Re: Re: Help - Heart just started beating VERY slowly and IRREGULARLY

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Btw, I need to buy new Iron now. Is it ok to switch from 100 mg of one brand to 100 mg ofanother brand or do I need to gradually switch over or increase the dose from 27 mg and up?I am thinking of getting the Blubonnet chelated iron, 27 mg per capsule.But what are the differencies between let's say the Bluebonnet iron and Now Foods iron?Bluebonnet: http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Iron-90-Vcaps/11571?at=0Now Foods: http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Iron-18-mg-120-Vcaps/10481?at=0Except from the mg's, I see that Bluebonnet (27 mg) is made from "ferrous bisglycinate chelate" and Now Foods (18 mg) is made from: "90 mg of Iron Amino Acid Chelate. (Ferrochel Iron

Bisglycinate)"Is this the exact same type or iron or do they differ? I aldready have the Now Foods onelying round. My wife takes it for her pms headaches.

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And why would my blood volume be so high now (above the range, at 17.8. top range is 17.0)when it was never high before? Is it because I take an iron supplement? Can it be bad totake iron when I have such a high blood volume?I almost feel like someone gave me a sedative now. Been feeling like this since last night.T.

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As for iron and infectons that alter the ferritin levels. Does an infection only make a high ferritin look low, or can a low ferritin look high for the same matter?Reading about iron and ferritin now. Just googling a lot!

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Is it normal to loose the feeling/sensitivity (not sure how to write it in English) in the face

and also in the whole body, while on T3-only, taking iron or Hydrocortison?

It's happening to me now and I don't know what to do. My face has become visibly bigger

in the past 24 hours too. Is this myxedema coming to me? In that case, I need more T3

fast. But I need to get that Ferritin up first? This is hard.

Then there's the salt. Do I get too much, too little of it? Who knows.

Do I wait? Do I call the ER (they probably can't help me anyway) or...?

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>Btw, I need to buy new Iron now. Is it ok to switch from 100 mg of one brand to

100 mg of

>another brand or do I need to gradually switch over or increase the dose from

27 mg and up?

Switching should be fine

Nick

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Can I switch back and forth? My wife had like 15 tabs left of her 18 mg iron. So I did2 x 3 of those today to get 108 mg iron. I think I will increase the dose to 2 x 125 mgtomorrow. Would 50 mg be too big of an increase in just one day?I also plan to do the 5 mcg increase in T3 this nighttime. At 3 am. It's not too muchtaking 5 mcg of T3 in the middle of the night like that?

>Btw, I need to buy new Iron now. Is it ok to switch from 100 mg of one brand to 100 mg of

>another brand or do I need to gradually switch over or increase the dose from 27 mg and up?

Switching should be fine.

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When I up my T3 from 15 to 20 mcg in a few hours (at 3 am) - Will that be ok even if I tookmy last dose of 2.5 mg HC at 9 pm? HC assures that T3 goes into the cells along with Ferritin, right? Well this dose of T3 will have no HC backup. Is that ok?

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Does anybody know if I can take my extra 5 mcg of T3 (upping the dose to 20 mcg daily!)now at 3 am in the nighttime, without taking HC first? I do 25 mg HC daily, but took myeveningdose at 9 pm. Is it safe to take T3 without taking HC first so late?

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>Does anybody know if I can take my extra 5 mcg of T3 (upping the dose to 20 mcg

daily!)

>now at 3 am in the nighttime, without taking HC first? I do 25 mg HC daily, but

took my

>eveningdose at 9 pm. Is it safe to take T3 without taking HC first so late?

You want the cortisol levels to drop at night. That's what helps sleep

It will be fine

Nick

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Ok. But what is all that I've heard about HC helping T3 into the cells? I had T3 poolingbecause of low cortisol (maybe low ferritin too, but I am not sure about that!) back in 2007and into 2008, which led to atrial fibrillation. Trying to avoid that now. :pDidn't take the very late dose last night. Gonna do it this night at 1-2 am instead!

>Does anybody know if I can take my extra 5 mcg of T3 (upping the dose to 20 mcg daily!)

>now at 3 am in the nighttime, without taking HC first? I do 25 mg HC daily, but took my

>eveningdose at 9 pm. Is it safe to take T3 without taking HC first so late?

