Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

[Guest guest]

I would start with some labs to find out if you have high RT3. You would

need n RT3 and a Free T3 to knwo the ratio to see how that is. Also

graph your temps for a week to see where thye are. What is your BP?

High pulse can be from low aldosterone. Are you taking sea salt?

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[Guest guest]

Val- I'm getting a bunch of bloodwork done on Monday, including

alsosterone again (it was low before). I do sea salt. My pulse is not

high right now, since coming off of Armour. What do you think about

my skin issues being a result of high cortisol?

Also, could you explain why you think RT3 could be an issue? Is this

related to why I felt so good for a month?

Thankyou so much!

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wrote:

>

> I would start with some labs to find out if you have high RT3. You

would

> need n RT3 and a Free T3 to knwo the ratio to see how that is. Also

> graph your temps for a week to see where thye are. What is your

BP?

> High pulse can be from low aldosterone. Are you taking sea salt?

>

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

The very fact you felt better stopping Armoru tells me you may have high

RT3. The skin could be the DHEA or high cortisol.

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[Guest guest]

Could I have just been taking too much Armour? How would too much RT3

look different than too much Armour?

I haven't been on DHEA that long, so my skin trouble started before

that.

Thanks for walking me through this. There is so much I just don't

understand.

-

>

> The very fact you felt better stopping Armoru tells me you may have

high

> RT3. The skin could be the DHEA or high cortisol.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>>Could I have just been taking too much Armour? How would too much RT3

look different than too much Armour?<<

Did you ever feel optimized at a lower dose? One of the hallmark symptoms of

high RT3 is inabilty to optimize at any dose of Armour.

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[Guest guest]

Low DHEA can cause the skin issues you describe. If you supplement to

restore cortisol and do not increase DHEA proportionately, that imbalance

can worsen low DHEA symptoms from all that I am reading. I have the same

skin issues and am increasing my DHEA as I increase my cortisol. I had the

skin issues before taking either cortisol or DHEA supplementation, and am

seeing if this will help my issues. Mine hasn't gotten worse, that's for

sure. Too early to say if it will get better and I think I am still on too

low a dose of DHEA. (20 mg)

Googling " DHEA WOUND HEALING " I found numerous articles on studies that DHEA

increased wound healing in mice:(scroll to

bottom)http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v125/n5/full/5603592a.html

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/518427_6

Cheri

Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

Could I have just been taking too much Armour? How would too much RT3

look different than too much Armour?

I haven't been on DHEA that long, so my skin trouble started before

that.

Thanks for walking me through this. There is so much I just don't

understand.

-

.

[Guest guest]

My acne was really bad from super low adrenals. I don't think it is high

cortisol in your case, I think you haven't stabilized your adrenals yet.

15 mg DHEA is too low in my opinion if your test results should really low

DHEA. DHEA can cause acne, but at your low dose I think it is from not

having your adrenals stable which my acne and wound healing was the worst

when my adrenals were at their worst (before I took adrenal glandulars). I

am not sure the role aldosterone plays other than the electrolyte balance

since I deal with that too and am still trying to figure out how to up mine.

Cheri

Could my Cortisol be too high?

Hi- I'm having some really weird symptoms and am wondering if anyone

can help me figure this out. I think my cortisol may be too high.

First off, I've been on HC since march, stayed at 20 mg for about a

month, but it was clear right away that I needed more. I've been on

35mg since may, and have gained 25-30 lbs, have had terrible acne,

and am now noticing that my skin is not healing the way it used to

and is scarring more (very obviously so). My bp is lowish- but I'm

probably dealing with some aldosterone issues as well.

Another odd, but important thing going on involves my thyroid. When I

first went on HC, I had been on Armour for several months but could

not get above 2.5 gr. When first getting to 20mg HC and adding back 2

gr Armour, my hair stopped falling out immediately and other syptoms

improved a bit. I kept raising due to these other symptoms (esp

pain), but again, couldn't get above 2.5 mg armour. Also, thyroid

symptoms were worsening.

So, mid August, with my thyroid syptoms pretty bad and my pulse

really high, I decided to stop Armour for a little while just to see

what would happen. Well, wouldn't you know that after a week my hair

stops falling out, my pain is gone, the weird lumps on my head are

gone (didn't even know those were thyroid related), and I was feeling

pretty good for being pretty out of shape. This lasted for about a

month. Then mid september multiple big stresses hit and things start

to go down hill. Now, I'm feeling worse than ever, my hair is falling

out as much as ever, pain, exaustion is back etc.

