Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Help please

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Hi

Our daughter Katelyn has been on the ketogenic diet for 4 months and we have

managed to reduce her seizures from 20 to 30 seizures a day every day to periods

of 2 to 3 weeks of no seizures followed by periods of seizures for 2 to 3 weeks

but with fewer seizures 3 to 5 a day and not every day. Like most parents we

have tried different foods and supplements and the ones we have found to help

our daughter most are a from a complementary medicine supplier called Metagenics

or Healthworld. We make up a milkshake using Ketoslim which is a high protein

whey powder with key nutrients it comes in chocolate, strawberry and vanilla. We

use 2 grams of the powder with 1 raw egg, 100 mls of cream, teaspoons of

lecithin, 1tspn of pysllium husks, 20mls of canola oil, 1 tspn of Metagenics

Flora care for children which is a probiotic + immune strengthen and 1 tspn

Metagenics N Acetyl Carnitine which is a mixture of N acetyl and levo carnitine

every morning. We also had troubles with flax seed oil and most other oil

causing seizures so we went back to butter and cream but our daughters

cholesterol went up to 8.6 then 10.5 so we went back to oils again and the only

oils that don't seem to cause seizures are Canola oil and we use Hemp seed oil

mixed with it. Lastly go to 4:1 ratio every time we try to lower our daughters

ratio the seizures definitely get worse. Hope this helps and remember be

positive and give thanks to god

Re: Help please

Hi

Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need to lower

them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the meds . . . and

seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all) children

with seizures.

Jill

At 12:36 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

>on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

>month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

>that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

>'s seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

>she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

>now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

>certainly not going in the right direction.

>

>The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

>doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

>really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

>

>'s foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

>and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

>since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

>beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

>caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

>grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

>

>I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

>higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

>went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

>seizures?

>

> seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

>we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

>assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

>there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

>

>What to do? Any input would be welcome.

>Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

>2002, keto diet since June 2003

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi

Our daughter Katelyn has been on the ketogenic diet for 4 months and we have

managed to reduce her seizures from 20 to 30 seizures a day every day to periods

of 2 to 3 weeks of no seizures followed by periods of seizures for 2 to 3 weeks

but with fewer seizures 3 to 5 a day and not every day. Like most parents we

have tried different foods and supplements and the ones we have found to help

our daughter most are a from a complementary medicine supplier called Metagenics

or Healthworld. We make up a milkshake using Ketoslim which is a high protein

whey powder with key nutrients it comes in chocolate, strawberry and vanilla. We

use 2 grams of the powder with 1 raw egg, 100 mls of cream, teaspoons of

lecithin, 1tspn of pysllium husks, 20mls of canola oil, 1 tspn of Metagenics

Flora care for children which is a probiotic + immune strengthen and 1 tspn

Metagenics N Acetyl Carnitine which is a mixture of N acetyl and levo carnitine

every morning. We also had troubles with flax seed oil and most other oil

causing seizures so we went back to butter and cream but our daughters

cholesterol went up to 8.6 then 10.5 so we went back to oils again and the only

oils that don't seem to cause seizures are Canola oil and we use Hemp seed oil

mixed with it. Lastly go to 4:1 ratio every time we try to lower our daughters

ratio the seizures definitely get worse. Hope this helps and remember be

positive and give thanks to god

Re: Help please

Hi

Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need to lower

them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the meds . . . and

seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all) children

with seizures.

Jill

At 12:36 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

>on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

>month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

>that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

>'s seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

>she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

>now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

>certainly not going in the right direction.

>

>The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

>doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

>really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

>

>'s foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

>and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

>since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

>beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

>caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

>grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

>

>I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

>higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

>went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

>seizures?

>

> seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

>we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

>assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

>there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

>

>What to do? Any input would be welcome.

>Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

>2002, keto diet since June 2003

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi

Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need to lower

them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the meds . . . and

seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all) children

with seizures.

Jill

At 12:36 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

>on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

>month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

>that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

>'s seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

>she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

>now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

>certainly not going in the right direction.

