Re: repost - support needed

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HI

Thank you for responding, I am feeling very alone with this and it is a huge

responsibility.

Val says she is sure she read somewhere that mid-range FT3 in untreated

patients was low as it should be top of range.

When my FT3 was mid-range I felt just fine.

So where is your FT3 now? Is it still mid-range? My son does have some

symptoms, you had one with a mid-range FT3 so what part of your labs indicated

your hypoT when you got diagnosed?

Getting a doctor to

prescribe thyroid when his labs aren't even low would seem to be a

losing, stressful, and costly battle.

Well this is the issue I am trying to get clarification on. Val thinks she

may have read this info in Broda book and I am asking the list to let me

know if they have this book if they would mind taking a look to see if this

information is in there. Val thinks they are are low but not hugely so. My

son has written to Dr Peatfield with his labs and asked if Dr Peatfield thinks

a consultation is necessary with these labs considering both parents are

hypoT.

I think you should try a less

stressful approach first--vitamin supplements.

OK. He does take a multi vit/mineral, one gram Vit C a day but maybe he

should have more. What about selenium. Is it inevitable for a child to become

hypoT if both parents are do you know? And is the progressive as he seems to

have some symptoms since early childhood, the worst being really bad short-term

memory to the extent that his school assessed him as having a specific

learning difficulty because of this.

His father went undiagnosed for manyyears and suffered ongoing severe

depression. His grandfather, who I suspect also was hypoT, developed severe

mental

health issues, was hospitalised and died of heart disease at a young age so

my son is worried, he does not want to go the same routes.

Your son is typical for his age, like mine (who's 19 and in his

freshman year at college), with irregular sleeping hours. This could

lead to low grade adrenal fatigue, which would cause lower thyroid

function to compensate.

Yes, I see what you are saying. My son is going to come home this weekend so

at least i can supervise the taking of the four saliva samples for the ASI.

We had a long talk this evening and he is now committed to doing the basal

temps and setting his alarm so he is up at the same time every day.

It would be impossible to get mine to do a

saliva test, since he's not living at home where I could ensure all

samples were taken.

Yes Iunderstand. My son is having to borrow the equivalent of $140 to pay

for his saliva test so this is quite a motivating factor as you will appreciate

Anyone else there with ino on this please?

Thanks.

Mo

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undiagnosed hypoT should have FT3 at the top of the range?

When my FT3 was mid-range I felt just fine. Getting a doctor to

prescribe thyroid when his labs aren't even low would seem to be a

losing, stressful, and costly battle. I think you should try a less

stressful approach first--vitamin supplements.

Your son is typical for his age, like mine (who's 19 and in his

freshman year at college), with irregular sleeping hours. This could

lead to low grade adrenal fatigue, which would cause lower thyroid

function to compensate. It would be impossible to get mine to do a

saliva test, since he's not living at home where I could ensure all

samples were taken.

I just assumed my son DOES have adrenal fatigue, since he said he was

tired all the time, seemed depressed, his girlfriend had gone back to

her ex, was in an apartment for the first time in his life with three

other guys he'd never met, and was outright failing some of his

classes (he was a superstar in high school, so this was not

typical). I gave him Vit C, B5, magnesium, and a multi-vitamin and

told him to take it, he had nothing to lose. Also made him drop his

calculus II class he was failing to relieve the stress.

Well, saw him last week after about a month on the vitamins and he

looks better, his mood seems better, and his grades are improving.

He got an F on his first programming test, a C on the second, and an

A on the last! I'm just hoping he can pull his grades up so he

doesn't lose his scholarships!

Anyway, just some thoughts you might want to consider.

Barb

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> So where is your FT3 now? Is it still mid-range? My son does have

some

> symptoms, you had one with a mid-range FT3 so what part of your

labs indicated

> your hypoT when you got diagnosed?

Don't know current T3. Due to test next week. Have been working up

since May (from 1/2 grain to 1 3/4 grain), 1/4 grain at a time to

current old dosage, which was mid-range T3 where I felt fine. I can

easily get medication because I was given RAI.