You want the cortisol levels to drop at night. That's what helps sleep

It will be fine

Nick

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www.thyroid- rt3.com

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,Tonight is finally the night I will go up to 20 mcg T3. I've been on 15 mcg T3 for 1 months now.I don't have that pressure on my chest anymore, so that could mean I am getting a little moreFerritin/Iron working now than 3-4 weeks ago.Now, would it be perfectly safe to do the 5 mcg of T3 at 1:30 am (that's my schedule for today)after taking the last dose of 2.5 mg HC at 9 pm? The 2.5 mg HC will be used up quickly.Does that mean that there will be no cortisol left to "handle" or to "take" the T3 when Itake it some hours later? Because of this worry, I did not increase my T3 to 20 mcg lastnight, at 3 am.Just wanna be sure before I do things.

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There is always SOME cortisol in your body. You cannot live ONE minute

with no cortiosl. It should be fine to take it then,.

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I can't help it, when I feel a "hand" squeeze my heart, or a "lump" inside my chest, I getworried. Every now and then (it's also a constant feeling) I feel this.. THING in my heart...Like something is happening.. It's a strange feeling.. Almost a little ticklish.. But also like..A "lump" is stuck and moving around in there. No extreme pain or anything, no heavypressure like I had 3 weeks ago. This is something.. Else.Do we just have to accept feeling like this when Hypo and not-yet-treated-correctly withall kinds of meds and supplements? Or is this a dangerous situation (insert condition here)that apepars because I have been Hypo for 2 years now, treated wrongly by Endos whichremoved my T3, then tried to remove my T4?The only change I've done lately is upping my iron, well, today. Nothing else.*sigh* Just

scared and.. SICK of being scared so often!

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Why is my tempreature 37.0 C almost every time I measure (98.6 F), and I still haveHypo symptoms? Maybe I'm not hypothyroid at all, and I am kept sick by taking meds? :)It is peculiar though. Shouldn't my temps be lower while only taking 15 mcg T3? Hmmm!

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Hi Val,I am about to take my 5 mcg of T3 now at 1:30 am local time here in Norway. It's a verytense moment for me as I have memories of being on T3, while getting that a-fib. I hopeit won't happen to me again. I did feel stressed for 8 months before the a-fib, and Ionly seemed to stress more and more and more. So I guess that was one long warningsign for me. I didn't get it back then, so the a-fib happened. This time, I know which signsto look for. If I get a high resting pulse, stress, or anything close to a tachycardia, I willcut back on the T3 down to 15 mcg daily which has been my dose for about 1 month now.Does this sound like a good batteplan?However, I do not feel safe trying 20 mcg of T3 now. I am worried about that Ferritin.Do you recon I should try 5 mcg of T3 now (total: 20 mcg if I do so) - Or wait til

myFerritin is confirmed at a higher mark? (70s ++)Worrying all too much,!

There is always SOME cortisol in your body. You cannot live ONE minute

with no cortiosl. It should be fine to take it then.

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I still wonder how to figure out how much HC I need. I am at 25 mg now. Seems to be.. Ok?I don't know. Temps are stable at 98.6 F (37.0 C) all thru the day. Shouldn't they be lowerconsider I am.. Hypo now? Well anyway.. Upped to 20 mcg T3 yesterday. Worried it willaffect my heart and put me into a-fib land! Hope that won't happen.What are the signs to look for, with "too much" T3 and too low Ferritin?

There is always SOME cortisol in your body. You cannot live ONE minute

with no cortiosl. It should be fine to take it then.

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High T3 would be a steady high pulse.. 110 and above I would lower T3.

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Good to know.I just worry about getting a-fib again. How could I get it? Too low Ferritin, low cortisol or what?My heart feels a little... Strange, like it's tickling a little.. I don't like it!Maybe I should take 150 mg of iron today? Upped to 125 mg yesterday.Thanks!

High T3 would be a steady high pulse.. 110 and above I would lower T3.

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>Maybe I should take 150 mg of iron today? Upped to 125 mg yesterday.

Go for it, 150 may help

Nick

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Willdo.But I am terribly insecure about stopping the iron supplementing for 5 days before Imake the blood sample. I will get "no iron" then for 5 days... Then it will be difficult tostart taking iron again too. :pT.

>Maybe I should take 150 mg of iron today? Upped to 125 mg yesterday.

Go for it, 150 may help

Nick

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God I have to stay awake for 1 1/2 more hours. It's 1 am now and I am SO sleepy.But I must stay awake.. To take my T3 at 2:30 am. That's how my schedule ended uptoday! :pI _must_ wait 4 hours between each T3 dose, right? I mean, 4 hours minimum? Or?

