RE: [BULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

[Guest guest]

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

And that is totally your right. But for those of us who do not want to totally write them off if we don't have to, I think that encouraging them to actually test the product is a great solution. Yes, it's a big company and yes, they pay people a ton of money to know their product and to do all sorts of things...but perhaps they do not know there is something as simple as a test. They were trying to be proactive by listing wheat as an ingredient (when, by the way, they do not have to by law yet) bc it may or may not be in the oil. I am not defending them, and I think they've not only hurt this segment of their public, but also themselves by jumping the gun and listing it without thinking about the ramifications of doing so without having gone through the testing that would tell them conclusively if the oil/fries does or does not contain wheat GLUTEN which would cause Celiacs and people with allergies some problems.

By changing their list, they did tell us. Most companies don't hold a big press conference announcing ingredients changes, we find out about them the same way we found out about this. Sure, theirs wasn't an ingredient change, and that's a whole different issue and debate on what they knew and when, but how they announced it is no different than how any other company handles it. When Kellogg's started adding malt or wheat starch to their previously GF cereals there was no big media announcement, it traveled by word of mouth. Just as this did. Would you rather they not label first and then test? What if they did that, and they came back not gf? And we found out they knew all along but wanted to wait for testing? Or would you rather have them be cautious, label them as containing wheat, then test and find out they are actually ok?

So, go ahead and write them off. That's your perogative. But all I'm asking is for people who don't want to give up McD's (bc there are no other fast food options for some of us...I have McD's and Burger King to choose from and that's it) to write them and ask for the testing so we will know for sure. I just hate guessing, and I hate ambiguity. And if I don't have to tell my 4 year old he can't have McD's any more, ever, then I'll be one happy camper!!

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:12 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

Sweeeeet.. More fries for me!

--E RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

And that is totally your right. But for those of us who do not want to totally write them off if we don't have to, I think that encouraging them to actually test the product is a great solution. Yes, it's a big company and yes, they pay people a ton of money to know their product and to do all sorts of things...but perhaps they do not know there is something as simple as a test. They were trying to be proactive by listing wheat as an ingredient (when, by the way, they do not have to by law yet) bc it may or may not be in the oil. I am not defending them, and I think they've not only hurt this segment of their public, but also themselves by jumping the gun and listing it without thinking about the ramifications of doing so without having gone through the testing that would tell them conclusively if the oil/fries does or does not contain wheat GLUTEN which would cause

Celiacs and people with allergies some problems.

By changing their list, they did tell us. Most companies don't hold a big press conference announcing ingredients changes, we find out about them the same way we found out about this. Sure, theirs wasn't an ingredient change, and that's a whole different issue and debate on what they knew and when, but how they announced it is no different than how any other company handles it. When Kellogg's started adding malt or wheat starch to their previously GF cereals there was no big media announcement, it traveled by word of mouth. Just as this did. Would you rather they not label first and then test? What if they did that, and they came back not gf? And we found out they knew all along but wanted to wait for testing? Or would you rather have them be cautious, label them as containing wheat, then test and find out they are actually ok?

So, go ahead and write them off. That's your perogative. But all I'm asking is for people who don't want to give up McD's (bc there are no other fast food options for some of us...I have McD's and Burger King to choose from and that's it) to write them and ask for the testing so we will know for sure. I just hate guessing, and I hate ambiguity. And if I don't have to tell my 4 year old he can't have McD's any more, ever, then I'll be one happy camper!!

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:12 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was

the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

I knew you'd be sooo happy to see this thread... ;-)

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of SlinkmanSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:30 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

Sweeeeet.. More fries for me!

--E RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

And that is totally your right. But for those of us who do not want to totally write them off if we don't have to, I think that encouraging them to actually test the product is a great solution. Yes, it's a big company and yes, they pay people a ton of money to know their product and to do all sorts of things...but perhaps they do not know there is something as simple as a test. They were trying to be proactive by listing wheat as an ingredient (when, by the way, they do not have to by law yet) bc it may or may not be in the oil. I am not defending them, and I think they've not only hurt this segment of their public, but also themselves by jumping the gun and listing it without thinking about the ramifications of doing so without having gone through the testing that would tell them conclusively if the oil/fries does or does not contain wheat GLUTEN which would cause Celiacs and people with allergies some problems.

