focus on what I'll do the next time the feeling hits. Exercise, shower, call an old friend, those are all fine ways to get food off the mind. But if you're like me, the problem is not in having access to the food, but it's like my mind will not let go of the craving regardless of what I am doing or trying not to think about. With all that pressure, I sometimes eventually cave. To me, binges are emotional responses, therefore I try to focus on those emotions and what triggered the pattern. If I deal with those feelings, then most times the craving to eat a whole bag of Hershey's minatures goes away. It is a constant battle. I remember one time I had been perfectly on program for over six months, when I scarfed down an entire half gallon of ice cream in one sitting -- all because I had an argument with my mother. That was a long time ago, though. I've gotten much better at controling my response to emotional eating, but it is still something I deal and probably always will be. April > So after my weigh-in on Saturday (down a pound), I was sailing along --- > and then came > Sunday. I forgot how it all started, but my wife and I had a discussion > where she was > chastising me a bit for spending too much time in my Palm filling out my > journal or in > the closet calculating points from the food labels and not enough time > paying attention > to her. She's probably right about this as I tend to get obsessive about > things and I > need to moderate this behavior a bit. As our discussion evolved, she > confided that > while she so much wanted my success with weight loss and is very happy, > she's also > scared that my whole new image might cause me to grow away from her. I > reassured > her that she's the love of my life and that this would never happen, but > it scared me > a bit that this even crossed her mind. > > After this talk, she went out with the kids for something and I just > fell apart - finished > the FF Frozen Yogurt and the regular Frozen Yogurt in the freezer, > attacked the > girl scout cookies and the leftover chocolate chip cookies from > Halloween. Wound up > using all of my remaining FP's for the week (and my week doesn't end > till Friday). > > I didn't want to blow the week, so Monday morning, with 0 Flex Points > left - I resolved > that through Friday I would stick to my point target + APs (and thru > Wednesday, I've > been doing it). I expect I'll finish the week using just my 35 FP's and > no more. On my > home scale this morning, it looks like I've done no lasting damage. > > However, this raises two issues: First, have others had any similar > reactions from their > spouses? Second, after having done this as long and as well as I have, > it kind of surprised > me that I succumbed to this emotional eating binge? How do I control > this in the future? > > Thanks, > Mitch > > -- > > -------------------------------- > All-Time High - 300 > -------------------------------- > Starting Weight - 281 > Lost before Re-Joining WW - 25.2 > Lost since Re-Joining WW - 66.6 > Total Loss - 890.8 > Current Weight - 189.2 > Goal - 175 > Pounds to Go - 14.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Mitch I think it is awesome that your wife shared this with you, and I can also imagine that it did kind of shake you up a little bit. From what I've read here you are a very very dedicated husband. We all get insecure at times. Just because she was having an uncertain moment doesn't mean she's necessarily worried about this all of the time. I can speak only for myself, but I know that sometimes when something is bothering me that is either too big at the time for me to deal with, or even something I can't exactly put my finger on, my mind will hop to the closest thing and grasp that. So, for example, if my husband is watching TV too loudly and I am having one of my moments, I might become irrational and say " You know I hate it when you listen to the TV too loudly. You obviously have no respect for me because you know how much I hate that! " The truth is, I'm probably angry about smething else, often something that has nothing to do with him. I just needed a lash out and that's the path it took...almost like lightning finding the ground. It wasn't the conduit for the energy that I needed, but it was there and I took it. (I don't know if that makes sense, but I was teaching about electrons today so my mind is there.) So this MAY be an issue for her, or it may be minor but just something that bubbled up due to other frustrations. Further discussion is really warranted before you worry about it too much. As for spouses leaving each other due to weight loss, it's only an excuse. My husband has lost slower than I have. I'm at goal and have been there for a year. Not once have I even remotely considered comparing myself to him and saying " Wow, I can do better than this! " Why? Because I love him. We have a very strong marriage and we respect and love each other immensely. People who break up over something as superficial as weight never had a strong bond to begin with, so don't let the stories of others worry you. Only YOU can judge how closely you and your wife are bonded. She might be feeling a little anxious over your healthy focus, but I would be willing to bet that if you sat down and truly talked it through from beginning to end, she is happy and proud of you for your weight loss because you will be around longer to leave your socks on the floor and the toilet seat up. I guess in short (as if I could ever say anything 'in short'), I wouldn't worry about it too much unless there is something going on between you that you have concern about it. Weight alone is not going to cause a marital breakup. Tory (been married to the same cutey man for almost 19 years, and have known him since 5th grade) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Thanks Tory - I think, as usual, you're probably right about everything here. We do have a very strong marriage - and in part, I'm sure there was something else frustrtrating her that brought this to the surface. . It was