>

>The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

>doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

>really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

>

>'s foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

>and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

>since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

>beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

>caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

>grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

>

>I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

>higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

>went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

>seizures?

>

> seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

>we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

>assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

>there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

>

>What to do? Any input would be welcome.

>Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

>2002, keto diet since June 2003

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi

Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need to lower

them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the meds . . . and

seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all) children

with seizures.

Jill

At 12:36 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

>on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

>month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

>that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

>'s seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

>she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

>now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

>certainly not going in the right direction.

>

>The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

>doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

>really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

>

>'s foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

>and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

>since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

>beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

>caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

>grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

>

>I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

>higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

>went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

>seizures?

>

> seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

>we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

>assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

>there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

>

>What to do? Any input would be welcome.

>Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

>2002, keto diet since June 2003

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi

Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need to lower

them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the meds . . . and

seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all) children

with seizures.

Jill

At 12:36 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

>on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

>month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

>that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

>'s seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

>she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

>now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

>certainly not going in the right direction.

>

>The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

>doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

>really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

>

>'s foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

>and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

>since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

>beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

>caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

>grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

>

>I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

>higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

>went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

>seizures?

>

> seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

>we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

>assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

>there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

>

>What to do? Any input would be welcome.

>Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

>2002, keto diet since June 2003

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the suggestion, but I forgot to mention that has

been off meds since March 2003, since they only made things MUCH

worse.

We have only tried the flax seed oil for maybe 10 -14 days. It is

gone now and still no improvement either way.

Ania, mom to , 19 months old and living with seizures for

longer than she has been seizure-free.

> Hi

> Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need

to lower

> them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the

meds . . . and

> seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

>

> Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all)

children

> with seizures.

> Jill

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ania

When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any particular

time of day? before or after food?

Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels like? If

not, it would be a good idea to get hold of one to help with fine tuning

the diet. If levels are too low or too high you may see problems with

seizures. What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too many or

too few calories can also cause problems.

Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

Try to keep your chin up. Three months is not long to trial the diet.

There is a lot you can do to finetune to get better results.

Jill

At 10:35 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>Thanks for the suggestion, but I forgot to mention that has

>been off meds since March 2003, since they only made things MUCH

>worse.

>

>We have only tried the flax seed oil for maybe 10 -14 days. It is

>gone now and still no improvement either way.

>

>Ania, mom to , 19 months old and living with seizures for

>longer than she has been seizure-free.

>

> > Hi

> > Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need

>to lower

> > them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the

>meds . . . and

> > seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

> >

> > Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all)

>children

> > with seizures.

> > Jill

> >

> >

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ania

When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any particular

time of day? before or after food?

Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels like? If

not, it would be a good idea to get hold of one to help with fine tuning

the diet. If levels are too low or too high you may see problems with

seizures. What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too many or

too few calories can also cause problems.

Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

Try to keep your chin up. Three months is not long to trial the diet.

There is a lot you can do to finetune to get better results.

Jill

At 10:35 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>Thanks for the suggestion, but I forgot to mention that has

>been off meds since March 2003, since they only made things MUCH

>worse.

>

>We have only tried the flax seed oil for maybe 10 -14 days. It is

>gone now and still no improvement either way.

>

>Ania, mom to , 19 months old and living with seizures for

>longer than she has been seizure-free.

>

> > Hi

> > Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need

>to lower

> > them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the

>meds . . . and

> > seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

> >

> > Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all)

>children

> > with seizures.

> > Jill

> >

> >

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ania

When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any particular

time of day? before or after food?

Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels like? If

not, it would be a good idea to get hold of one to help with fine tuning

the diet. If levels are too low or too high you may see problems with

seizures. What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too many or

too few calories can also cause problems.

Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

Try to keep your chin up. Three months is not long to trial the diet.

There is a lot you can do to finetune to get better results.

Jill

At 10:35 PM 9/13/03, you wrote:

>Thanks for the suggestion, but I forgot to mention that has

>been off meds since March 2003, since they only made things MUCH

>worse.

>

>We have only tried the flax seed oil for maybe 10 -14 days. It is

>gone now and still no improvement either way.

