Re: Digest Number 640

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Hi Jane,

I'm going through the same thing...eliminating the abx that haven't

helped. Neither Doxy nor Biaxin have helped. I'm glad that it seems that

you have found the combo that works for you! I'm seeing my LLMD next

Wed. He's going to make some changes. I'll let everybody know how it

goes. Take Care, Joan LI NY

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>Subject: ImmunoPro

>

>Hi Gang,

> I have asked NEEDS, the mailorder supplier if they want to carry

>ImmunoPro. No, response yet. We don't want to duplicate you contacting

>them , so I'm letting you all know. If they decline, I ask another supplier.

> Also, I found out that the Immunocal study by Dr. Mazlen is only for

>those patients near his office since it requires visits to his office.

>This was not made clear when they posted it on Co-cure and to this list also.

>Al

I looked into this too and I am from outside New York state. Mazlen's

office took my name anyway as they said they are hoping to expand the

study at some point in the future to other states and if they do so it

won't matter what state you are in and they will work with any doctor

even if only one patient is involved...so down the road this might

happen. best, Beth

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Hi Gang! Geoff Crenshaw here.

> Subject: Re: Question about Methrotrex?

>

> Is that your own personal experience with the drug ? Or is that

what

> you have heard? Remember even our Dr. Franco and Dr. Trentham will use

it if

> cases are bad enough. And remember there is another school of thought

on how

's comments are not " off-the-wall " but appear grounded in the

objective of finding a " curative " vs concentrating on QOL (Quality Of

Life) issues. QOL, as most of us have experienced, is aimed at making

the patient feel better while they are being eaten alive by the disease.

(Narrative after " while " , MO, of course.)

The literature states Mtx (Methotrexate) is ineffectual in the long-term

treatment of the Rheumatic diseases, as is the current paradigm.

Short-term treatment can enhance QOL (quality-of-life) issues but Mtx

does nothing to eradicate the root cause of these diseases. In general

the physicians " seem " to agree that very long-term efficacy with Mtx or

the other popular drugs in the current paradigm are a band-aid approach

at best and that even though QOL may be temporarily enhanced, the

disease continues to progress - sometimes at a slower rate, sometimes

not. There are exceptions, of course.

If one were 93 years of age, one might not hesitate to pursue the QOL

issue vs a curative, under the concept of having a limited time left

anyway. However, being " substantially younger than 93 " would put a

different spin on things.

Different physicians have different approaches with immuno-suppressant

and cytotoxic drugs. If you were to do a quick review of approaches,

Trentham and Franco might seem at odds, than at other times they may

appear in the same camp. This should be viewed in their favor as the

object of the exercise is to " tailor " the treatment to the individual.

As in many things, these drugs may seem mutually exclusive but in fact

may not be. For instance, the use of Prednisone while not something to

be " embraced " MAY be appropriate for control of a Herxheimer reaction if

used for a very brief period of time, providing there is nothing else

available that will work as well with less chance of damage. That

proviso is a very BIG, if not the TOTALITY, of the debate. Some

physicians feel such drugs are normally harmless, some feel they are

incredibly dangerous, and most are somewhere in between.

The " two schools " Mark alludes to however, create a decidedly

competitive environment, both economically and theoretically. The school

of " auto-immune problem " promotes, nea, demands suppression and more

importantly, artificially manipulated control over the immune system.

This is the currently popular paradigm. It is also the most

" economically beneficial " approach to the treating community.

The school of " infectious vector " promotes, nea, demands a fully

competent and even " aided " immune system. This is the paradigm of the

AP. This may turn out to be the most " economically beneficial " approach

to society as a whole as it offers the opportunity to eliminate large

masses of disability and put people back to work producing.

The two schools do not play well together. When their paths cross, they

must be carefully monitored. Bickering and squabbles nearly always break

out - sometimes worse.

No, I'm not going to spend all day hunting up " the literature " for links

that have all been on this very list in the past, so don't ask. If

you're interested they're readily available - start with the Lancet.

HTH

Regards,

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Hi ,

In my opinion, if the teacher still counts his homework as late, then she

still doesn't get it. I don't know if poor grades will spur my son on or

not. I think if he doesn't feel they are teaching him anything important ,

he won't care one way or the other.

I'm glad it's working out pretty well for you. I'll keep you updated on our

situation once it starts. (Nest Thurs.)