I'm unsure how to iterpret everything that's happening. On the one

hand, my skin symptoms really say high cortisol. But what is going on

with my thyroid? Why did I feel perfect for a month only to crash?

What do I do now?

Thanks in advance for any help,

(formerly cilantro from old board)

ps- for what its worth I'm also on 15 mg DHEA (it was really low)

.

[Guest guest]

Cheri,

your response to 's question about her acne answered my

question. When I began my T3 therapy, I got a REALLY bad flare up of

acne and I couldn't figure out why...

Now I'm begging to get this adrenal picture.

Tasia

[Guest guest]

Well....I'm not sure lol. I know that my hair stopped falling out at 2

grains, but that my temps were still low, but when I increased, my

hair started falling out again and my pulse went up. The thing is, I

was still adjusting to my HC at that time (I had awful low blood

pressure, high blood sugar swings)and had a hard time sorting out all

my symptoms.

I am feeling so awful right now, that I'm thinking I need to add

Armour back, at least for now until I get tested for RT3 (which won't

be for awhile-until my net appt).

If I were to start Armour again, can I go straight back to 2 gr, since

I at least know that was somewhere around the right amount? Or do I

need to start back at the beginning and slowly work up?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>>Well....I'm not sure lol. I know that my hair stopped falling out at 2

grains, but that my temps were still low, <<

NOT Optimal

>>but when I increased, my

hair started falling out again and my pulse went up.<<

ADRENAL STRESS

>> The thing is, I

was still adjusting to my HC at that time (I had awful low blood

pressure, high blood sugar swings)and had a hard time sorting out all

my symptoms.<<

ADRENALS is what you need to correct! Cortiwol levels MUST be right for thyroid

to work, ANY thyroid. Switchign thyroid meds is not going to correct your

problem, just prolong your getting well. I would lower the thyroid and get the

cortisl RIGHT then continue to try ot optimize thyroid.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your thoughts on this Cheri. You know, when I first went

on HC, the mild acne that I had been experiencing previously cleared

up right away, it was great! It was only upon beginning those higher

doses that this more severe acne came on. Also, what concerns me even

more is this tendency for my skin to heal so poorly, which is also a

newer development. My skin has always healed well with little

scarring, so this has really got me wondering.

Also, I was feeling sooo good in August, and this was even after

returning from a vacation where we did a lot of hiking (and I'm pretty

out of shape)! I remember thinking, " I bet my adrenals are healing! "

I don't know what to think about the DHEA. I definately improved alot

since beginning to take it (I started the end of July), but I do think

I may be noticing more fuzz lol. Its hard to tell b/c I'm blond and I

never took too much notice of my hairiness before starting this

adventure lol. I suppose I could try a small increase and see what

happens.

Thanks,

>

> My acne was really bad from super low adrenals. I don't think it is high

> cortisol in your case, I think you haven't stabilized your adrenals yet.

>

> 15 mg DHEA is too low in my opinion if your test results should

really low

> DHEA. DHEA can cause acne, but at your low dose I think it is from not

> having your adrenals stable which my acne and wound healing was the

worst

> when my adrenals were at their worst (before I took adrenal

glandulars). I

> am not sure the role aldosterone plays other than the electrolyte

balance

> since I deal with that too and am still trying to figure out how to

up mine.

>

> Cheri

>

> Could my Cortisol be too high?

>

>

> Hi- I'm having some really weird symptoms and am wondering if anyone

> can help me figure this out. I think my cortisol may be too high.

>

> First off, I've been on HC since march, stayed at 20 mg for about a

> month, but it was clear right away that I needed more. I've been on

> 35mg since may, and have gained 25-30 lbs, have had terrible acne,

> and am now noticing that my skin is not healing the way it used to

> and is scarring more (very obviously so). My bp is lowish- but I'm

> probably dealing with some aldosterone issues as well.

>

> Another odd, but important thing going on involves my thyroid. When I

> first went on HC, I had been on Armour for several months but could

> not get above 2.5 gr. When first getting to 20mg HC and adding back 2

> gr Armour, my hair stopped falling out immediately and other syptoms

> improved a bit. I kept raising due to these other symptoms (esp

> pain), but again, couldn't get above 2.5 mg armour. Also, thyroid

> symptoms were worsening.