>

>Ania, mom to , 19 months old and living with seizures for

>longer than she has been seizure-free.

>

> > Hi

> > Is still on any meds? If she is, I would say that you need

>to lower

> > them. The higher ratioj increases the side effects of the

>meds . . . and

> > seizures can be one way that med toxicity can rear its ugly head.

> >

> > Yes, flax seed oil causes increases seizures in many (but not all)

>children

> > with seizures.

> > Jill

> >

> >

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think I would try upping ratio if last ratio increase made

things worse. I would consider lowering ratio instead, if she did well

on SCD diet, she may not need high ketones. Some kids do better with

smaller ketones. So I would try a few things before giving up, like

playing with calories and ratio change. Just remember, the golden rule -

one change at a time and wait a good 3 to 4 weeks in between. Each

change is a metabolic change and takes time for body to process

Jill wrote:

> Hi Ania

> When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any

> particular

> time of day? before or after food?

>

> Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels like?

> If

> not, it would be a good idea to get hold of one to help with fine

> tuning

> the diet. If levels are too low or too high you may see problems with

>

> seizures. What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

>

> What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too many

> or

> too few calories can also cause problems.

>

> Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

>

> Try to keep your chin up. Three months is not long to trial the diet.

>

> There is a lot you can do to finetune to get better results.

> Jill

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think I would try upping ratio if last ratio increase made

things worse. I would consider lowering ratio instead, if she did well

on SCD diet, she may not need high ketones. Some kids do better with

smaller ketones. So I would try a few things before giving up, like

playing with calories and ratio change. Just remember, the golden rule -

one change at a time and wait a good 3 to 4 weeks in between. Each

change is a metabolic change and takes time for body to process

Jill wrote:

> Hi Ania

> When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any

> particular

> time of day? before or after food?

>

> Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels like?

> If

> not, it would be a good idea to get hold of one to help with fine

> tuning

> the diet. If levels are too low or too high you may see problems with

>

> seizures. What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

>

> What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too many

> or

> too few calories can also cause problems.

>

> Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

>

> Try to keep your chin up. Three months is not long to trial the diet.

>

> There is a lot you can do to finetune to get better results.

> Jill

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think I would try upping ratio if last ratio increase made

things worse. I would consider lowering ratio instead, if she did well

on SCD diet, she may not need high ketones. Some kids do better with

smaller ketones. So I would try a few things before giving up, like

playing with calories and ratio change. Just remember, the golden rule -

one change at a time and wait a good 3 to 4 weeks in between. Each

change is a metabolic change and takes time for body to process

Jill wrote:

> Hi Ania

> When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any

> particular

> time of day? before or after food?

>

> Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels like?

> If

> not, it would be a good idea to get hold of one to help with fine

> tuning

> the diet. If levels are too low or too high you may see problems with

>

> seizures. What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

>

> What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too many

> or

> too few calories can also cause problems.

>

> Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

>

> Try to keep your chin up. Three months is not long to trial the diet.

>

> There is a lot you can do to finetune to get better results.

> Jill

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ania,

How long was on the SCD? You might want to consider doing an SCD/Keto

combination. You didn't mention what kind of ketone readings you're seeing. Have

you not been able to get good strong ketones? That must be the case or your team

would not be increasing the ratio. Some kids, especially the younger ones, can

even seize MORE on higher ratios. I would double check calories. Depending on

her weight (gaining? losing?) she may have too many calories coming in. This can

definitely influence control. Our team likes the kids to be on the skinny

side..... they just see better control in the kids who are around the 25th

percentile for weight.

Hope some of this helps....

Patti, mom to Katera, former Keto kid for over 2 yrs, now on SCD 5 months and

doing great.

Help please

, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

's seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

certainly not going in the right direction.

The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

's foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

seizures?

seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

What to do? Any input would be welcome.

Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

2002, keto diet since June 2003

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ania,

How long was on the SCD? You might want to consider doing an SCD/Keto

combination. You didn't mention what kind of ketone readings you're seeing. Have

you not been able to get good strong ketones? That must be the case or your team

would not be increasing the ratio. Some kids, especially the younger ones, can

even seize MORE on higher ratios. I would double check calories. Depending on

her weight (gaining? losing?) she may have too many calories coming in. This can

definitely influence control. Our team likes the kids to be on the skinny

side..... they just see better control in the kids who are around the 25th

percentile for weight.

