Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 Hi List, I wanted to set the record straight about my beliefs on these two issues. Regarding Columbia, the true state of affairs is that I have very little knowledge about what is happening there. In fact, I have very little knowledge about many things that are happening out in the big world. My focus is, and must be, much smaller than this. I mentioned " resources " before. Some of what I mean here are financial resources, but another factor is also emotional resources. I have the daily care of two small children, as many of you know. They come first, before any other issue is addressed. A lot of the time, my main focus is how to get through the day and accomplish the tasks I need to to keep things functioning. So, there is a matter of prioritization. I think that in order for me to take on more than what I am currently doing, I would have to decide what was important to me. Columbia is not. I do not wish them ill, but reality is that I must address issues that are closer to home. If I were to become an activist in any area, it would probably be domestic violence or perhaps drug legalization. However, I apologize for the comment about not giving a fuck. It is just out of my realm. Regarding feminism. I was irritated by the " bourgeois-feminist " label and ascribing remarks and/or rationales to this issue that I do not believe. I can assure you that my feminism is on a much more basic scale than CEOs in some sort of hyper-monopoly. Nor, have I ever made any sort of reference to women not getting such jobs as being " soul-raped. " IMO, corporations represent a far more significant evil than all the alcohol/recovery/spiritual issues combined. They have an extreme amount of power and almost no accountability and have caused more financial loss and loss of life than all the " crime in the streets " combined. Nor, have I really been " up " on the feminist movement for quite some time. The last time I checked in on them, if you were a mother they just sort of sighed and shook their heads at you. Dimwit! If you want to get anywhere, lose the kiddos. Thus, I cannot really claim to have many ties to that movement and I have never read what Gloria Steinem wrote. So I will not defend her either. I have read a number of works on the current state of motherhood in the United States. My assessment of this issue is that many of the things that are believed about the institution are cultural myths that tend to keep women doing it and men away from it. There are also a number of " gurus " in this area that are putting an incredible amount of pressure on women to " stay home. " Breastfeeding has become almost mandatory. Anyone not doing this had better have a good reason. Ideas about the stimulation and play with children have become overdone. Ideas about discipline have gone so far into the realm of being " child-centered " that many people are finding that they do not have any tools left for disciplining...and then frustration erupts and real damage can be done. Women are also becoming very isolated. This combination of factors can lead to serious difficulty, especially when you add in sleep deprivation. Then, if something should happen to the provider relationship when the father is no longer bringing it home, as happens often, poverty can result. So no. I am not talking about women having an equal position in the corporate world. I'm talking about them being able to maintain their sanity and to be able to provide for their families, on their own if need be. Bourgeois. I don't know all the definitions of that word. It seems to indicate someone with money, property. I don't have those things. Maybe it can denote someone who aspires to them. I do. Someday, I'd love to have a house of our own, I want to send my kids to college. How can they, or me, do any real good in the world if we are wanting in the basics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 I agree with you completely. People make different choices, and when they make those choices, there are accompanying sacrifices. You have made clear what yours are in choosing to care for your children. I don't think anyone has criticized you for that, or for whatever you think about feminism. , obviously, has made sacrifices in following his choices. It appears that he has no family. Unfortunately, appears to believe that what happens in Colombia should be everyone's first priority. As I once said to , a long time ago, if everyone thinks the same thing is the most important, then only one thing will get done. He didn't answer my remark and apparently doesn't accept it. Speaking for myself, I find that there are organizations handling all kinds of issues that I feel strongly about, and if I were to try to participate in all of them, my efforts would be so diluted as to be worthless. Hence I do what I think is important, and hope that it really does do some good -- not just in a superficial way, I also hope I can influence some others to do good. One of the things that I find very heartening is that there are so many young people participating in various causes. Young people are painted as