>

> So, mid August, with my thyroid syptoms pretty bad and my pulse

> really high, I decided to stop Armour for a little while just to see

> what would happen. Well, wouldn't you know that after a week my hair

> stops falling out, my pain is gone, the weird lumps on my head are

> gone (didn't even know those were thyroid related), and I was feeling

> pretty good for being pretty out of shape. This lasted for about a

> month. Then mid september multiple big stresses hit and things start

> to go down hill. Now, I'm feeling worse than ever, my hair is falling

> out as much as ever, pain, exaustion is back etc.

>

> I'm unsure how to iterpret everything that's happening. On the one

> hand, my skin symptoms really say high cortisol. But what is going on

> with my thyroid? Why did I feel perfect for a month only to crash?

> What do I do now?

>

> Thanks in advance for any help,

> (formerly cilantro from old board)

>

> ps- for what its worth I'm also on 15 mg DHEA (it was really low)

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Val- Maybe I wasn't clear before. Right now (since mid August), I am

on no thyroid at all. I am in alot of pain, am exausted, and since

stopping Armour my periods have gone haywire- 2 weeks late and lasting

only a couple of days.

I feel like my cortisol levels must be fine now b/c my blood pressure

doesn't drop really low any more, my sugar levels are fine, I don't

get shakey or anything between doses. Those symptoms I was describing

in my last post were happening back in the spring. I was at 2 gr

armour back in the spring. I started increasing both Armour and HC

back in the spring and that is when my hair started falling out again,

when I started to get weird lumps on my head, pain, high pulse etc.

But I had only been on HC for a short time- so I hadn't adjusted at

all really.

In August, I felt really good adrenal wise, then in September, I got

severe poison ivy, difficult houseguests lol, a cold (which I never

actually got full blown-thanks to vit c) and pms which lasted 3 weeks

because my period was so late. That is when I crashed.

Right now I'm taking 35mg HC and am having spymptoms of what seems

like high cortisol (especially the poor healing and scarring which is

very unusual for me).

I'm so confused! Thank you for your help,

>

> >>Well....I'm not sure lol. I know that my hair stopped falling out at 2

> grains, but that my temps were still low, <<

>

> NOT Optimal

>

> >>but when I increased, my

> hair started falling out again and my pulse went up.<<

>

> ADRENAL STRESS

>

> >> The thing is, I

> was still adjusting to my HC at that time (I had awful low blood

> pressure, high blood sugar swings)and had a hard time sorting out all

> my symptoms.<<

>

> ADRENALS is what you need to correct! Cortiwol levels MUST be right

for thyroid to work, ANY thyroid. Switchign thyroid meds is not going

to correct your problem, just prolong your getting well. I would lower

the thyroid and get the cortisl RIGHT then continue to try ot optimize

thyroid.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>Right now I'm taking 35mg HC and am having spymptoms of what seems

like high cortisol (especially the poor healing and scarring which is

very unusual for me). <<

OK recap, on NO thyroid. Have you graphed your temps? Are they stable? Why did

you not restart thyroid?

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[Guest guest]

I haven't graphed my temps in awhile- I guess I need to do that over

the next couple of days! I didn't restart Armour b/c I was confused. I

was thinking, " Why did I feel so great on *no* Armour for a month?

Maybe I don't really need Armour? " I was also thinking that it was my

long impending period that was upping my need for Armour again, and

that I would recover after it was over. But its been over for several

days now and I'm still feeling very hypo.

It will be interesting to see what my free's are when I do labs on monday.

Thanks,

>

> >>Right now I'm taking 35mg HC and am having spymptoms of what seems

> like high cortisol (especially the poor healing and scarring which is

> very unusual for me). <<

>

> OK recap, on NO thyroid. Have you graphed your temps? Are they

stable? Why did you not restart thyroid?

>

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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>

[Guest guest]

,

It is hard for me to figure out why you were doing so well and now in this

slump. Do you think the vacation might have taken more out of your adrenals

than you anticipated? Have you had your labs done since coming back?

The wound healing thing for me is an off and on thing. I first noticed it in

late 2002 and then it got better, then worse, better, and now worse again. I

mean where a small scratch would take a year to heal. And yes, I am all

scarred up especially the left side of my face from acne which I never had

in my youth. I used to have great skin and now I look like a terror. I just

figure once I get the adrenals under control I will have some laser

treatments. I have a black and blue mark on my leg approaching 6 months

that has not healed. So I definitely can relate.

