Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Hi Mona. The pleasure theory would be nothing without RR's "Structural Model of Addiction". The brain theory, you know! This theory does not distinguish between class or socioeconomic or intellectual level. Therefore I guess you'll have to refute the principle of pleasure explaining addiction. Bjørn P.S. Sorry about the ape metaphor.;-( Re: Re: ragge Mona - Dave's 'pleasure theory' not 'true' for YOU? But 'true' for the poor and minorities? Is this an offer to cut a deal? If you will reread my post, you will see that I said it may or may not be true to a certain extent, but that it cannot be always true. Only one exception disproves an 'always" claim, and I am an exception to the pleasure theory if it is held to always be true. (Unless the definition of "pleasure" encompasses the numbing of pain.) Whether I am the only such exception is highly unlikely, but I have no information about anyone other than myself, and certainly the racial or socioeconomic status of any other exceptions is a matter on which I lack sufficient information to proffer speculation. --Mona-- --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Mona, does Diener not get along with you? I notice some seemingly unfriendly language between you two sometimes, although I could possibly be wrong(I am once in a great while) . Mike. Re: Re: ragge Mona rejoins that the rich are different. THEY don't seek pleasure, but only relief from travail. She is willing to smash the poor, but the rich need to go to the Betty Ford Center. Is this some chronic illness which afflicts you? You will not find any post in which I say, or even imply, any such nonsense. That will not constrain you, I realize, as I am not the first person on the list to whom you have, in your wild-eyed zealotry, misattributed all manner of codswollop Having experienced the death of a child I feel a bond with other mothers who have endured the same unbearable pain that transcends any cultural, racial or socioeconomic boundaries. Any of these other moms who also began abusing chemicals in response to that event and the unfortunate sequelae that also sometimes must be borne, would also not be seeking pleasure so much as they were attempting to extinguish acute and unremitting pain. Only an ignoramus could think race or class had anything significant to do with that. --Mona-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 I don't know what you mean, but the cussing I mentioned because the subject came up, and I had something to share on it('Thanks for sharing, Mike-Keep coming back! " ). Mike. Re: Re: ragge > > Mona, does Diener not get along with you? I notice some seemingly > unfriendly language between you two sometimes, although I could possibly be > wrong(I am once in a great while) . Mike. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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