such monsters lately. I wish more people realized the monsters are rare, and the good ones appear to be many. > Hi List, > > I wanted to set the record straight about my beliefs on these two > issues. > > Regarding Columbia, the true state of affairs is that I have very > little knowledge about what is happening there. In fact, I have very > little knowledge about many things that are happening out in the big > world. My focus is, and must be, much smaller than this. I mentioned > " resources " before. Some of what I mean here are financial resources, > but another factor is also emotional resources. I have the daily > care of two small children, as many of you know. They come first, > before any other issue is addressed. A lot of the time, my main focus > is how to get through the day and accomplish the tasks I need to to > keep things functioning. So, there is a matter of prioritization. I > think that in order for me to take on more than what I am currently > doing, I would have to decide what was important to me. Columbia is > not. I do not wish them ill, but reality is that I must address > issues that are closer to home. If I were to become an activist in > any area, it would probably be domestic violence or perhaps drug > legalization. However, I apologize for the comment about not giving a > fuck. It is just out of my realm. > > Regarding feminism. I was irritated by the " bourgeois-feminist " label > and ascribing remarks and/or rationales to this issue that I do not > believe. I can assure you that my feminism is on a much more basic > scale than CEOs in some sort of hyper-monopoly. Nor, have I ever made > any sort of reference to women not getting such jobs as being > " soul-raped. " IMO, corporations represent a far more significant evil > than all the alcohol/recovery/spiritual issues combined. They have an > extreme amount of power and almost no accountability and have caused > more financial loss and loss of life than all the " crime in the > streets " combined. > > Nor, have I really been " up " on the feminist movement for quite some > time. The last time I checked in on them, if you were a mother they > just sort of sighed and shook their heads at you. Dimwit! If you > want to get anywhere, lose the kiddos. Thus, I cannot really claim to > have many ties to that movement and I have never read what Gloria > Steinem wrote. So I will not defend her either. > > I have read a number of works on the current state of motherhood in > the United States. My assessment of this issue is that many of the > things that are believed about the institution are cultural myths that > tend to keep women doing it and men away from it. There are also a > number of " gurus " in this area that are putting an incredible amount > of pressure on women to " stay home. " Breastfeeding has become almost > mandatory. Anyone not doing this had better have a good reason. > Ideas about the stimulation and play with children have become > overdone. Ideas about discipline have gone so far into the realm of > being " child-centered " that many people are finding that they do not > have any tools left for disciplining...and then frustration erupts and > real damage can be done. Women are also becoming very isolated. This > combination of factors can lead to serious difficulty, especially when > you add in sleep deprivation. > > Then, if something should happen to the provider relationship when the > father is no longer bringing it home, as happens often, poverty can > result. So no. I am not talking about women having an equal position > in the corporate world. I'm talking about them being able to maintain > their sanity and to be able to provide for their families, on their > own if need be. > > Bourgeois. I don't know all the definitions of that word. It seems > to indicate someone with money, property. I don't have those things. > Maybe it can denote someone who aspires to them. I do. Someday, I'd > love to have a house of our own, I want to send my kids to college. > How can they, or me, do any real good in the world if we are wanting > in the basics? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Some things are more important than others. I think for a German to have said to a Jew in German in 1938, " Well, I am actually giving my time to cleaning up the environment, so I can't worry about your problems, " would have been highly immoral. Not to pay most attention to the mass murder the U.S. is engaged in in Latin America is immoral. Donating to the local SPCA doesn't cover that up. Re: Feminism, Columbia > I agree with you completely. People make different choices, and when > they make those choices, there are accompanying sacrifices. You have > made clear what yours are in choosing to care for your children. I > don't think anyone has criticized you for that, or for whatever you > think about feminism. > > , obviously, has made sacrifices in following his choices. It > appears that he has no family. Unfortunately, appears to believe > that what happens in Colombia should be everyone's first priority. As > I once said to , a long time ago, if everyone thinks the same > thing is the most