Terry

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In my opinion, if the teacher still counts his homework as late, then shestill doesn't get it. I don't know if poor grades will spur my son on ornot. I think if he doesn't feel they are teaching him anything important ,he won't care one way or the other.

Dear Terry:

I must say that was my original feeling also. Generally, Ian reacts very negatively to punishment. It just seems to frustrate him more. I thought I'd let it ride for a little while and see. He's always made straight A's and I feel that's been used against him by the school counselor. She doesn't see a problem - she really, really doesn't get it. She's very young with no kids of her own. Now that all 3 of my kids are in her school, I think she's going to learn alot!:-) Maybe if his grades drop a little, she'll pay attention. Seriously though, I am probably going to push for a 504 meeting for him. I think it's time for an IEP for him. Maybe I can make them give him more challenging work. I hate to encourage his habits but I think the meds may have something to do with his forgetfulness. It seems there's always a trade-off.

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Hi Laurie

I too am searching for holistically minded contacts! It's very difficult

when everyone you know still buys into the conventional " trained " thought.

The fact that you " suspect " parasite infestation should tell you

something...trust your instincts.

As far as treating kids for parasites, I am still working on that one.

Though I have treated my daughter for candidiasis and some parasites, I

haven't been able to rid her of what I believe is also a tapeworm. On

occassion she complains of pain in the navel...I suspect a tapeworm or

hookworm is taking a bite there...eeks!

Blackwalnut, wormwood and cloves is the most common herbal combination and

is effective for alot of parasites, but it doesn't kill them all.

I would never use anything other than herbs or natural treatments, because

prescription drug treatments are known to cause mutations, creating

resistant strains. The dosage of herbal treatments for kids is usually 1/4

to 1/3 the adult if they are under the age of 6...unless otherwise stated. I

would try to avoid the tintures with alcohol in them.

Karma and Bernadette are members on the list that have had great success,

and should be able to offer more information about kids and parasite

cleansing...I am still researching.

Have you had a look at the list-owner's website? Of course there's lots of

info at the CDC on parasites also...there's just sooo much to know.

I wish you well on your cleansing adventure!

Healing Thoughts

Donna

>Hi Donna,

>I am new to these groups and I am still searching for contacts with parents

>who are holistically minded. I have been reading as many letters as i can

>find, and I noticed you said you are chasing roundworms next-I am about to

>embark on my own parasite cleanse with Dr. Hulda 's appoach of

>cleansing. I want to have my kids go on a parasite cleanse to-I strongly

>suspect all of us have parasitic infestation. I am examining the possible

>connection there might be between it an my 7yearold having developed a

>heart

>murmur. He didn't have it at birth. Everything I read about

>worms/parasites and any heart disturbace(or any state of dis-ease,for that

>matter)points to their involvement. I have researched this a lot in this

>past wek, almost non stop-the people I have read about who have had major

>disease cures through killing parasites and cleansing the body is amazing.

>I have always live holistically, but when i start seeing these links, I am

>even more convinced about the body's need to be clean from the inside out.

>Can you offer me any info or possible suggestions as to the parasitic

>cleansing of kids? The one I am going to do is black walnut hull tincture

>and cloves and wormwood. There is a similar one for the kids without the

>alcohol. Have your kids done cleansing?

>Thanks. Peace and abundance,

>Laurie

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Hi Allegra,

It is possible to be allergic to lemons. If you don't want to use vinegar,

what about apple cider vinegar or kombucha?

Liquor and sugar are 2 things that you want to stay away from. Especially

with candidiasis. HCl or hydrochloric acid is what our stomachs make. Most

people that have problems with parasites and candidaisis also have low

levels of stomach acid.

" Eating Alive -Prevention Thru Good Digestion " by Dr Jonn Matsen N.D. is an

excellent book that explains how to regain stomach function and improve the

digestive system.

That fact that you have the flu/bronchitis is a good indication that you

need to start treatment now!

Take Care

Donna

> > I just got my homozon yesterday. (= I recently asked if there was a

> > substitute for lemon juice to mix with it. Unfortunately I don't

> > want to use vinegar (I have seen posts here that vinegar is bad).

> > Would hard liquor work? I know that's a wierd question! For some

> > reason I can tolerate liquor better than anything associated with

> > fruit/fruit juice & espically sugar. I have symptoms like bloody

> > urine,fever, & extreme pain in the bladder if I eat fruit/sugar-

> > possibly candidia? ( & nothing shows up on the smegging tests the dr's

> > do!) Anyway,is it always necessary to chase homozon with an acid?