By changing their list, they did tell us. Most companies don't hold a big press conference announcing ingredients changes, we find out about them the same way we found out about this. Sure, theirs wasn't an ingredient change, and that's a whole different issue and debate on what they knew and when, but how they announced it is no different than how any other company handles it. When Kellogg's started adding malt or wheat starch to their previously GF cereals there was no big media announcement, it traveled by word of mouth. Just as this did. Would you rather they not label first and then test? What if they did that, and they came back not gf? And we found out they knew all along but wanted to wait for testing? Or would you rather have them be cautious, label them as containing wheat, then test and find out they are actually ok?

So, go ahead and write them off. That's your perogative. But all I'm asking is for people who don't want to give up McD's (bc there are no other fast food options for some of us...I have McD's and Burger King to choose from and that's it) to write them and ask for the testing so we will know for sure. I just hate guessing, and I hate ambiguity. And if I don't have to tell my 4 year old he can't have McD's any more, ever, then I'll be one happy camper!!

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:12 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

I expect we will see a lot more "lying companies" pretty soon. Didn't Post just admit they had been lying to us for years with the Pebbles cereals? Don't look now, I think there is some gluten in Roswell and I could have sworn I saw Mc in Dealey Plaza eating wheat covered fries on the grassy knoll!

--E RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

And that is totally your right. But for those of us who do not want to totally write them off if we don't have to, I think that encouraging them to actually test the product is a great solution. Yes, it's a big company and yes, they pay people a ton of money to know their product and to do all sorts of things...but perhaps they do not know there is something as simple as a test. They were trying to be proactive by listing wheat as an ingredient (when, by the way, they do not have to by law yet) bc it may or may not be in the oil. I am not defending them, and I think they've not only hurt this segment of their public, but also themselves by jumping the gun and listing it without thinking about the ramifications of doing so without having gone through the testing that would tell them conclusively if the oil/fries does or does not contain wheat GLUTEN which would cause

Celiacs and people with allergies some problems.

By changing their list, they did tell us. Most companies don't hold a big press conference announcing ingredients changes, we find out about them the same way we found out about this. Sure, theirs wasn't an ingredient change, and that's a whole different issue and debate on what they knew and when, but how they announced it is no different than how any other company handles it. When Kellogg's started adding malt or wheat starch to their previously GF cereals there was no big media announcement, it traveled by word of mouth. Just as this did. Would you rather they not label first and then test? What if they did that, and they came back not gf? And we found out they knew all along but wanted to wait for testing? Or would you rather have them be cautious, label them as containing wheat, then test and find out they are actually ok?

So, go ahead and write them off. That's your perogative. But all I'm asking is for people who don't want to give up McD's (bc there are no other fast food options for some of us...I have McD's and Burger King to choose from and that's it) to write them and ask for the testing so we will know for sure. I just hate guessing, and I hate ambiguity. And if I don't have to tell my 4 year old he can't have McD's any more, ever, then I'll be one happy camper!!

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:12 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was

the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

I think the Post thing was that they don't say their cereal is GF, and if you ask that they will say no, but they do not use gluten-containing ingredients. It's basically semantics....sigh....just think, we all WANTED this new labeling law!! ;-)

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of SlinkmanSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:38 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I expect we will see a lot more "lying companies" pretty soon. Didn't Post just admit they had been lying to us for years with the Pebbles cereals? Don't look now, I think there is some gluten in Roswell and I could have sworn I saw Mc in Dealey Plaza eating wheat covered fries on the grassy knoll!

--E RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

And that is totally your right. But for those of us who do not want to totally write them off if we don't have to, I think that encouraging them to actually test the product is a great solution. Yes, it's a big company and yes, they pay people a ton of money to know their product and to do all sorts of things...but perhaps they do not know there is something as simple as a test. They were trying to be proactive by listing wheat as an ingredient (when, by the way, they do not have to by law yet) bc it may or may not be in the oil. I am not defending them, and I think they've not only hurt this segment of their public, but also themselves by jumping the gun and listing it without thinking about the ramifications of doing so without having gone through the testing that would tell them conclusively if the oil/fries does or does not contain wheat GLUTEN which would cause Celiacs and people with allergies some problems.