important, then only one thing will get done. He > didn't answer my remark and apparently doesn't accept it. > > Speaking for myself, I find that there are organizations handling all > kinds of issues that I feel strongly about, and if I were to try to > participate in all of them, my efforts would be so diluted as to be > worthless. Hence I do what I think is important, and hope that it > really does do some good -- not just in a superficial way, I also hope > I can influence some others to do good. One of the things that I find > very heartening is that there are so many young people participating > in various causes. Young people are painted as such monsters lately. > I wish more people realized the monsters are rare, and the good ones > appear to be many. > > > > Hi List, > > > > I wanted to set the record straight about my beliefs on these two > > issues. > > > > Regarding Columbia, the true state of affairs is that I have very > > little knowledge about what is happening there. In fact, I have > very > > little knowledge about many things that are happening out in the big > > world. My focus is, and must be, much smaller than this. I > mentioned > > " resources " before. Some of what I mean here are financial > resources, > > but another factor is also emotional resources. I have the daily > > care of two small children, as many of you know. They come first, > > before any other issue is addressed. A lot of the time, my main > focus > > is how to get through the day and accomplish the tasks I need to to > > keep things functioning. So, there is a matter of prioritization. > I > > think that in order for me to take on more than what I am currently > > doing, I would have to decide what was important to me. Columbia is > > not. I do not wish them ill, but reality is that I must address > > issues that are closer to home. If I were to become an activist in > > any area, it would probably be domestic violence or perhaps drug > > legalization. However, I apologize for the comment about not giving > a > > fuck. It is just out of my realm. > > > > Regarding feminism. I was irritated by the " bourgeois-feminist " > label > > and ascribing remarks and/or rationales to this issue that I do not > > believe. I can assure you that my feminism is on a much more basic > > scale than CEOs in some sort of hyper-monopoly. Nor, have I ever > made > > any sort of reference to women not getting such jobs as being > > " soul-raped. " IMO, corporations represent a far more significant > evil > > than all the alcohol/recovery/spiritual issues combined. They have > an > > extreme amount of power and almost no accountability and have caused > > more financial loss and loss of life than all the " crime in the > > streets " combined. > > > > Nor, have I really been " up " on the feminist movement for quite some > > time. The last time I checked in on them, if you were a mother they > > just sort of sighed and shook their heads at you. Dimwit! If you > > want to get anywhere, lose the kiddos. Thus, I cannot really claim > to > > have many ties to that movement and I have never read what Gloria > > Steinem wrote. So I will not defend her either. > > > > I have read a number of works on the current state of motherhood in > > the United States. My assessment of this issue is that many of the > > things that are believed about the institution are cultural myths > that > > tend to keep women doing it and men away from it. There are also a > > number of " gurus " in this area that are putting an incredible amount > > of pressure on women to " stay home. " Breastfeeding has become > almost > > mandatory. Anyone not doing this had better have a good reason. > > Ideas about the stimulation and play with children have become > > overdone. Ideas about discipline have gone so far into the realm of > > being " child-centered " that many people are finding that they do not > > have any tools left for disciplining...and then frustration erupts > and > > real damage can be done. Women are also becoming very isolated. > This > > combination of factors can lead to serious difficulty, especially > when > > you add in sleep deprivation. > > > > Then, if something should happen to the provider relationship when > the > > father is no longer bringing it home, as happens often, poverty can > > result. So no. I am not talking about women having an equal > position > > in the corporate world. I'm talking about them being able to > maintain > > their sanity and to be able to provide for their families, on their > > own if need be. > > > > Bourgeois. I don't know all the definitions of that word. It seems > > to indicate someone with money, property. I don't have those > things. > > Maybe it can denote someone who aspires to them. I do. Someday, > I'd > > love to have a house of our own, I want to send my kids to college. > > > How can they, or me, do any real good in the world if we are wanting > > in the basics? > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 I didn't know that the USA was into mass murder in central America. I thought that was in the Reagan administration. Mike. Re: Feminism, Columbia > > > > I agree with you