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Hi Folks,

Went to see Clapton concert last night.

I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

Wondering if he's now a stepper?

He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

Significance? Anyone know?

Curious,

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At 11:50 PM 6/5/01 -0000, sue styd wrote:

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> Hi Folks,

>

> Went to see Clapton concert last night.

>

> I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> Wondering if he's now a stepper?

Yes, a couple of years ago he put up a large portion of his

guitar collection for auction at one of the big auction houses,

with the proceeds going to this treatment center. There should

still be news stories on the net about it. We discussed this here

at the time, I seem to recall the news stories having quotes by

Clapton that had stepper slogans and dogma.

> He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> Significance? Anyone know?

I have no clue, but it sure seems significant. There's likely

an online fanclub that collectively knows everything there is to

be known about him.

>

> Curious,

>

> Sue

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> Hi Folks,

>

> Went to see Clapton concert last night.

>

> I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> Wondering if he's now a stepper?

> He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> Significance? Anyone know?

I have seen Clapton at an AA meeting here in London. I wonder

does he still get royalities for his song " She's alright, she's

alright, she;s alright.... cocaine. " ?

P.

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> I have seen Clapton at an AA meeting here in London. I wonder

> does he still get royalities for his song " She's alright, she's

> alright, she;s alright.... cocaine. " ?

>

Pete,

I think that is a J.J. Cale song.

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At 11:50 PM 6/5/01 +0000, you wrote:

> Hi Folks,

>

> Went to see Clapton concert last night.

Hope it rocked!

> I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> Wondering if he's now a stepper?

I remember reading that Clapton was in a treatment center

at one point. I assumed it was 12-step. Dunno what he's

doing now, though.

It'd be pretty cool if he broke the faith and set up a non-12-step

center. Unfortunately it seems unlikely.

> He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> Significance? Anyone know?

Heh. A bad-boy pose for the stage?

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> > I have seen Clapton at an AA meeting here in London. I

wonder

> > does he still get royalities for his song " She's alright, she's

> > alright, she;s alright.... cocaine. " ?

> I think that is a J.J. Cale song.

Ok. But clapton did a cover version, it's on his greatest Hits album.

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Pete,

He did play " Cocaine " and the crowd was wildly cheering.

Certainly alot of coke had been snorted before the show

by some of the crowd. And the song sure did seem to put a

stamp of approval on that.

Wonder how this fits into his XA " program? "

Sue

>From: watts_pete@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re:Any Clapton fans?

>Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:42:37 -0000

>

>

> >

> > Hi Folks,

> >

> > Went to see Clapton concert last night.

> >

> > I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> > program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> > Wondering if he's now a stepper?

> > He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> > Significance? Anyone know?

>

>I have seen Clapton at an AA meeting here in London. I wonder

>does he still get royalities for his song " She's alright, she's

>alright, she;s alright.... cocaine. " ?

>

>P.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> At 11:50 PM 6/5/01 +0000, you wrote:

>

> > Hi Folks,

> >

> > Went to see Clapton concert last night.

>

> Hope it rocked!

>

>

> > I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> > program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> > Wondering if he's now a stepper?

>

> I remember reading that Clapton was in a treatment center

> at one point. I assumed it was 12-step. Dunno what he's

> doing now, though.

>

> It'd be pretty cool if he broke the faith and set up a non-12-step

> center. Unfortunately it seems unlikely.

***More than unlikely :-) Here's the url for his center, which is called

(what else) " Crossroads " : http://crossroadsantigua.org/main/home.html The

description of the treatment program mentions its " 12-step foundation. "

-- wally

>

>

> > He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> > Significance? Anyone know?

>

> Heh. A bad-boy pose for the stage?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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What? What? Oh, WOW!

So Clapton has a nifty rehab now...