By changing their list, they did tell us. Most companies don't hold a big press conference announcing ingredients changes, we find out about them the same way we found out about this. Sure, theirs wasn't an ingredient change, and that's a whole different issue and debate on what they knew and when, but how they announced it is no different than how any other company handles it. When Kellogg's started adding malt or wheat starch to their previously GF cereals there was no big media announcement, it traveled by word of mouth. Just as this did. Would you rather they not label first and then test? What if they did that, and they came back not gf? And we found out they knew all along but wanted to wait for testing? Or would you rather have them be cautious, label them as containing wheat, then test and find out they are actually ok?

So, go ahead and write them off. That's your perogative. But all I'm asking is for people who don't want to give up McD's (bc there are no other fast food options for some of us...I have McD's and Burger King to choose from and that's it) to write them and ask for the testing so we will know for sure. I just hate guessing, and I hate ambiguity. And if I don't have to tell my 4 year old he can't have McD's any more, ever, then I'll be one happy camper!!

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:12 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

It will definitely complicate things for us, IMHO. It is obvious that Post's products are probably GF, but due to our ridiculous "grab your lawyer" mentality they won't even say it! Think about it this way - if Post and Mc's kept up the GF labeling then in 20 years or so everyone from the "sue Mc's bandwagon" a week ago would sue them in a similar fashion to the way the cigarette companies are being sued. So, from the standpoint of a Mickey D's exec - would you rather lose a few weird, vocal wheat hating customers (us) or keep them and risk losing millions due to potential future lawsuits?

If it were me, I'd label everything "might contain gluten, wheat, mouse droppings, dinosaur bones, *.*, etc." just to reduce future potential liability.

--E RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

And that is totally your right. But for those of us who do not want to totally write them off if we don't have to, I think that encouraging them to actually test the product is a great solution. Yes, it's a big company and yes, they pay people a ton of money to know their product and to do all sorts of things...but perhaps they do not know there is something as simple as a test. They were trying to be proactive by listing wheat as an ingredient (when, by the way, they do not have to by law yet) bc it may or may not be in the oil. I am not defending them, and I think they've not only hurt this segment of their public, but also themselves by jumping the gun and listing it without thinking about the ramifications of doing so without having gone through the testing that would tell them conclusively if the oil/fries does or does not contain wheat GLUTEN which would cause

Celiacs and people with allergies some problems.

By changing their list, they did tell us. Most companies don't hold a big press conference announcing ingredients changes, we find out about them the same way we found out about this. Sure, theirs wasn't an ingredient change, and that's a whole different issue and debate on what they knew and when, but how they announced it is no different than how any other company handles it. When Kellogg's started adding malt or wheat starch to their previously GF cereals there was no big media announcement, it traveled by word of mouth. Just as this did. Would you rather they not label first and then test? What if they did that, and they came back not gf? And we found out they knew all along but wanted to wait for testing? Or would you rather have them be cautious, label them as containing wheat, then test and find out they are actually ok?

So, go ahead and write them off. That's your perogative. But all I'm asking is for people who don't want to give up McD's (bc there are no other fast food options for some of us...I have McD's and Burger King to choose from and that's it) to write them and ask for the testing so we will know for sure. I just hate guessing, and I hate ambiguity. And if I don't have to tell my 4 year old he can't have McD's any more, ever, then I'll be one happy camper!!

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:12 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

I for one have totally written off Mcs because of many reasons. Number one they had the nerve to tell us that the french fries were GF when it looks like all along they never did look into it, they obviously do not understand the reality that our kids cannot eat any amount of gluten safely, but further more instead of doing the testing they are now stating that the french fries have not changed so if you could eat them yesterday then today is fine. And all of that is high on my list but then they sneak around to change their website instead of doing the testing first and do not tell us so we cannot make an informed decision. The way they handled informing us is something that has totally shaken my trust in them. If it was an honest mistake that all this time they thought their french fries contained gluten then just let us know they have to do testing. But it was

the very fact they labeled them GF that I thought I was making an informed decision. So no matter how this shakes out I am NOT going to eat at a restaurant that cannot do better customer care than that!

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

[Guest guest]

Bridget,

My only options in town for a meal out period were a Thai place and Mcs so it was hard to let that one go. However I find it very irresponsible to claim the fries are GF all along and then to all the sudden list wheat on their website and then telling us it is added but then processed out???? That doesn't make sense and is more troubling to me.