> > Would the acids in your stomach do the trick?

> >

> >

> > I am afraid to start now since I am having a bad bout of

> > flu/bronchitis, but I cannot wait to start when I get better!

> >

> > Any suggestions would be very welcome!

> >

> > Allegra

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> And are some scents not good to use for bath salts, and bubble bath? I

>remember reading somewhere that " Cinnamon " can cause reactions..Is that true?

Cinnamon bark is a known sensitizer, cinnamon LEAF can be a skin irritant.

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- I have to re-register soon (next month) with the NMC (Ugh?) and

intend to write a letter to Ashbridge as I am required still to

register on the invisible HV Register. I am unhappy about paying fees to

re-register onto something that is not really going to meet my needs nor

seems to know where it is going with HVs. Out of sit4e out of mind I

think!! But I have no option. Well I do and that is not to go back on

the register but that depends whether I feel like practising again and

even though there's a shortage I feel disinclined to return to practice

after all the problems that we have experienced. I would rather be

registered with something that does not describe me as a nurse - rather

as a health professional if we need to be generic about it! I do not

feel like a nurse and indeed would probably do some harm if I did feel

the need to practice again after 30 years out of the business.

In message <1024033564.498.11137.m12 >, SENATE-

HVSN writes

>

>

[Guest guest]

Am I alone in being proud to be a nurse as well as HV? Working closely with double and triple duty nurses in (very) rural Scotland my nursing background gives real street cred. and also facilitates communication with rest of the PCT. As long as the job gets done does it really matter what title is used? Or am I being very naive?

Pen

>From: Rowe

>Reply- > >Subject: Re: Digest Number 640 >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:38:46 +0100 > > - I have to re-register soon (next month) with the NMC (Ugh?) and >intend to write a letter to Ashbridge as I am required still to >register on the invisible HV Register. I am unhappy about paying fees to >re-register onto something that is not really going to meet my needs nor >seems to know where it is going with HVs. Out of sit4e out of mind I >think!! But I have no option. Well I do and that is not to go back on >the register but that depends whether I feel like practising again and >even though there's a shortage I feel disinclined to return to practice >after all the problems that we have experienced. I would rather be >registered with something that does not describe me as a nurse - rather >as a health professional if we need to be generic about it! I do not >feel like a nurse and indeed would probably do some harm if I did feel >the need to practice again after 30 years out of the business. > > >In message <1024033564.498.11137.m12 >, SENATE- >HVSN writes > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm sure you are not alone in feeling proud of being both a nurse and a

health visitor Penny. I for one would be delighted to support anyone who

feels that and I would love to get to a situation where each of the two

occupations could, not only work together, but feel a mutual respect for

and pride in each others' complementary contributions to health care.

What is at issue is whether, instead of pride, we should be ashamed of

being health visitors (and keep it secret: a profession that dare

not/may not speak its name!!) because pride in being a nurse is the only

thing that is allowed. That is the position that is being forced on us,

and as someone who is very proud to be a health visitor, I feel very

aggrieved about it.

More importantly, it is absolutely clear that if, as an occupation, we

are happy to ONLY call ourselves nurses, we will lose the health

visiting register and the health visiting profession, along with any

right to peer/self- regulation of the standards of our practice and

profession. That is what the regulatory body is, supposedly, there for

and the way it protects the public: by ensuring standards of practice.

If it stops being seen as a distinct registrant group, health visiting

will quickly be relegated to a single, rather limited role locked inside

nursing, instead of being able to continue to develop the host of new

roles that are coming on stream, as well as the traditional primary care

team functions. The legally protected title 'Registered health visitor'

will go, because it is linked to the title of the register and the

profession.

I really believe the potential for future generations to 'get the job

done' will be compromised if those things happen, although I recognise

that there will be no immediate change and that others believe it is

unimportant. Indeed, the powers that be, who are determined to merge

nursing and health visiting into one, also suggest that you can do 'what

you do' without naming it (but what do you call it? Surely 'health

visiting' is what health visitors do, just as 'nursing' is what nurses

do). It is because the CPHVA and the RCN joined forces to tell the

government that health visitors all regard themselves only as nurses

(not as BOTH nurses and health visitors, but as one and the same) that

health visiting was removed as a named profession from the statute.

Reading between the lines, it sounds as though there is a kind of 'open

season' bidding process going on at the NMC because the possible 'third

register' (Nursing and Midwifery being the first two) has no name on it.