Hope some of this helps....

Patti, mom to Katera, former Keto kid for over 2 yrs, now on SCD 5 months and

doing great.

Help please

, our little daughter who will be 19 months on Monday has been

on the keto diet since June 23/03. We started at 3:1 and after one

month, when we did not see any major changes, our team recommended

that we increase the ratio to 3.58:1. After the last increase,

's seizures have been slowly creeping up. Prior to the diet,

she was on the SCD and her seizures were somewhere between 10 - 15,

now they are more in the area of 15-20 myoclonics per day. We are

certainly not going in the right direction.

The next recommended increase is 4:1. Is this what we should be

doing? Or should we just call if quits re. the keto diet since it

really has not helped so far at all? Is three months a fair trial?

's foods are all organic, she does not get any processed foods

and we do not use any free foods. I have cut out all glycemic foods

since the last increase, so that her meals consist of eggs, chicken,

beef or cheddar cheese as protein, and broccoli, zicchini or

caulifower as carbs. She gets tiny amounts of blueberries (2.7

grams) or orange (3.3 grams) with her snack.

I tried initially different oils as part of her fat, while on the

higher ratio (canola, flax, olive), but since we saw no difference, I

went back to butter. Is it true that flax seed oil can cause more

seizures?

seems to be more in her own world which really worries me -

we think that she may be a little autistic. We have a developmental

assessment coming up in November, but she is not talking yet and

there are some other delays becoming more apparent.

What to do? Any input would be welcome.

Ania, mom to , 18 months old, moyclonic seizures since October

2002, keto diet since June 2003

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Jill,

> When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any

particular time of day? before or after food?

We did keep a very accurate log for a coule of weeks and found that

she seems to simply get them throughout the day typical break down

was: 3 before breakfast, 5-6 between breakfast and lunch, 5-6 between

lunch and dinner, another 3 between diner and bedtime snack.

>

> Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels

like?

We measured her b/g for the first month twice every day and her

levels were consistently between 3.3 and 4.4. Since we started the

diet, had not had any hypoglycemic symptoms either.

What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

>

Her ketones are between 4 - 16. How stable should the ketones be?

Should there be only minimal variation? At a certain point I charted

her seizures and ketones throughout the day and there was no

correlation between levels of ketones and the number of jerks or

alertnes for that matter.

> What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too

many or too few calories can also cause problems.

>

She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June, but

she has grown in height.

> Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

Carnetine was fine.

>

I am not sure what else we can do. Sometimes I don't think that our

team is trying to help us hard enough and that all finetuning avenues

have not been exausted. Maybe there is something really simple that

is bothering her. Maybe it is the lactose in the cream? I brought

these issues up with our team but I feel that they fall onto deaf

ears.

Thanks for your help and ideas, Ania

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Jill,

> When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any

particular time of day? before or after food?

We did keep a very accurate log for a coule of weeks and found that

she seems to simply get them throughout the day typical break down

was: 3 before breakfast, 5-6 between breakfast and lunch, 5-6 between

lunch and dinner, another 3 between diner and bedtime snack.

>

> Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels

like?

We measured her b/g for the first month twice every day and her

levels were consistently between 3.3 and 4.4. Since we started the

diet, had not had any hypoglycemic symptoms either.

What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

>

Her ketones are between 4 - 16. How stable should the ketones be?

Should there be only minimal variation? At a certain point I charted

her seizures and ketones throughout the day and there was no

correlation between levels of ketones and the number of jerks or

alertnes for that matter.

> What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too

many or too few calories can also cause problems.

>

She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June, but

she has grown in height.

> Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

Carnetine was fine.

>

I am not sure what else we can do. Sometimes I don't think that our

team is trying to help us hard enough and that all finetuning avenues

have not been exausted. Maybe there is something really simple that

is bothering her. Maybe it is the lactose in the cream? I brought

these issues up with our team but I feel that they fall onto deaf

ears.