I also figure if I have gone to all the trouble to replace my pots and pans, learn how to cook GF, replaced utensils, and every other modification I have had to make then why would I feed her something that had wheat in it?

The thing that they did too was to list something as GF only to find out later it might not be. They should have done their research before ever putting them on the GF list. As for testing now I am not sure I would believe a word from anyone in the Mcs company when you look at the fact they hid beef, how much fat their fries have, and now this. They have made it a practice to hide things and how do I know what they have said is true about the fries IF they ever do the testing?

This is not a problem that we as consumers have but it is Mc's problem and they have totally lost any trust I would have in them with their dishonest practices of past and I will not risk my daughter's health for a few fries. It is not going to be easy to travel or to grab a quick bite to eat but I am not willing to jepordize her health for it.

If I am going to work so hard at home to make her safe I am not going to let a company tell me that something is safe for her and then cause damage.

As for their statement that if you did not react to fries it should be okay now. Well what about the fact not everyone reacts to every little bit of gluten? My daughter appears to react to gluten after several exposures (which thanks to Mcs she may have had) so that is not a good guide for me.

[Guest guest]

Why do you suppose that natural flavours containing wheat/made using

wheat ingredients used by Mcs would be " safer " to eat than the

natural flavours containing wheat/made from wheat ingredients used in

other things that we are always told to avoid? I can't figure that

one out....anyone...?

C

[Guest guest]

Their statement about reaction was really an uneducated statement by a corporate spokesperson, and I agree with you. My son does not react at all, so the only measure we have is the annual tortuous blood test...argh...

Like I said, it's your perogative and I'm not criticizing you at all for your decision or your thoughts behind it. I'm just saying that for those of us who are not necessarily willing to drop them totally if they test and the test says otherwise, please write.

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:15 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

Bridget,

My only options in town for a meal out period were a Thai place and Mcs so it was hard to let that one go. However I find it very irresponsible to claim the fries are GF all along and then to all the sudden list wheat on their website and then telling us it is added but then processed out???? That doesn't make sense and is more troubling to me.

I also figure if I have gone to all the trouble to replace my pots and pans, learn how to cook GF, replaced utensils, and every other modification I have had to make then why would I feed her something that had wheat in it?

The thing that they did too was to list something as GF only to find out later it might not be. They should have done their research before ever putting them on the GF list. As for testing now I am not sure I would believe a word from anyone in the Mcs company when you look at the fact they hid beef, how much fat their fries have, and now this. They have made it a practice to hide things and how do I know what they have said is true about the fries IF they ever do the testing?

This is not a problem that we as consumers have but it is Mc's problem and they have totally lost any trust I would have in them with their dishonest practices of past and I will not risk my daughter's health for a few fries. It is not going to be easy to travel or to grab a quick bite to eat but I am not willing to jepordize her health for it.

If I am going to work so hard at home to make her safe I am not going to let a company tell me that something is safe for her and then cause damage.

As for their statement that if you did not react to fries it should be okay now. Well what about the fact not everyone reacts to every little bit of gluten? My daughter appears to react to gluten after several exposures (which thanks to Mcs she may have had) so that is not a good guide for me.

[Guest guest]

As the person in the post yesterday (?) said, it sounds like the whole distilled vinegar thing. It used to be thought we couldn't ahve that either, and then they discovered the process used DOES keep the offending proteins out. So, if the process of creating the fry oil is the same, then they are ok. Which is why the testing is so important. It's not the fries, it's the oil they fries are pre-processed in. Test the oil, test the fries, whatever...but test the darn things!!! ;-)

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of cyebelSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:18 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

Why do you suppose that natural flavours containing wheat/made using wheat ingredients used by Mcs would be "safer" to eat than the natural flavours containing wheat/made from wheat ingredients used in other things that we are always told to avoid? I can't figure that one out....anyone...?C

[Guest guest]

Oh, I completely agree...test the @#$) & #$#@ things!! I am curious

to know what happens that makes the natural flavours " safe " here,

that's all, because we're always supposed to be sooo careful about

them otherwise!

C

[Guest guest]

My only options in town for a meal out period were a Thai place and Mcs so it was hard to let that one go. However I find it very irresponsible to claim the fries are GF all along and then to all the sudden list wheat on their website and then telling us it is added but then processed out???? That doesn't make sense and is more troubling to me.