I hope our health visiting representatives on Council will want to, and

will be able to keep it as a health visiting register, but at present,

it seems to be being regarded as a kind of vacant lot into which anyone

can squat and make a claim. Anyone, it seems, except 'health visiting'

because that registrant group is not named in the statute, so it is

looked down upon and sneered at, even by their own professional

organisations.

Sorry, Penny: that is not what you said, and I am very pleased that you

asked the question, because we do all need to understand the cost (as

well as the benefits) of focusing ONLY on the nursing elements of health

visiting. I can think of no reason at all why retaining both professions

should prevent people from, as you say, being proud of belonging to

both. But how can we be proud of our occupation if we are unable to

regulate it ourselves, and if we are prevented from publicly using, and

having acknowledged, the name that signifies its collected knowledge,

approach to professional practice and underlying principles?

best wishes

penny cunynghame wrote:

> Am I alone in being proud to be a nurse as well as HV? Working closely

> with double and triple duty nurses in (very) rural Scotland my nursing

> background gives real street cred. and also facilitates communication

> with rest of the PCT. As long as the job gets done does it really

> matter what title is used? Or am I being very naive?

>

> Pen

>

> >From: Rowe >Reply- >To:

> >Subject: Re: Digest Number

> 640 >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:38:46 +0100 > > - I have to

> re-register soon (next month) with the NMC (Ugh?) and >intend to write

> a letter to Ashbridge as I am required still to >register on

> the invisible HV Register. I am unhappy about paying fees to

> >re-register onto something that is not really going to meet my needs

> nor >seems to know where it is going with HVs. Out of sit4e out of

> mind I >think!! But I have no option. Well I do and that is not to go

> back on >the register but that depends whether I feel like practising

> again and >even though there's a shortage I feel disinclined to return

> to practice >after all the problems that we have experienced. I would

> rather be >registered with something that does not describe me as a

> nurse - rather >as a health professional if we need to be generic

> about it! I do not >feel like a nurse and indeed would probably do

> some harm if I did feel >the need to practice again after 30 years out

> of the business. > > >In message

> <1024033564.498.11137.m12 >, SENATE-

> >HVSN writes > > > >

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Penny,

I am both proud to be a nurse and health visitor. However, as a HV I have chosen to develop my nursing skills along a different path bringing a social perspective of health to a medically orientated service. Calling myself a HV helps understand this difference.

At the Eastern Region Conference one of the workshops was about HV registration and one of the debates focused on wether HV should be a separate registered qualification or as part of a community practitioner registration. One of the comments made was that if we were registered community practitioners then at least we would not have to explain what HVs do. At present I work in a very deprived area and we work very closely with our GPs, nurse practitioner and community workers. we take a huge number of referrals from not only professionals that work with our community but also I am amazed at the number of clients that seek us out. There is no problem about describing what health visitors do, in fact clients and staff know exactly what health visiting incorporates. It seems to me that those who always ask what health visitors do are those who, for whatever reason do not want to engage with health visiting.

What happens when we are registered community practitioners? Do we then have to explain the differences between community practitioner DN, community practitioner CPN, community practitioner LD etc. etc? I have worked hard to become and practice as a health visitor and see myself as a professional in my own right. I do not understand how and why others might feel they have a right to decide wether I call myself a health visitor or not.

Re: Digest Number 640 >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:38:46 +0100 > > - I have to re-register soon (next month) with the NMC (Ugh?) and >intend to write a letter to Ashbridge as I am required still to >register on the invisible HV Register. I am unhappy about paying fees to >re-register onto something that is not really going to meet my needs nor >seems to know where it is going with HVs. Out of sit4e out of mind I >think!! But I have no option. Well I do and that is not to go back on >the register but that depends whether I feel like practising again and >even though there's a shortage I feel disinclined to return to practice >after all the problems that we have experienced. I would rather be >registered with something that does not describe me as a nurse - rather >as a health professional if we need to be generic about it! I do not >feel like a nurse and indeed would probably do some harm if I did feel >the need to practice again after 30 years out of the business. > > >In message <1024033564.498.11137.m12 >, SENATE- >HVSN writes > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi

Just reflecting on what you said about nursing and health visiting I could not agree more. When I think why I trained as a nurse it was because I wanted to be a Health Visitor and nursing was the only route to that qualification.