I've just clicked on the link. Hey hey hey, this place looks like a fancy

resort! Lookit

that pretty building, with the fine landscaping and pretty flowers, swimming

pools and

palm trees...and what's this? Hey, I can get exercise therapy, massage therapy,

yoga....and hey! *Beach meetings*, out there on the warm sand, with cool

breezes blowing

through my hair and the beautiful sunny sky above me...and lookit this, it's by

the ocean,

and see this lovely veranda with comfortable chairs, and have a look-see at the

dining

room, looks like a fancy upscale restaurant, with a salad bar that overlooks the

sea. Oh

man, just look at this joint, with snacking and socializing areas...did someone

say

" snacking " ? I can sit there on my dead ass and stuff my face in this tropical

paradise....

I wanna go there! Hey, I've never been in a rehab before, I just walked into AA

on my

own, and didn't have the fun of going to rehab...I wanna go and stroll on the

beach and do

yoga and stuff my face with those snacks and hang out in that fancy restaurant

with that

salad bar overlooking the sea, I want exercise and massage, and all I have to do

to get

this heavenly month-long vacation is be powerless over alcohol? Okay, ,

sure! I'm

powerless! Lemme in! All I have to do is turn my will and my life over to God?

You got

it, Man, I want those comfy chairs on the veranda, I want the massage therapy,

and all I

have to do is make a searching and fearless moral inventory, ask God to remove

my defects

of character, make amends and carry the message. Sure! Lemme in, I'm coming.

And how noble and virtuous this is...it sez here he chose Antigua because there

are so

many drug and alcohol problems there, broken families, abuse and violence,

neglect and

crime, such terrible things happening in such a beautiful place. And he's going

to let

Caribbean people in, by golly, alongside the fancy Americans and Europeans, good

for him,

and he's making his place really cheap, cheap, cheap, so that people can afford

to come.

Oh boy, a cheap tropical paradise. I'm on my way, it's cheap. I'll just go

down to the

bank and get out some money, how much do I need? How much for a month in

paradise?

Say what? $11,000?????

Eleven thousand dollars is *cheap*??? If eleven thousand dollars is cheap, I'd

like to

know what is considered expensive!!!

And if I can get a resort in Antigua for eleven thousand dollars, what do I get

for even

more money? Do I get heaven itself with God and Jesus and all the angels

bringing me

chocolate-covered jalapenos on a silver platter?

Forget it. I can't spend $11,000 on fun in the sun. And I'd just as soon not

have to be

powerless anyway.

Cheers,

nz

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> > > >

> > > > Hi Folks,

> > > >

> > > > Went to see Clapton concert last night.

> > > >

> > > > I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> > > > program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> > > > Wondering if he's now a stepper?

> > > > He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> > > > Significance? Anyone know?

> > >

> > >I have seen Clapton at an AA meeting here in London. I

wonder

> > >does he still get royalities for his song " She's alright, she's

> > >alright, she;s alright.... cocaine. " ?

> > >

> > >P.

> > >

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At 06:58 AM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Say what? $11,000?????

>

>Eleven thousand dollars is *cheap*??? If eleven thousand dollars is

>cheap, I'd like to

>know what is considered expensive!!!

$11k actually *is* pretty cheap for a month-long " treatment " in one

of the snazzy centers. My own 28-day " treatment " was something

like $10k, and that was around 1990 in one of the Parkside chain

centers.

I'm sure his center is still making money, of course. Expenses are

not high in a place like that; the only real expenses are staff

salaries. They only manage to get away with charging so much

because they pretend to be (and often even call themselves)

hospitals.

If for any reason you ever want to be amused by somebody giving

you the runaround, try to find out where all the money goes at one

of these supposedly nonprofit centers. I tried to investigate this

during my Parkside stay, and was left with the conclusion that if

there are no profits then the people at the top must be making

extremely high salaries.

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Is the Parkside you mention in Connecticut? I did many hours of

volunter work there and got a snootfull of indoctorination which

sent me off on my past 12 step career. Just curious.