I know adrenals are part of the equation. I suspect there is something else

that is part of it too and am not sure. I am seeing if adding more iodine

and selenium will help since I have been reading both are good for skin

healing. Also, amino acids and the collagen connection are important. I know

that I am amino acid deficient and that my body has a hard time building

collagen, all needed for proper healing. A good food for complete amino

acids and protein is Quinoa. You can eat it like rice, it has a slight nutty

flavor and it is gluten free.

You can try upping DHEA to 20 mg and see if you have more side effects and

if you do, cut down again. It seems too low to cause facial hair, but

everyone is different so I cannot be sure. Also, have you had your

testosterone checked recently? Taking progesterone with DHEA helps too

(depending on your labs). So far with me, I am on 20 mg DHEA with no

negative side effects but I also do progesterone cream and DIM to lower my

estrogen so it seems to help balance. I have noticed the wound healing is

not worse since starting the regime but I think it is too early to see if it

is better. When that black and blue mark disappears, then I will know I made

progress, lol.

Cheri

Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

Thank you for your thoughts on this Cheri. You know, when I first went

on HC, the mild acne that I had been experiencing previously cleared

up right away, it was great! It was only upon beginning those higher

doses that this more severe acne came on. Also, what concerns me even

more is this tendency for my skin to heal so poorly, which is also a

newer development. My skin has always healed well with little

scarring, so this has really got me wondering.

Also, I was feeling sooo good in August, and this was even after

returning from a vacation where we did a lot of hiking (and I'm pretty

out of shape)! I remember thinking, " I bet my adrenals are healing! "

I don't know what to think about the DHEA. I definately improved alot

since beginning to take it (I started the end of July), but I do think

I may be noticing more fuzz lol. Its hard to tell b/c I'm blond and I

never took too much notice of my hairiness before starting this

adventure lol. I suppose I could try a small increase and see what

happens.

Thanks,

.

[Guest guest]

,

Remember the skin issues are symptoms of not just high cortisol but too low

too. My labs were way too low and I suffer from them. Also, just because you

felt good in August doesn't mean your adrenals were optimized for the long

run. September events seemed to be too much of a strain on your adrenals.

I currently don't have those other symptoms you describe (like shakiness)

now either and I am still not optimized and at stage 7.

I think Val is right. It's still your adrenals. Maybe get another saliva

test and see where you are?

Cheri

Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

In August, I felt really good adrenal wise, then in September, I got

severe poison ivy, difficult houseguests lol, a cold (which I never

actually got full blown-thanks to vit c) and pms which lasted 3 weeks

because my period was so late. That is when I crashed.

Right now I'm taking 35mg HC and am having spymptoms of what seems

like high cortisol (especially the poor healing and scarring which is

very unusual for me).

I'm so confused! Thank you for your help,

.

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to mention something that happened to me regarding my

skin. Last August 2006, I fell forward badly and " rug burned " my

knee. Got a large red/purplish cirle type scar from it. It formed

a semi scab and after a few days the scab was gone. Around 6 months

later my dh commented about how the purple circle was still there.

I bought a scar cream and started applying it to no avail, and

dumped the cream. This past August I made the comment to my

dh, " well, a year ago today I fell, and my scar's still here, guess

it will never go away " . And I proceeded to forget about it.

Well today, reading these posts about acne and scars, reminded me of

my knee scar. So after reading the posts, I lifted my pant and took

a look at my knee. NO SCAR!! GONE!!! I was thrilled!!!

The only thing different is that since Sept to now, I think I have

been optimized on T3 (87.5 mcg) and 25 mg HC. My temps have been

stable, I have more energy, depression lifted (since day one). Only

thing t hat has me frustrated is the weight.

Anyway, I thought that was freaky and wanted to share it with you

guys. I really thought that scar would never go away!

Naffy

>

> ,

> It is hard for me to figure out why you were doing so well and now

in this

> slump. Do you think the vacation might have taken more out of your

adrenals

> than you anticipated? Have you had your labs done since coming

back?