I have always cared about the health of the population and felt that the HV'ing route was the key to the future because it focussed on keeping people healthy and prevented them needing to be nursed. There is most definitely a need for us all but we are different, because our starting points are different. I would be truly saddened if our name and role is lost and I will fight to keep our registration alive.

Helen Colyer

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Well said Charlene. I completely agree.

June

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Alina

I am not a licensed massage therapist, but here are some tips based on what

I've learned from experience:

1.Make sure your " patient " is comfortable. This is crucial. If a person

has, say, low back pain, & they are enjoying the massage - all except that

their neck is in a slight kink, then your work will often be rendered

useless. Even if the " patient " says they can take it. You are, in the long

run, trading places with the pain.

2.Don't get overzealous. Especially in the beginning, you don't want to be

using a whole lot of pressure. The soreness afterwards may just cause the

" patient " to have even more pain/spasm.

3.DO NOT rub or manipulate ANY masses, lumps, bumps, bulges, etc., or the

LEGS, without checking with their doctor. You could be rubbing a tumor

without knowing it. Or they could have a blood clot in the leg & not know

it, only to have you cause it to break loose & travel from massage - bad

news. Don't mess with this stuff unless a doctor says it's ok. Better to be

safe than sorry.

4.Avoid the upper 2/3 of the neck & use only very gentle pressure if you do

venture here. I've found these areas to trigger headaches that are horrible.

5.Go get a facial & try to learn/remember as many of the massage strokes they

use. These are very effective on headaches. You'll probably need to vary

the pressure for your " patient " , but the strokes are the same.

HTH

With Blessings & Love,

Carla Kay

~ Ps. 96:1 O come let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to

the rock of our salvation.

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In a message dated 7/10/05 12:41:59 PM, writes:

Please stop the nonsense..

, not to toot our own horn, but have you never heard of GRASP? Its working, and not in the dogmatic sense. I hope you get a chance to see that sometime. You can only go uphill.

With the BEST of luck to you.

Yours,

Carley

Executive Director

GRASP

The Global and Regional Asperger Syndrome Partnership, Inc.

135 East 15th Street

New York, NY 10003

646.242.4003

212.529.9996-fax

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In a message dated 7/10/2005 2:03:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, globalmerchantorg@... writes:

I have heard of others tooting there horns.. One way is honking a car horn the other isn’t clear.

Honking the horn could also be a sign of road rage. The other way is using obscene gestures and yelling profanities out the car window if your horn is disconnected.

[Guest guest]

I have heard of others tooting there horns.. One way is honking a car horn the other isn’t clear.

Going uphill is entertaining as this means a struggle.mjcarley@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/10/05 12:41:59 PM, writes:

Please stop the nonsense.., not to toot our own horn, but have you never heard of GRASP? Its working, and not in the dogmatic sense. I hope you get a chance to see that sometime. You can only go uphill.With the BEST of luck to you.Yours, CarleyExecutive DirectorGRASPThe Global and Regional Asperger Syndrome Partnership, Inc.135 East 15th StreetNew York, NY 10003646.242.4003212.529.9996-faxmjcarley@...www.grasp.orgFAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't

forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

[Guest guest]

Muzzle flash from a .357magnum can also be an indicative sign of road rage. Also the use of vehicles of much larger mass and using them to impact into other vehicles can also indicate bad manners on the road.

Evan

Honking the horn could also be a sign of road rage. The other way is using obscene gestures and yelling profanities out the car window if your horn is disconnected.

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I hope nobody took this seriously! I am in a silly mood at the moment.

EvanEvan Sinclair <cennis007@...> wrote:

Muzzle flash from a .357magnum can also be an indicative sign of road rage. Also the use of vehicles of much larger mass and using them to impact into other vehicles can also indicate bad manners on the road.

Evan

Honking the horn could also be a sign of road rage. The other way is using obscene gestures and yelling profanities out the car window if your horn is disconnected.

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Well, is good to vent from time to time ^-^Evan Sinclair <cennis007@...> escribió:

I hope nobody took this seriously! I am in a silly mood at the moment.

EvanEvan Sinclair <cennis007@...> wrote:

Muzzle flash from a .357magnum can also be an indicative sign of road rage. Also the use of vehicles of much larger mass and using them to impact into other vehicles can also indicate bad manners on the road.

Evan

Honking the horn could also be a sign of road rage. The other way is using obscene gestures and yelling profanities out the car window if your horn is disconnected.

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