Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 watts_pete@... wrote: > > > > But so was McGovern's daughter, in treatment over 60 times, > who froze > > to death as a result of treatment advice. > > Huh? Do tell! > > P. > Pete, You should be able to find a bit about it doing a search of the addict-l archives. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 It wouldn't matter if drugs were legal-Downey was arrested for trespassing and weapons possession and public intoxication-drugs are only the manifestation of the fact that he is a nihilistic narcissistic guy who brings his young kids with him on drug scoring runs. Mike. Re: cigarettes > > > > > > > > Is this the whole story, though? There are no huge marketing > > > > > > campaigns advocating the use of illegal drugs, and look how > > > > popular > > > > > > they are? > > > > > > > > > > It's called the D.A.R.E. program Joan. > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, it is possible that hysteria about drugs might > > > actually > > > > > exacerbate the problem. > > > > > > > > I think you're probably right. I'm around young people everyday, > > > > mostly 18-19 year olds. There seems to be a general consensus > > among > > > > many of them (and I'm not so ancient that I've forgotten what it > > > was > > > > like to feel the same way- still do in many ways) that such > > > programs > > > > might as well be called G.E.E.K. (I'll have to come up with > > > something > > > > clever for that to stand for). Most of them are smart enough to > > see > > > > the scare tactics and are turned off by what they see as a " goody- > > > > goody " attitude. They have heard so much about their baby boomer > > > > parents doing drugs (at least, the media has portrayed this to > > > them), > > > > they often feel as if these programs aren't being straight with > > > them > > > > (which is right). Sometimes that probably contributes to drugs > > > > seeming all that much more cool or intriguing. > > > > > > > > If I were a conspiracy theorist, I could come up with all sorts of > > > > notions about who else in government might have realized this as > > > well > > > > and what the real intent of the ads is, but I'll leave that to > > > > > > > > > > > I do have one conspiracy theory of my own. I find it very > > > interesting > > > > that, right around the time California's Proposition 36 is gaining > > > > national attention and growing support, a certain high profile > > > > individual is repeatedly followed, arrested for the simple act of > > > > using drugs, and hailed before the media and the rest of the world > > > as > > > > a victory for the " treatment not prison " battle. Downey, Jr > > - > > > > > > > Poster Boy for Proposition 36. Coincidence???? Hmmm. Yep, even God > > > > and the 12 steps have to advertise. > > > > > > By the way, I'm not suggesting that he or anyone else should go to > > > prison for drug use. Peele just wrote an article that I liked a lot > > > about how the treatment option is not much of an improvement, > > though, > > > and I certainly agree with that. > > > > > > > > Joan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Stanton Peele has something on his website also. Or did. > > > > > But so was McGovern's daughter, in treatment over 60 times, > > who froze > > > to death as a result of treatment advice. > > > > Huh? Do tell! > > > > P. > > > > Pete, > > You should be able to find a bit about it doing a search of the addict-l > archives. > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 when you fail to pee in cup on time, you are violating your probation agreement, and the sentence imposed is not for failing to pee in cup, but for original offense. As to the drug run thing, I am not sure of the details, but I read something in a newspaper where his wife or someone accused him of some kind of neglect having to do with a drug run.I don't remember the exact details,mainly because it is none of my business. Mike. Re: cigarettes > Actually, the weapons charge was a few years ago, and it wasn't what > he went to prison for (he failed to pee in a cup in a timely manner). > As far as I know, the people who owned the house he fell asleep in > did not press charges, so the tresspassing is out. And by all > accounts, he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary (to suggest > that he was under the influence) the last time he was arrested. I > believe the cops just assumed he was because he was standing in an > alley. And he never took his son on a drug buy. He is, in fact, being > punished (or treated- same thing) for being a high profile drug user. > Period. It is possible that he is a nihilistic narcissist as well, > but that seems beside the point to me. > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this the whole story, though? There are no huge > marketing > > > > > > > > campaigns advocating the use of illegal drugs, and look > how > > > > > > popular > > > > > > > > they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's called the D.A.R.E. program Joan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, it is possible that hysteria about drugs might > > > > > actually > > > > > > > exacerbate the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you're probably right. I'm around young people > everyday, > > > > > > mostly 18-19 year olds. There seems to be a general > consensus > > > > among > > > > > > many of them (and I'm not so ancient that I've forgotten > what it > > > > > was > > > > > > like to feel the same way- still do in many ways) that such > > > > > programs > > > > > > might as well be called G.E.E.K. (I'll have to come up with > > > > > something > > > > > > clever for that to stand for). Most of them are smart > enough to > > > > see > > > > > > the scare tactics and are turned off by what they see as > a " goody- > > > > > > goody " attitude. They have heard so much about their baby > boomer > > > > > > parents doing drugs (at least, the media has portrayed this > to > > > > > them), > > > > > > they often feel as if these programs aren't being straight > with > > > > > them > > > > > > (which is right). Sometimes that probably contributes to > drugs > > > > > > seeming all that much more cool or intriguing. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I were a conspiracy theorist, I could come up with all > sorts of > > > > > > notions about who else in government might have realized > this as > > > > > well > > > > > > and what the real intent of the ads is, but I'll leave that > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do have one conspiracy theory of my own. I find it very > > > > > interesting > > > > > > that, right around the time California's Proposition 36 is > gaining > > > > > > national attention and growing support, a certain high > profile > > > > > > individual is repeatedly followed, arrested for the simple > act of > > > > > > using drugs, and hailed before the media and the rest of > the world > > > > > as > > > > > > a victory for the " treatment not prison " battle. > Downey, Jr > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Poster Boy for Proposition 36. Coincidence???? Hmmm. Yep, > even God > > > > > > and the 12 steps have to advertise. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm not suggesting that he or anyone else should > go to > > > > > prison for drug use. Peele just wrote an article that I liked > a lot > > > > > about how the treatment option is not much of an improvement, > > > > though, > > > > > and I certainly agree with that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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