just a bit freaky for me to hear her voice this - as I had never thought about my weight loss having that kind of emotional impact on her. I just saw a glimpse of our relationship dynamic changing and it scared me momentarily. I know that this issue won't cause any kind of marital breakup but it is something we need to talk out, and we will. Communication is always the key I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm comparing how I follow program to how she does it --- just pointed that out to give everyone the perspective that she's never been in the same place as me and so, she may not fully relate to what I'm going through. I know she loves me, though, and fully supports my efforts - as I love & support her fully. Anyhow, we're good for the time being, I'm OP, she's OP, we love each other. Thank you Tory, and everyone else, for your input on this issue. Best, Mitch Tory K wrote: >Mitch > >I think it is awesome that your wife shared this with you, and I can >also imagine that it did kind of shake you up a little bit. From what >I've read here you are a very very dedicated husband. > >We all get insecure at times. Just because she was having an uncertain >moment doesn't mean she's necessarily worried about this all of the >time. I can speak only for myself, but I know that sometimes when >something is bothering me that is either too big at the time for me to >deal with, or even something I can't exactly put my finger on, my mind >will hop to the closest thing and grasp that. So, for example, if my >husband is watching TV too loudly and I am having one of my moments, I >might become irrational and say " You know I hate it when you listen to >the TV too loudly. You obviously have no respect for me because you know >how much I hate that! " > >The truth is, I'm probably angry about smething else, often something >that has nothing to do with him. I just needed a lash out and that's the >path it took...almost like lightning finding the ground. It wasn't the >conduit for the energy that I needed, but it was there and I took it. (I >don't know if that makes sense, but I was teaching about electrons today >so my mind is there.) > >So this MAY be an issue for her, or it may be minor but just something >that bubbled up due to other frustrations. Further discussion is really >warranted before you worry about it too much. > >As for spouses leaving each other due to weight loss, it's only an >excuse. My husband has lost slower than I have. I'm at goal and have >been there for a year. Not once have I even remotely considered >comparing myself to him and saying " Wow, I can do better than this! " >Why? Because I love him. We have a very strong marriage and we respect >and love each other immensely. People who break up over something as >superficial as weight never had a strong bond to begin with, so don't >let the stories of others worry you. Only YOU can judge how closely you >and your wife are bonded. She might be feeling a little anxious over >your healthy focus, but I would be willing to bet that if you sat down >and truly talked it through from beginning to end, she is happy and >proud of you for your weight loss because you will be around longer to >leave your socks on the floor and the toilet seat up. > >I guess in short (as if I could ever say anything 'in short'), I >wouldn't worry about it too much unless there is something going on >between you that you have concern about it. Weight alone is not going to >cause a marital breakup. > >Tory (been married to the same cutey man for almost 19 years, and have >known him since 5th grade) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Mitch, I'm sorry I didn't respond to your post sooner, but so many others gave so many good thoughts that I can't think of anything else constructive to add! I think Moe had a wonderful idea, sending your wife flowers or something similar while you are away would be a great way of telling you that you love her and are thinking about her while you can't be there. As long as the lines of communication are open and you guys address things before they have the chance to become big issues is the key. I think that the fact that felt comfortable enough to express her feelings with you is a great sign that those lines are open. Best wishes to you both, " Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs need to relax and get used to the idea. " - A. Heinlein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 & Moe, Done. Flowers are on order for delivery Monday. Thanks for the suggestion. , yes, we do have open communication. Nothing is so big an issue that we can't talk it out . Mitch JMT3781@... wrote: >Mitch, > >I'm sorry I didn't respond to your post sooner, but so many others gave so >many good thoughts that I can't think of anything else constructive to add! I >think Moe had a wonderful idea, sending your wife flowers or something similar >while you are away would be a great way of telling you that you love her and >are thinking about her while you can't be there. > >As long as the lines of communication are open and you guys address things >before they have the chance to become big issues is the key. I think that the >fact that felt comfortable enough to express her feelings with you is a >great sign that those lines are open. > >Best wishes to you both, > > > " Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs need to relax and >get used to the idea. " > >- A. Heinlein > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 In a message dated 12/6/2003 1:39:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, msteechur@... writes: Being a type-a, over-acheiver, perfectionist, anal-retentive nutball makes me want to FORCE others to do it my way. Hey, you sound like ME! " Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs need to relax and get used to the idea. " - A. Heinlein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Mitch My husband and I are the same way. I measure and weigh everything. I am much further along in my journey. I work out harder and freak out more if