Thanks for your help and ideas, Ania

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Jill,

> When does seem to have most of these seizures? Is it any

particular time of day? before or after food?

We did keep a very accurate log for a coule of weeks and found that

she seems to simply get them throughout the day typical break down

was: 3 before breakfast, 5-6 between breakfast and lunch, 5-6 between

lunch and dinner, another 3 between diner and bedtime snack.

>

> Do you have a blood glucose monitor? If so, what are her levels

like?

We measured her b/g for the first month twice every day and her

levels were consistently between 3.3 and 4.4. Since we started the

diet, had not had any hypoglycemic symptoms either.

What sort of ketones are you getting with the current ratio?

>

Her ketones are between 4 - 16. How stable should the ketones be?

Should there be only minimal variation? At a certain point I charted

her seizures and ketones throughout the day and there was no

correlation between levels of ketones and the number of jerks or

alertnes for that matter.

> What are her calories like? Is she gaining or losing weight? Too

many or too few calories can also cause problems.

>

She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June, but

she has grown in height.

> Have her Carnitine levels been checked for a deficiency?

Carnetine was fine.

>

I am not sure what else we can do. Sometimes I don't think that our

team is trying to help us hard enough and that all finetuning avenues

have not been exausted. Maybe there is something really simple that

is bothering her. Maybe it is the lactose in the cream? I brought

these issues up with our team but I feel that they fall onto deaf

ears.

Thanks for your help and ideas, Ania

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ania,

Height gain without proportional weight gain, is an actual form of weight

'loss', it may be therefore that her calories need to inch up a bit. (unless

you were actually aiming for weight loss?) Have you plotted her BMI?

If you haven't checked BS since when she first started the diet, it might

pay to restart for a short while, maybe even for a day or 2, just to check

nothing has altered there - it is good you have a baseline to compare to.

(wish we had)

Ketones will fluctuate during the day somewhat - ie - lower in the morn,

higher in evening, but going too high at night may indicate cal shortage

during the day.

----- Original Message -----

> She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June, but

> she has grown in height.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ania,

Height gain without proportional weight gain, is an actual form of weight

'loss', it may be therefore that her calories need to inch up a bit. (unless

you were actually aiming for weight loss?) Have you plotted her BMI?

If you haven't checked BS since when she first started the diet, it might

pay to restart for a short while, maybe even for a day or 2, just to check

nothing has altered there - it is good you have a baseline to compare to.

(wish we had)

Ketones will fluctuate during the day somewhat - ie - lower in the morn,

higher in evening, but going too high at night may indicate cal shortage

during the day.

----- Original Message -----

> She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June, but

> she has grown in height.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Patti,

was on the SCD only for a few weeks - about 6 -7 weeks or

so. It took me a while to introduce it and take all the illegal

foods out. I also have to confess that I never took the milk out

because I was afraid of calcium deficiencies and no one could really

recommend a proper supplement dosage for - I asked at the

local healthfood stores, a naturopath etc.

When it comes to the ketones, I was expecting for them to go

completely dark on us with the increase in ratio, but they didn't.

In fact in the middle of the day, they were the lowest (I found that

out by accident after forgetting to take them in AM), that is when I

did that charting of ketones three times per day and seizures

throughout the day. We were getting about 8 in AM, 4 in mid day but

sometimes they went as low as 1.5 - 4 and in the evening 8 - 16.

As I mentioend in another email, has grown in height but

after the initial slight drop, her weight has not budged neither up

nor down.

I may have to tak to you some more about the whole calcium, yogurt

and milk issue. At this point both me and my husband are leaning

toward taking off the keto diet and switching to SCD but this

time doing the SCD fully re. NO milk or even goign dairy free for a

while like the moms of autistic children do.

Any other input is still welcome, Ania, one tired mom

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Patti,

was on the SCD only for a few weeks - about 6 -7 weeks or

so. It took me a while to introduce it and take all the illegal

foods out. I also have to confess that I never took the milk out

because I was afraid of calcium deficiencies and no one could really

recommend a proper supplement dosage for - I asked at the

local healthfood stores, a naturopath etc.