>

> The wound healing thing for me is an off and on thing. I first

noticed it in

> late 2002 and then it got better, then worse, better, and now

worse again. I

> mean where a small scratch would take a year to heal. And yes, I

am all

> scarred up especially the left side of my face from acne which I

never had

> in my youth. I used to have great skin and now I look like a

terror. I just

> figure once I get the adrenals under control I will have some laser

> treatments. I have a black and blue mark on my leg approaching 6

months

> that has not healed. So I definitely can relate.

>

> I know adrenals are part of the equation. I suspect there is

something else

> that is part of it too and am not sure. I am seeing if adding more

iodine

> and selenium will help since I have been reading both are good for

skin

> healing. Also, amino acids and the collagen connection are

important. I know

> that I am amino acid deficient and that my body has a hard time

building

> collagen, all needed for proper healing. A good food for complete

amino

> acids and protein is Quinoa. You can eat it like rice, it has a

slight nutty

> flavor and it is gluten free.

>

> You can try upping DHEA to 20 mg and see if you have more side

effects and

> if you do, cut down again. It seems too low to cause facial hair,

but

> everyone is different so I cannot be sure. Also, have you had your

> testosterone checked recently? Taking progesterone with DHEA helps

too

> (depending on your labs). So far with me, I am on 20 mg DHEA with

no

> negative side effects but I also do progesterone cream and DIM to

lower my

> estrogen so it seems to help balance. I have noticed the wound

healing is

> not worse since starting the regime but I think it is too early to

see if it

> is better. When that black and blue mark disappears, then I will

know I made

> progress, lol.

>

> Cheri

>

>

> Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

>

>

> Thank you for your thoughts on this Cheri. You know, when I

first went

> on HC, the mild acne that I had been experiencing previously

cleared

> up right away, it was great! It was only upon beginning those

higher

> doses that this more severe acne came on. Also, what concerns me

even

> more is this tendency for my skin to heal so poorly, which is

also a

> newer development. My skin has always healed well with little

> scarring, so this has really got me wondering.

>

> Also, I was feeling sooo good in August, and this was even after

> returning from a vacation where we did a lot of hiking (and I'm

pretty

> out of shape)! I remember thinking, " I bet my adrenals are

healing! "

>

> I don't know what to think about the DHEA. I definately improved

alot

> since beginning to take it (I started the end of July), but I do

think

> I may be noticing more fuzz lol. Its hard to tell b/c I'm blond

and I

> never took too much notice of my hairiness before starting this

> adventure lol. I suppose I could try a small increase and see

what

> happens.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, but remember that my skin issues worsened *after* increasing to

35mg HC.

I agree that september just did me in....sigh.

Why is september always like that?????

>

> ,

> Remember the skin issues are symptoms of not just high cortisol but

too low

> too. My labs were way too low and I suffer from them. Also, just

because you

> felt good in August doesn't mean your adrenals were optimized for

the long

> run. September events seemed to be too much of a strain on your

adrenals.

>

> I currently don't have those other symptoms you describe (like

shakiness)

> now either and I am still not optimized and at stage 7.

>

> I think Val is right. It's still your adrenals. Maybe get another

saliva

> test and see where you are?

>

> Cheri

> Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

>

>

>

>

> In August, I felt really good adrenal wise, then in September, I

got

> severe poison ivy, difficult houseguests lol, a cold (which I

never

> actually got full blown-thanks to vit c) and pms which lasted 3

weeks

> because my period was so late. That is when I crashed.

>

> Right now I'm taking 35mg HC and am having spymptoms of what seems

> like high cortisol (especially the poor healing and scarring

which is

> very unusual for me).

>

> I'm so confused! Thank you for your help,

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Naffy, for the encouragement. The scars left from my recent

bout with poison ivy are huge, awful, and so ugly. Hopefully they

will clear someday too.

> >

> > ,

> > It is hard for me to figure out why you were doing so well and

now

> in this

> > slump. Do you think the vacation might have taken more out of

your

> adrenals

> > than you anticipated? Have you had your labs done since coming

> back?

> >

> > The wound healing thing for me is an off and on thing. I first

> noticed it in

> > late 2002 and then it got better, then worse, better, and now

> worse again. I

> > mean where a small scratch would take a year to heal. And yes, I

> am all

> > scarred up especially the left side of my face from acne which I

> never had

> > in my youth. I used to have great skin and now I look like a

> terror. I just

> > figure once I get the adrenals under control I will have some

laser

> > treatments. I have a black and blue mark on my leg approaching 6

> months

> > that has not healed. So I definitely can relate.