Wheat-free is not gluten-free.

Gluten-free is not wheat-free.

There is more to wheat then just the gluten peptide part of the plant.

Yes - probably 99.99875% of the products out there that contain wheat also contain gluten, but it is not a 100% correlation.

For example - from the Gluten Intolerance Group Quick Start Diet Guide:

"Distilled alcoholic beverages and vinegars are gluten-free. Distilled products do not contain any harmful gluten peptides. Research indicated that the gluten peptide is too large to carry over in the distillation process. This leaves the resultant liquid gluten-free"

So it is *possible* Mcs or their suppliers have a process that removes the gluten peptides from their product. Having said that, I'll wait for independent third party testing before I eating any more.

Best,

-patrick

[Guest guest]

The person is being quoted as knowing that the flavoring is like the distilled vinegar thing but Mcs does not know! As of yet have any of us who left messages or e-mails to find out what was going on received a response to it? They do not even understad. but it is also the flavoring on the fries according to their website and we have heard everything from the oil to the flavoring. They do not even have their story straight yet.

It is no wonder Mcs has a problem when they listed these fries as GF for years and just now are saying they are not GF. They should never have said they were until they had this research done. That is what they need to be taken to task over! If they do get sued it is totally their fault for not getting their research done before telling us their product was safe. I would much rather have been told all this time that it was not safe and then find out that all along it was safe and open a new door for us. I am sure that this discussion would not be happening and we would all be doing the GF dance if that were the case!

[Guest guest]

I thought there was no legal definition of what "gluten free" constituted? What are you going to sue them over?

--E RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

The person is being quoted as knowing that the flavoring is like the distilled vinegar thing but Mcs does not know! As of yet have any of us who left messages or e-mails to find out what was going on received a response to it? They do not even understad. but it is also the flavoring on the fries according to their website and we have heard everything from the oil to the flavoring. They do not even have their story straight yet.

It is no wonder Mcs has a problem when they listed these fries as GF for years and just now are saying they are not GF. They should never have said they were until they had this research done. That is what they need to be taken to task over! If they do get sued it is totally their fault for not getting their research done before telling us their product was safe. I would much rather have been told all this time that it was not safe and then find out that all along it was safe and open a new door for us. I am sure that this discussion would not be happening and we would all be doing the GF dance if that were the case!

[Guest guest]

It wasn't a person at Mc's saying that, it was someone who escapes me but is probably more knowledgable than any of us...and they did not say that WAS what the process was, but said that it could be what the process is and we'd have to find out more. The flavoring on the fries is the oil..it's the par-frying they do to the fries before they ship to the franchises, to then be further fried.

As I said before, if you don't want to eat them don't. No one is criticizing you for this decision. And in fact, I am not eating the (and I'm not even Celiac!) or feeding them to my son (the Celiac) until I find out for sure one way or the other.

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Marvin and BjorgeSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:38 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIES

The person is being quoted as knowing that the flavoring is like the distilled vinegar thing but Mcs does not know! As of yet have any of us who left messages or e-mails to find out what was going on received a response to it? They do not even understad. but it is also the flavoring on the fries according to their website and we have heard everything from the oil to the flavoring. They do not even have their story straight yet.

It is no wonder Mcs has a problem when they listed these fries as GF for years and just now are saying they are not GF. They should never have said they were until they had this research done. That is what they need to be taken to task over! If they do get sued it is totally their fault for not getting their research done before telling us their product was safe. I would much rather have been told all this time that it was not safe and then find out that all along it was safe and open a new door for us. I am sure that this discussion would not be happening and we would all be doing the GF dance if that were the case!

[Guest guest]

There may not be a legal definition of what "Gluten Free" means but when they told me they were free of wheat, rye, oats, and barley and then to find out they had wheat in them that is a different story. I speciffically asked about wheat thinking that was their biggest risk to my daughter (and later to myself) there. I did ask about all four grains when I called. They then sent me to the GF list.

Gluten Free makes me feel good and it taste good too!

-----Original Message-----From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ]On Behalf Of SlinkmanSent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:43 AMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: [bULK] RE: FAAN RESPONDS TO MCDONALDS' DISCLOSURE OF ALLERGENS IN FRENCH FRIESImportance: Low

I thought there was no legal definition of what "gluten free" constituted? What are you going to sue them over?

--E