If for any reason you ever want to be amused by somebody giving

you the runaround, try to find out where all the money goes at one

of these supposedly nonprofit centers. I tried to investigate this

during my Parkside stay, and was left with the conclusion that if

there are no profits then the people at the top must be making

extremely high salaries.

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At 11:59 AM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

>,

>Is the Parkside you mention in Connecticut? I did many hours of

>volunter work there and got a snootfull of indoctorination which

>sent me off on my past 12 step career. Just curious.

No, in Ohio. That chain is all over the place, or at least it used

to be.

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> Pete,

>

> He did play " Cocaine " and the crowd was wildly cheering.

> Certainly alot of coke had been snorted before the show

> by some of the crowd. And the song sure did seem to put a

> stamp of approval on that.

>

> Wonder how this fits into his XA " program? "

But Sue, at least he (and they) werent drinking! ;)

P.

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> If I recall correctly, the rehab facility in question does reserve a

certain

> number of places for free admission of indigent addicts. Mike.

Heck,

Theyve got to have a few tropical maidens in to serve the Pina Colada.

Btw, I believe in pouting influential steppers (altho celebrities

often come out anyway, or are outed by the media).

P.

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Ohio? I know that place! Happen to be there now. Columbus too be exact!

The idea of Antigua, now that really makes my Beast want to go out and do it

just one more time (lol) Eddie

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>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: RE: Re:Any Clapton fans?

>Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:17:10 -0400

>

>At 11:59 AM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >,

> >Is the Parkside you mention in Connecticut? I did many hours of

> >volunter work there and got a snootfull of indoctorination which

> >sent me off on my past 12 step career. Just curious.

>

>No, in Ohio. That chain is all over the place, or at least it used

>to be.

>

>

>

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> At 06:58 AM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >Say what? $11,000?????

> >

> >Eleven thousand dollars is *cheap*??? If eleven thousand dollars is

> >cheap, I'd like to

> >know what is considered expensive!!!

>

> $11k actually *is* pretty cheap for a month-long " treatment " in one

> of the snazzy centers. My own 28-day " treatment " was something

> like $10k, and that was around 1990 in one of the Parkside chain

> centers.

OTOH, there's a place in CT that charges $75/day for residential treatment.

Ages ago I was in a public detox 10-day program in Indiana that charged a

sliding scale based on income, up to a max that was something like $30/day.

When it came down to what they delivered, aside from the lack of swimming

pools and movie stars, I couldn't see any reason why the posher joints

should be considered better.

Makes it pretty clear that people like Clapton and Betty Ford ($14000 per

month, FYI) are motivated more by the desire to build ego-monuments than by

actually wanting to help people.

--wally

>

> I'm sure his center is still making money, of course. Expenses are

> not high in a place like that; the only real expenses are staff

> salaries. They only manage to get away with charging so much

> because they pretend to be (and often even call themselves)

> hospitals.

>

> If for any reason you ever want to be amused by somebody giving

> you the runaround, try to find out where all the money goes at one

> of these supposedly nonprofit centers. I tried to investigate this

> during my Parkside stay, and was left with the conclusion that if

> there are no profits then the people at the top must be making

> extremely high salaries.

>

>

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At 03:31 PM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Makes it pretty clear that people like Clapton and Betty Ford ($14000 per

>month, FYI) are motivated more by the desire to build ego-monuments than by

>actually wanting to help people.

I think they all are. It's just a question of what the target market

can afford.

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I guess you have no respect for the 'anonymous' part of AA huh? Mike.

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> >Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:42:37 -0000

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Folks,

> > >

> > > Went to see Clapton concert last night.

> > >

> > > I knew Clapton had had his drug problems...but read in the

> > > program that he now runs a treatment center in Antigua.

> > > Wondering if he's now a stepper?

> > > He was wearing an upside down crucifix around his neck.

> > > Significance? Anyone know?

> >

> >I have seen Clapton at an AA meeting here in London. I wonder

> >does he still get royalities for his song " She's alright, she's

> >alright, she;s alright.... cocaine. " ?