> >

> > I know adrenals are part of the equation. I suspect there is

> something else

> > that is part of it too and am not sure. I am seeing if adding

more

> iodine

> > and selenium will help since I have been reading both are good

for

> skin

> > healing. Also, amino acids and the collagen connection are

> important. I know

> > that I am amino acid deficient and that my body has a hard time

> building

> > collagen, all needed for proper healing. A good food for complete

> amino

> > acids and protein is Quinoa. You can eat it like rice, it has a

> slight nutty

> > flavor and it is gluten free.

> >

> > You can try upping DHEA to 20 mg and see if you have more side

> effects and

> > if you do, cut down again. It seems too low to cause facial hair,

> but

> > everyone is different so I cannot be sure. Also, have you had your

> > testosterone checked recently? Taking progesterone with DHEA

helps

> too

> > (depending on your labs). So far with me, I am on 20 mg DHEA with

> no

> > negative side effects but I also do progesterone cream and DIM to

> lower my

> > estrogen so it seems to help balance. I have noticed the wound

> healing is

> > not worse since starting the regime but I think it is too early

to

> see if it

> > is better. When that black and blue mark disappears, then I will

> know I made

> > progress, lol.

> >

> > Cheri

> >

> >

> > Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your thoughts on this Cheri. You know, when I

> first went

> > on HC, the mild acne that I had been experiencing previously

> cleared

> > up right away, it was great! It was only upon beginning those

> higher

> > doses that this more severe acne came on. Also, what concerns

me

> even

> > more is this tendency for my skin to heal so poorly, which is

> also a

> > newer development. My skin has always healed well with little

> > scarring, so this has really got me wondering.

> >

> > Also, I was feeling sooo good in August, and this was even after

> > returning from a vacation where we did a lot of hiking (and I'm

> pretty

> > out of shape)! I remember thinking, " I bet my adrenals are

> healing! "

> >

> > I don't know what to think about the DHEA. I definately

improved

> alot

> > since beginning to take it (I started the end of July), but I

do

> think

> > I may be noticing more fuzz lol. Its hard to tell b/c I'm blond

> and I

> > never took too much notice of my hairiness before starting this

> > adventure lol. I suppose I could try a small increase and see

> what

> > happens.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I haven't had any labs done since the beginning of summer, but will

be going in for more on Monday (not adrenals though).

When I did all that hiking in July, I knew I shouldn't, but we were

in Colorado for goodness sakes, and my kids were so excited. Thats

why I was so surprised to be feeling so great in August. But mind

you, I didn't feel great until stopping all armour.

One thing that I;ve been thinking a little bit about is that in Dr

Lowe's book, he states that it is impossible to optimize the thyroid

w/o excersize. Even if you have to start with just raising your hands

in the air 3x a day, you must excersize to heal the metabolism. I

have been really out of shape and wonder if that hiking just jump

started something in my body. I dunno.

-

>

> ,

> It is hard for me to figure out why you were doing so well and now

in this

> slump. Do you think the vacation might have taken more out of your

adrenals

> than you anticipated? Have you had your labs done since coming back?

>

> The wound healing thing for me is an off and on thing. I first

noticed it in

> late 2002 and then it got better, then worse, better, and now worse

again. I

> mean where a small scratch would take a year to heal. And yes, I am

all

> scarred up especially the left side of my face from acne which I

never had

> in my youth. I used to have great skin and now I look like a

terror. I just

> figure once I get the adrenals under control I will have some laser

> treatments. I have a black and blue mark on my leg approaching 6

months

> that has not healed. So I definitely can relate.

>

> I know adrenals are part of the equation. I suspect there is

something else

> that is part of it too and am not sure. I am seeing if adding more

iodine

> and selenium will help since I have been reading both are good for

skin

> healing. Also, amino acids and the collagen connection are

important. I know

> that I am amino acid deficient and that my body has a hard time

building

> collagen, all needed for proper healing. A good food for complete

amino

> acids and protein is Quinoa. You can eat it like rice, it has a

slight nutty

> flavor and it is gluten free.