something throws me near the off-program edge. But that's just how we are in all things. I'm the type who jumps in with both feet. I get obsessive and ompulsive about it. I enjoy attacking things like that. I set goals and I sprint towards them. He is also a goal setter, but he more meanders towards them. He takes the scenic route. He enjoys doing things THAT way. For me, it would make me crazy. I don't work that way because that doesn't fulfill me. He doesn't work my way because it wouldn't fulfill him. We balance each other well and while there are times when one questions the other, for the most part we love and accept that we are two different people who attack things different ways and try to appreciate that in others. So I totally understand where you're coming from. I don't judge Roy in his journey because I know he has to do it his way. I'll be honest. It took me awhile to get to this point. Being a type-a, over-acheiver, perfectionist, anal-retentive nutball makes me want to FORCE others to do it my way. But over the years I've come to appreciate the way he does things and the way it balances me out. Honestly together we make the greatest team. Without my drive he might take forever to make a decision. Without his careful thinking things through and taking time, I might jump headlong into something I'll regret later. We're lucky to have such wonderful spouses, I think. > Re: Emotional Eating > > > Thanks Tory - I think, as usual, you're probably right about > everything > here. We do have > a very strong marriage - and in part, I'm sure there was > something else > frustrtrating her that > brought this to the surface. . It was just a bit freaky for > me to hear her voice this - as I had never thought about my > weight loss > having that kind of > emotional impact on her. I just saw a glimpse of our relationship > dynamic changing > and it scared me momentarily. I know that this issue won't cause any > kind of marital breakup but > it is something we need to talk out, and we will. Communication is > always the key > > I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm > comparing how I follow program to how she does it --- just > pointed that > out to give > everyone the perspective that she's never been in the same > place as me > and so, she > may not fully relate to what I'm going through. I know she loves me, > though, and fully > supports my efforts - as I love & support her fully. > > Anyhow, we're good for the time being, I'm OP, she's OP, we > love each > other. > Thank you Tory, and everyone else, for your input on this issue. > > Best, > Mitch > > > Tory K wrote: > > >Mitch > > > >I think it is awesome that your wife shared this with you, and I can > >also imagine that it did kind of shake you up a little bit. > From what > >I've read here you are a very very dedicated husband. > > > >We all get insecure at times. Just because she was having an > uncertain > >moment doesn't mean she's necessarily worried about this all of the > >time. I can speak only for myself, but I know that sometimes when > >something is bothering me that is either too big at the time > for me to > >deal with, or even something I can't exactly put my finger > on, my mind > >will hop to the closest thing and grasp that. So, for example, if my > >husband is watching TV too loudly and I am having one of my > moments, I > >might become irrational and say " You know I hate it when you > listen to > >the TV too loudly. You obviously have no respect for me because you > >know how much I hate that! " > > > >The truth is, I'm probably angry about smething else, often > something > >that has nothing to do with him. I just needed a lash out and that's > >the path it took...almost like lightning finding the ground. > It wasn't > >the conduit for the energy that I needed, but it was there > and I took > >it. (I don't know if that makes sense, but I was teaching about > >electrons today so my mind is there.) > > > >So this MAY be an issue for her, or it may be minor but just > something > >that bubbled up due to other frustrations. Further > discussion is really > >warranted before you worry about it too much. > > > >As for spouses leaving each other due to weight loss, it's only an > >excuse. My husband has lost slower than I have. I'm at goal and have > >been there for a year. Not once have I even remotely considered > >comparing myself to him and saying " Wow, I can do better than this! " > >Why? Because I love him. We have a very strong marriage and > we respect > >and love each other immensely. People who break up over something as > >superficial as weight never had a strong bond to begin with, > so don't > >let the stories of others worry you. Only YOU can judge how > closely you > >and your wife are bonded. She might be feeling a little anxious over > >your healthy focus, but I would be willing to bet that if > you sat down > >and truly talked it through from beginning to end, she is happy and > >proud of you for your weight loss because you will be around > longer to > >leave your socks on the floor and the toilet seat up. > > > >I guess in short (as if I could ever say anything 'in short'), I > >wouldn't worry about it too much unless there is something going on > >between you that you have concern about it. Weight alone is > not going > >to cause a marital breakup. > > > >Tory (been married to the same cutey man for almost 19 > years, and have > >known him since 5th grade) > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2003 Report Share Posted December 6, 2003 LOL ! > Re: Emotional Eating > > > In a message dated 12/6/2003 1:39:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > msteechur@... writes: > Being a type-a, over-acheiver, > perfectionist, anal-retentive nutball makes me want to FORCE > others to do it my way. Hey, you sound like ME! > > > > " Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs need > to relax and > get used to the idea. " > > - A. Heinlein > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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