> >

> >P.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> I read an interview where Jack LaLanne (of all people) stated that

> occasional use of drugs(he specifically named cocaine) need not be

> detrimental to your health and fitness. Mike.

I dont know who Jack LaLanne is, but he's right.

Tea made from coca leaves provides some cocaine that is a stimulant

but is no more damaging than the caffeine in coffee and fizzy drinks.

However, coca growing countries are not allowed to export it, robbing

them of a source of income they could have from coca that would not

harm anyone.

I dont know much about refined cocane but it is known that some ppl

are able to use heroin without detriment.

P.

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> I respect other peoples beliefs and I observe their requests unless

their is

> some reason not to. Do what you want-maybe you should be a

journalist-then

> when you invade celebrities privacy, you can say 'the people have a

right

> to know-I am following a noble calling, just like the law, or

something'-no

> offense, Mike.

Yeah no offense Mike, sure you meant none. How civil it was of you

to ask me first if it was an OPEN meeting, when anyone could walk in

and see him for themselves, before you got so sanctimonious.

It was so long ago I cant remember if it was, but I know that they

did have open meetings at that venue at that time.

Ordinarily I would agree with you about privacy - but the steppers

have taken the game beyond that. These folks participate in coerced

attendance - a total breech of ppl's civil rights. While XA continues

to do this, then they've lost it as far as keeping privacy is

concerned with me - maybe they could keep it a little more private if

they didnt have so many ppl in there who didnt want to be there. Also

I believe we have a right to know Clapton's affiliations if he is

involved with a rehab in some way - it means he isnt doing it on an

impartial basis but has a commitment to a particular philosophy.

Ironically, I never even noticed he was there until another AA pointed

him out to me - I was invited to ogle him by another member. Also, in

the case of celebirities the chances of them not being outed is pretty

well zilch anyway - almost certainly Clapton's story was run in the

press years ago.

Also AA members themselves gossip about who is and who isnt, despite

each group being supposedly autonomous. An AA friend passed on the

gossip that Dubya had been seen in a meeting - even though I'm no

longer AA.

The " anonymous " but is suposed to be so that they dont go around

promoting themselves or AA with it. Well I aint promoting Clapton or

AA, so whats he got to hide.

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If I recall correctly, the rehab facility in question does reserve a certain

number of places for free admission of indigent addicts. Mike.

Re: Re:Any Clapton fans?

> What? What? Oh, WOW!

>

> So Clapton has a nifty rehab now...

>

> I've just clicked on the link. Hey hey hey, this place looks like a fancy

resort! Lookit

> that pretty building, with the fine landscaping and pretty flowers,

swimming pools and

> palm trees...and what's this? Hey, I can get exercise therapy, massage

therapy,

> yoga....and hey! *Beach meetings*, out there on the warm sand, with cool

breezes blowing

> through my hair and the beautiful sunny sky above me...and lookit this,

it's by the ocean,

> and see this lovely veranda with comfortable chairs, and have a look-see

at the dining

> room, looks like a fancy upscale restaurant, with a salad bar that

overlooks the sea. Oh

> man, just look at this joint, with snacking and socializing areas...did

someone say

> " snacking " ? I can sit there on my dead ass and stuff my face in this

tropical

> paradise....

>

> I wanna go there! Hey, I've never been in a rehab before, I just walked

into AA on my

> own, and didn't have the fun of going to rehab...I wanna go and stroll on

the beach and do

> yoga and stuff my face with those snacks and hang out in that fancy

restaurant with that

> salad bar overlooking the sea, I want exercise and massage, and all I have

to do to get

> this heavenly month-long vacation is be powerless over alcohol? Okay,

, sure! I'm

> powerless! Lemme in! All I have to do is turn my will and my life over

to God? You got

> it, Man, I want those comfy chairs on the veranda, I want the massage

therapy, and all I

> have to do is make a searching and fearless moral inventory, ask God to

remove my defects

> of character, make amends and carry the message. Sure! Lemme in, I'm

coming.