completely. People make different choices, and when > > they make those choices, there are accompanying sacrifices. You have > > made clear what yours are in choosing to care for your children. I > > don't think anyone has criticized you for that, or for whatever you > > think about feminism. > > > > , obviously, has made sacrifices in following his choices. It > > appears that he has no family. Unfortunately, appears to believe > > that what happens in Colombia should be everyone's first priority. As > > I once said to , a long time ago, if everyone thinks the same > > thing is the most important, then only one thing will get done. He > > didn't answer my remark and apparently doesn't accept it. > > > > Speaking for myself, I find that there are organizations handling all > > kinds of issues that I feel strongly about, and if I were to try to > > participate in all of them, my efforts would be so diluted as to be > > worthless. Hence I do what I think is important, and hope that it > > really does do some good -- not just in a superficial way, I also hope > > I can influence some others to do good. One of the things that I find > > very heartening is that there are so many young people participating > > in various causes. Young people are painted as such monsters lately. > > I wish more people realized the monsters are rare, and the good ones > > appear to be many. > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I wanted to set the record straight about my beliefs on these two > > > issues. > > > > > > Regarding Columbia, the true state of affairs is that I have very > > > little knowledge about what is happening there. In fact, I have > > very > > > little knowledge about many things that are happening out in the big > > > world. My focus is, and must be, much smaller than this. I > > mentioned > > > " resources " before. Some of what I mean here are financial > > resources, > > > but another factor is also emotional resources. I have the daily > > > care of two small children, as many of you know. They come first, > > > before any other issue is addressed. A lot of the time, my main > > focus > > > is how to get through the day and accomplish the tasks I need to to > > > keep things functioning. So, there is a matter of prioritization. > > I > > > think that in order for me to take on more than what I am currently > > > doing, I would have to decide what was important to me. Columbia is > > > not. I do not wish them ill, but reality is that I must address > > > issues that are closer to home. If I were to become an activist in > > > any area, it would probably be domestic violence or perhaps drug > > > legalization. However, I apologize for the comment about not giving > > a > > > fuck. It is just out of my realm. > > > > > > Regarding feminism. I was irritated by the " bourgeois-feminist " > > label > > > and ascribing remarks and/or rationales to this issue that I do not > > > believe. I can assure you that my feminism is on a much more basic > > > scale than CEOs in some sort of hyper-monopoly. Nor, have I ever > > made > > > any sort of reference to women not getting such jobs as being > > > " soul-raped. " IMO, corporations represent a far more significant > > evil > > > than all the alcohol/recovery/spiritual issues combined. They have > > an > > > extreme amount of power and almost no accountability and have caused > > > more financial loss and loss of life than all the " crime in the > > > streets " combined. > > > > > > Nor, have I really been " up " on the feminist movement for quite some > > > time. The last time I checked in on them, if you were a mother they > > > just sort of sighed and shook their heads at you. Dimwit! If you > > > want to get anywhere, lose the kiddos. Thus, I cannot really claim > > to > > > have many ties to that movement and I have never read what Gloria > > > Steinem wrote. So I will not defend her either. > > > > > > I have read a number of works on the current state of motherhood in > > > the United States. My assessment of this issue is that many of the > > > things that are believed about the institution are cultural myths > > that > > > tend to keep women doing it and men away from it. There are also a > > > number of " gurus " in this area that are putting an incredible amount > > > of pressure on women to " stay home. " Breastfeeding has become > > almost > > > mandatory. Anyone not doing this had better have a good reason. > > > Ideas about the stimulation and play with children have become > > > overdone. Ideas about discipline have gone so far into the realm of > > > being " child-centered " that many people are finding that they do not > > > have any tools left for disciplining...and then frustration erupts > > and > > > real damage can be done. Women are also becoming very isolated. > > This > > > combination of factors can lead to serious difficulty, especially > > when > > > you add in sleep deprivation. > > > > > > Then, if something should happen to the provider relationship when > > the > > > father is no longer bringing it home, as happens often, poverty can > > > result. So no. I am not talking about women having an equal > > position > > > in the corporate world. I'm talking about them being able to > > maintain > > > their sanity and to be able to provide for their families, on their > > > own if need be. > > > > > > Bourgeois. I don't know all the definitions of that word. It seems > > > to indicate someone with money, property. I don't have those > > things. > > > Maybe it can denote someone who aspires to them. I do. Someday, > > I'd > > > love to have a house of our own, I want to send my kids to college. > > > > > How can they, or me, do any real good in the world if we are wanting > > > in the basics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 There you are. One trick pony. > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I wanted to set the record straight about my beliefs on these two > > > issues. > > > > > > Regarding Columbia, the true state of affairs is that I have very > > > little knowledge about what is happening there. In fact, I have > > very > > > little knowledge about many things that are happening out in the big > > > world. My focus is, and must be, much smaller than this. I > > mentioned > > > " resources " before. Some of what I mean here are financial > > resources, > > > but another factor is also emotional resources. I have the daily > > > care of two small children, as many of you know. They come first, > > > before any other issue is addressed. A lot of the time, my main > > focus > > > is how to get through the day and accomplish the tasks I need to to > > > keep things functioning. So, there is a matter of prioritization. > > I > > > think that in order for me to take on more than what I am currently > > > doing, I would have to decide what was important to me. Columbia is > > > not. I do not wish them ill, but reality is that I must address > > > issues that are closer to home. If I were to become an activist in > > > any area, it would probably be domestic violence or perhaps drug > > > legalization. However, I apologize for the comment about not giving > > a > > > fuck. It is just out of my realm. > > > > > > Regarding feminism. I was irritated by the " bourgeois-feminist " > > label > > > and ascribing remarks and/or rationales to this issue that I do not > > > believe. I can assure you that my feminism is on a much more basic > > > scale than CEOs in some sort of hyper-monopoly. Nor, have I ever > > made > > > any sort of reference to women not getting such jobs as being > > > " soul-raped. " IMO, corporations represent a far more significant > > evil > > > than all the alcohol/recovery/spiritual issues combined. They have > > an > > > extreme amount of power and almost no accountability and have caused > > > more financial loss and loss of life than all the " crime in the > > > streets " combined. > > > > > > Nor, have I really been " up " on the feminist movement for quite some > > > time. The last time I checked in on them, if you were a mother they > > > just sort of sighed and shook their heads at you. Dimwit! If you > > > want to get anywhere, lose the kiddos. Thus, I cannot really claim > > to > > > have many ties to that movement and I have never read what Gloria > > > Steinem wrote. So I will not defend her either. > > > > > > I have read a number of works on the current state of motherhood in > > > the United States. My assessment of this issue is that many of the > > > things that are believed about the institution are cultural myths > > that > > > tend to keep women doing it and men away from it. There are also a > > > number of " gurus " in this area that are putting an incredible amount > > > of pressure on women to " stay home. " Breastfeeding has become > > almost > > > mandatory. Anyone not doing this had better have a good reason. > > > Ideas about the stimulation and play with children have become > > > overdone. Ideas about discipline have gone so far into the realm of > > > being " child-centered " that many people are finding that they do not > > > have any tools left for disciplining...and then frustration erupts > > and > > > real damage can be done. Women are also becoming very isolated. > > This > > > combination of factors can lead to serious difficulty, especially > > when > > > you add in sleep deprivation. > > > > > > Then, if something should happen to the provider relationship when > > the > > > father is no longer bringing it home, as happens often, poverty can > > > result. So no. I am not talking about women having an equal > > position > > > in the corporate world. I'm talking about them being able to > > maintain > > > their sanity and to be able to provide for their families, on their > > > own if need be. > > > > > > Bourgeois. I don't know all the definitions of that word. It seems > > > to indicate someone with money, property. I don't have those > > things. > > > Maybe it can denote someone who aspires to them. I do. Someday, > > I'd > > > love to have a house of our own, I want to send my kids to college. > > > > > How can they, or me, do any real good in the world if we are wanting > > > in the basics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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