When it comes to the ketones, I was expecting for them to go

completely dark on us with the increase in ratio, but they didn't.

In fact in the middle of the day, they were the lowest (I found that

out by accident after forgetting to take them in AM), that is when I

did that charting of ketones three times per day and seizures

throughout the day. We were getting about 8 in AM, 4 in mid day but

sometimes they went as low as 1.5 - 4 and in the evening 8 - 16.

As I mentioend in another email, has grown in height but

after the initial slight drop, her weight has not budged neither up

nor down.

I may have to tak to you some more about the whole calcium, yogurt

and milk issue. At this point both me and my husband are leaning

toward taking off the keto diet and switching to SCD but this

time doing the SCD fully re. NO milk or even goign dairy free for a

while like the moms of autistic children do.

Any other input is still welcome, Ania, one tired mom

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Patti,

was on the SCD only for a few weeks - about 6 -7 weeks or

so. It took me a while to introduce it and take all the illegal

foods out. I also have to confess that I never took the milk out

because I was afraid of calcium deficiencies and no one could really

recommend a proper supplement dosage for - I asked at the

local healthfood stores, a naturopath etc.

When it comes to the ketones, I was expecting for them to go

completely dark on us with the increase in ratio, but they didn't.

In fact in the middle of the day, they were the lowest (I found that

out by accident after forgetting to take them in AM), that is when I

did that charting of ketones three times per day and seizures

throughout the day. We were getting about 8 in AM, 4 in mid day but

sometimes they went as low as 1.5 - 4 and in the evening 8 - 16.

As I mentioend in another email, has grown in height but

after the initial slight drop, her weight has not budged neither up

nor down.

I may have to tak to you some more about the whole calcium, yogurt

and milk issue. At this point both me and my husband are leaning

toward taking off the keto diet and switching to SCD but this

time doing the SCD fully re. NO milk or even goign dairy free for a

while like the moms of autistic children do.

Any other input is still welcome, Ania, one tired mom

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi ,

I doubt that we were aiming for weight loss, is tall for her

age. She was always in the 90th percentile for height but going into

the keto diet she was only in the 75th for weight. I know what you

mean about the weight loss - I will have to bring it up with our keto

team. I will be talking to the dietician on Monday. I will check the

b/g but when she had her MRI two weeks ago, I had to monitor her b/g

due to fasting prior to the MRI and it was 3.6.

Thanks again for your input, Ania

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " rachaelsparents " <doughuang@s...>

>

>

> > She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June,

but

> > she has grown in height.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi ,

I doubt that we were aiming for weight loss, is tall for her

age. She was always in the 90th percentile for height but going into

the keto diet she was only in the 75th for weight. I know what you

mean about the weight loss - I will have to bring it up with our keto

team. I will be talking to the dietician on Monday. I will check the

b/g but when she had her MRI two weeks ago, I had to monitor her b/g

due to fasting prior to the MRI and it was 3.6.

Thanks again for your input, Ania

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " rachaelsparents " <doughuang@s...>

>

>

> > She has not gained any weight since we started the diet in June,

but

> > she has grown in height.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ania,

You said:

<< was on the SCD only for a few weeks - about 6 -7 weeks or

so. It took me a while to introduce it and take all the illegal

foods out. I also have to confess that I never took the milk out

because I was afraid of calcium deficiencies <<I may have to tak to you some

more about the whole calcium, yogurt

and milk issue. At this point both me and my husband are leaning

toward taking off the keto diet and switching to SCD but this

time doing the SCD fully re. NO milk or even goign dairy free for a

while like the moms of autistic children do.>>

Honestly, I think you could stay on Keto and do SCD, too. You would just make

the cream into yogurt, following the same directions. I don't think SCD had a

chance to work before if you never stopped milk. I mean, if you really think

you've done everything you can to tweak the Keto diet and you're still not

seeing control.... well, it's really up to you. The ketone fluctuations are not

a good thing. I know it's more common in the younger kids..... but you

definitely prefer to see them staying much more stable..... like ranging between

80 and 160.

write me any time.....

Patti

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...