>

> And how noble and virtuous this is...it sez here he chose Antigua because

there are so

> many drug and alcohol problems there, broken families, abuse and violence,

neglect and

> crime, such terrible things happening in such a beautiful place. And he's

going to let

> Caribbean people in, by golly, alongside the fancy Americans and

Europeans, good for him,

> and he's making his place really cheap, cheap, cheap, so that people can

afford to come.

>

> Oh boy, a cheap tropical paradise. I'm on my way, it's cheap. I'll just

go down to the

> bank and get out some money, how much do I need? How much for a month in

paradise?

>

> Say what? $11,000?????

>

> Eleven thousand dollars is *cheap*??? If eleven thousand dollars is

cheap, I'd like to

> know what is considered expensive!!!

>

> And if I can get a resort in Antigua for eleven thousand dollars, what do

I get for even

> more money? Do I get heaven itself with God and Jesus and all the angels

bringing me

> chocolate-covered jalapenos on a silver platter?

>

> Forget it. I can't spend $11,000 on fun in the sun. And I'd just as soon

not have to be

> powerless anyway.

>

> Cheers,

>

> nz

>

>

>

>

>

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> I read an interview where Jack LaLanne (of all people) stated that

> occasional use of drugs(he specifically named cocaine) need not be

> detrimental to your health and fitness. Mike.

He is correct.

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I read an interview where Jack LaLanne (of all people) stated that

occasional use of drugs(he specifically named cocaine) need not be

detrimental to your health and fitness. Mike.

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>

> >

> > Pete,

> >

> > He did play " Cocaine " and the crowd was wildly cheering.

> > Certainly alot of coke had been snorted before the show

> > by some of the crowd. And the song sure did seem to put a

> > stamp of approval on that.

> >

> > Wonder how this fits into his XA " program? "

>

> But Sue, at least he (and they) werent drinking! ;)

>

> P.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I went to a God Forsaken treatment /detox facility in New jersey called

Behaviora lSomething or other(Can't remember it,but it was in Summit ,New

Jersey , and it was formerly famous for having people like pro athletes,

etcetera as patients) and they charged my insurance company approximately

$1500 per day, which totaled up to about Ten Grand for a seven day stay. The

place and it's 'personnel should fucking get scurvy and have all their teeth

fall out. Mike.

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>

>

> > At 06:58 AM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

> > >Say what? $11,000?????

> > >

> > >Eleven thousand dollars is *cheap*??? If eleven thousand dollars is

> > >cheap, I'd like to

> > >know what is considered expensive!!!

> >

> > $11k actually *is* pretty cheap for a month-long " treatment " in one

> > of the snazzy centers. My own 28-day " treatment " was something

> > like $10k, and that was around 1990 in one of the Parkside chain

> > centers.

>

> OTOH, there's a place in CT that charges $75/day for residential

treatment.

> Ages ago I was in a public detox 10-day program in Indiana that charged a

> sliding scale based on income, up to a max that was something like

$30/day.

> When it came down to what they delivered, aside from the lack of swimming

> pools and movie stars, I couldn't see any reason why the posher joints

> should be considered better.

>

> Makes it pretty clear that people like Clapton and Betty Ford ($14000 per

> month, FYI) are motivated more by the desire to build ego-monuments than

by

> actually wanting to help people.

>

> --wally

>

> >

> > I'm sure his center is still making money, of course. Expenses are

> > not high in a place like that; the only real expenses are staff

> > salaries. They only manage to get away with charging so much

> > because they pretend to be (and often even call themselves)

> > hospitals.

> >

> > If for any reason you ever want to be amused by somebody giving

> > you the runaround, try to find out where all the money goes at one

> > of these supposedly nonprofit centers. I tried to investigate this

> > during my Parkside stay, and was left with the conclusion that if

> > there are no profits then the people at the top must be making

> > extremely high salaries.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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