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Heart again:I've had more and more skipping the beats in the past few days. After increaseing to 20 mcg T3.Right NOW, only minutes ago, my heart "tumbeled" and "fell" (difficult to describe it) like it wanted to stop, but it kept going. Over and over, for 10-15 seconds, EXACTLY like that time a month ago or so, when I went into the hospital for the night, and it was also the start of This thread.It does feel dangerous and I don't like this one bit. Any advice anyone?Maybe up T3 today? 4 days ago, I upped it form 15 to 20 mcg. This issue with the heart isn't happening from having low ferritin is it? That's only related to tolderating T3 and too much T3 in the blood not reaching cells can give high pulse and high temp right?Wondering if I should go to the ER or not. I feel they can't help me.

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Hello Lee,Thanks for your reply! It's interesting and helpful to hear that others have similar problems too. It's also sad to know people suffer! You describe this in a way that makes me recognize my problems. I would even say it feels like the heart is getting a "CRAMP-LIKE-DANCE" in there for 5-10-15 seconds at a time. I always think "That's it, gonna die now!" but so far, I haven't! And if this T3-only thing, with HC and iron supps will do it, well... *sigh* Then I'll be the happiest person alive! Currently at 30 mcg T3.I've read on here a few times that T3 is used for heart issues. I find this all very interesting. Considering the endo I went to 2 years ago removed my T3 because she hated T3-meds. Yup, she was an all T4-endo! One of the many, sadly.

 

When I do not have enough T3 in me, my heart rate slows down from its normal (around 60+ BPM) to under 50. The beat feels heavy and ponderous. Then it feels like a missed beat, long pause, then 3 or 4 fairly rapid beats. This continues. When I have enough T3 in me, I never notice my heart beat, but when I routinely check my pulse, its steady, regular and at 60+. I'm cycling up right now and, because not yet at optimum, having periods of uneveness including the heart beat phenom. just described. These "palpitations" , called "bradychardia: were part of symptoms constellation that got me looking into T3 a couple of years ago and fairly typical as T3 is instrumental/ critical in stimulating heart stroke.

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Well Nick, clever as you are, I don't think it would take a rocket scientist to tell I'm worried! Haha.. I know I'm worried. But I also feel I'm worried from a reason. I just didn't become worried over night. Years and years of suffering, and more recently, 2 years of living HELL, has made their marks on me. I don't know if you ever had fibrillation, but I tell ya, 20 minutes of being 100% sure you're gonna die, is not the most health improving thing that can happen, physically not mentally. Anyway. I am here where I am today and I just gotta do the best with my situation! This group has meant a LOT to me, much more than you know! No matter how bad I feel, there's always advice to find on this group, or your website, Nick. Once again, thank you, and thanks to Val, which is sitting on a big pile of wisdom as well.As for the dentish. I don't

have any huge dental working coming up. Luckily! I just gotta fill in 2 microscopic cavities without using anesthetics. Any advice on that? I should go for a fluoride-free composite material, right? Is it a problem they use nano-technology for these fillings these days, or is it ok? Nano-tech can be grat, but also scary. They use nanos for air fresheners these days. Ya know, the kind they have a the local supermarket. The cheap ones. NOT good. Who knows what these lil nanos are doing inside out bodies when we breathe them into our lungs. Speaking of anesthetics, I do have a tonsil operation coming up sometime in the coming few months. Now, they already told me that if my heart stops, they'll bring me back with adrenaline. One question then: How can they bring me back to life if they can't use adrenaline due to my AF? Just got to make sure I have everything planned before I go ahead with that operation! I got SO broken after just a dental CHECK. Wonder

how messed up I'll be after the tonsil operaton. . .As for my stress... I have been in a very difficult marriage for 2 years now. Don't think it has made my AF any better. But this stress that I felt today came to me even before I met her. So... It MUST be something else. Is it recommended doing a MR of the adrenals or something, to see if there might be a tumor on them or something? What IS creating this stress?Testosterone. Val already adviced me taking some. Trying to figure out what to take. Think I'm gonna bring this up for my GP. Is it normal for men to take testosterone supps while having Hypo and AF?

>Yeah. And their training is inadequate.

Yep

>No, the dentish app was just a checkup, and a cleanup of my teeth! Why?

The normal local anesthetics used contain adrenaline. This can cause

problems for some adrenal/thyroid people. They should be able to get

one without if asked in advance.

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>Just wanted to ask... Do you know why I am stressed now? Just got quite stressed while sitting in my sofa. Kind of like I was back in late 2007, before T3-med was removed from me. Hmmm! Does my low Testosterone (at 10.. shold be towards 60!) play a part in my overall health today you think?

It must play a part somewhere. Low is more likely to be calming than

high though.

I don't know why you are stressed, I haven't met you :-)

Concern over your health is a big issue with you though, a dose

increase worries you and it may be the "fear of what might happen"

from that recent change that is getting to you

Nick