>

> You can try upping DHEA to 20 mg and see if you have more side

effects and

> if you do, cut down again. It seems too low to cause facial hair,

but

> everyone is different so I cannot be sure. Also, have you had your

> testosterone checked recently? Taking progesterone with DHEA helps

too

> (depending on your labs). So far with me, I am on 20 mg DHEA with no

> negative side effects but I also do progesterone cream and DIM to

lower my

> estrogen so it seems to help balance. I have noticed the wound

healing is

> not worse since starting the regime but I think it is too early to

see if it

> is better. When that black and blue mark disappears, then I will

know I made

> progress, lol.

>

> Cheri

>

>

> Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

>

>

> Thank you for your thoughts on this Cheri. You know, when I first

went

> on HC, the mild acne that I had been experiencing previously

cleared

> up right away, it was great! It was only upon beginning those

higher

> doses that this more severe acne came on. Also, what concerns me

even

> more is this tendency for my skin to heal so poorly, which is

also a

> newer development. My skin has always healed well with little

> scarring, so this has really got me wondering.

>

> Also, I was feeling sooo good in August, and this was even after

> returning from a vacation where we did a lot of hiking (and I'm

pretty

> out of shape)! I remember thinking, " I bet my adrenals are

healing! "

>

> I don't know what to think about the DHEA. I definately improved

alot

> since beginning to take it (I started the end of July), but I do

think

> I may be noticing more fuzz lol. Its hard to tell b/c I'm blond

and I

> never took too much notice of my hairiness before starting this

> adventure lol. I suppose I could try a small increase and see what

> happens.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>I agree that september just did me in....sigh.

Why is september always like that?????<,

One thing tht many people do not consider is seaasonal changes in body needs.

September is MOLD season and allergies are at a peak! Allergies are directly

related to cortiosl. To handle allergens your body needs more cortils than

normal. I see this in the dogs I groom that has made me MUCH more aware of

seasonal allergens. In Septemner of every year I switch my usual Citrus shamppoo

out for an ALOE one which helps sooth the allergies pets get andI am sure

hypoadrenal folks ned a tab more cortiosl this time of year too.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In our area (kansas city) not just just the mold peaks but Ragweed. Both mold

and ragweed was extremely high here this year. I hate Sept & Oct here for

that reason. I find by the end of October I am begging for a good freeze to

come along. I always end up with really nasty sinus infections.

Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

>>I agree that september just did me in....sigh.

Why is september always like that?????<,

One thing tht many people do not consider is seaasonal changes in body needs.

September is MOLD season and allergies are at a peak! Allergies are directly

related to cortiosl. To handle allergens your body needs more cortils than

normal. I see this in the dogs I groom that has made me MUCH more aware of

seasonal allergens. In Septemner of every year I switch my usual Citrus shamppoo

out for an ALOE one which helps sooth the allergies pets get andI am sure

hypoadrenal folks ned a tab more cortiosl this time of year too.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>One thing that I;ve been thinking a little bit about is that in Dr

Lowe's book, he states that it is impossible to optimize the thyroid

w/o excersize.<<

Impossible? Are you sure that's the word he used? I didn't know this. I'm

trying to rest until optimized but maybe I should do something to get the blood

flowing.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Depends on what is meant by " exercise " . Just going up and down my stairs to

the car each day is exercise, lol. I know you are not supposed to do any

strenuous exercise during adrenal fatigue but things like walking are

recommended. Cheri

Re: Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

>>One thing that I;ve been thinking a little bit about is that in Dr

Lowe's book, he states that it is impossible to optimize the thyroid

w/o excersize.<<

Impossible? Are you sure that's the word he used? I didn't know this. I'm

trying to rest until optimized but maybe I should do something to get the

blood flowing.

.

[Guest guest]

Yes- One should definately not overdue it! That is why he said to

start with whatever you can do- even if that is only raising your

arms above your head a few times a day (that would be an extreme

example of course).

>

> Depends on what is meant by " exercise " . Just going up and down my

stairs to

> the car each day is exercise, lol. I know you are not supposed to

do any

> strenuous exercise during adrenal fatigue but things like walking

are

> recommended. Cheri

> Re: Re: Could my Cortisol be too high?

>

>

> >>One thing that I;ve been thinking a little bit about is that in

Dr

> Lowe's book, he states that it is impossible to optimize the

thyroid

> w/o excersize.<<

>

> Impossible? Are you sure that's the word he used? I didn't know

this. I'm

> trying to rest until optimized but maybe I should do something to

get the

> blood flowing.

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>