In answer to your later question, no I would not have my son tested

YET. He has a full head of hair, full eyebrows, has been underweight

like your typical lanky teenager, so my layman's diagnosis is just

adrenal fatigue.

> OK. He does take a multi vit/mineral, one gram Vit C a day but

maybe he

> should have more. What about selenium.

C is good for adrenals. Selenium for converting T4 to T3. You could

also try tyrosine, which is the precursor for making thyroid

hormones. Ashwagandha is also supposed to increase production of

both T4 and T3, and help your cortisol levels, whether too high or

low.

Is it inevitable for a child to become

> hypoT if both parents are do you know?

Your family history definitely indicates potential thyroid

dysfunction for your son, and there is supposed to be a familial

link. My Mom has Hashi's, and my husband's mother was on Synthroid,

so my son could have a genetic predisposition also.

>

I guess if you do the saliva panel, at least you'll have more

definitive numbers to tell you whether or not he's truly out of

balance.

Good luck!

Barb

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I think if you Google you can find sources. Google various Keywords like

" FT3 top of range " or similar.

I did find some info here that might help you.

http://www.drlam.com/physician_support/hypothyroidism.cfm

Also, remember T3 is what the body actually uses, so that should be on the

high end. T4 is what the body converts to the bioavailable T3. If anything

impacts that conversion, you won't get the T3 your body needs. That is why

T3 readings are so important. TSH is pretty useless. It tells you there is

thyroid hormone circulating in the blood, but not what is happening at the

cellular level.

I had an argument about this with my doctor back in 2001 and finally fired

her (after I already fired my endocrinologist) and just started self

treating because I was so ill and my docs were useless.

Cheri

repost - support needed

So please if there is anyone on the list with Broda book, would you

help me out and see if he mentions what Val says, i.e. that an undiagnosed

hypoT should have FT3 at the top of the range? I REALLY need this

information in

order to justify asking my son to borrow the money (which he is now going

to

have to do) for an ASI and a consult with Dr Peatfield never mind the

lifelong expense of buying Armour should the good doctor recommend it. He

will not

ask his father for the money because he is so mean and likely to

refuse/humiliate him and Danny would have to find a way to convince him

that his tests

results were other than normal which I can find no evidence for.

If anyone has any info on this area then please help here out here.

Thanks.

.

[Guest guest]

also try tyrosine, which is the precursor for making thyroid

hormones. Ashwagandha is also supposed to increase production of

both T4 and T3, and help your cortisol levels, whether too high or

low.

Thanks Baba, the Tyrosine sounds like a good idea, I take something similar

myself DLPA but only sometimes as I am prone to high blood pressure.

And Ashwagandha looks like a winner also. Dr Peatfield who Danny is waiting

tohear from to see if he considers a consultation necessary, he is a

nutritionist now, used to be a doctor so that bodes well I hope for my son

perhaps

being put on vits only if that is all he needs right now.

As to the FT3 levels Baba, what I was trying to ask (not very clearly) was

was your FT3 when you were diagnosed?

You feel good on mid-range which I believe is a bit unusual and that is what

makes me wonder what the level was before you started meds.

Thanks for your help.

Mo

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Cheri, you are a Master Googler

I have been googling away for days and getting nowhere fast, I just kept

getting the word 'normal' when discussing FT3 but no-one I was reading was

saying just what normal actually was in terms of the range and place within it!

I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mo

ps and yes my son is only just turned 21

[Guest guest]

Medical research used to be a hobby of mine when I lost

my insurance and had no alternatives.

and it shows Cheri!

[Guest guest]

You are welcome, Mo. Medical research used to be a hobby of mine when I lost

my insurance and had no alternatives.

Re: repost - support needed

Thank you so much Cheri, you are a Master Googler

I have been googling away for days and getting nowhere fast, I just kept

getting the word 'normal' when discussing FT3 but no-one I was reading was

saying just what normal actually was in terms of the range and place

within it!

I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mo

ps and yes my son is only just turned 21

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