Re: doc/nutritionists

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In a message dated 10/15/2002 6:03:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Aprilfool@... writes:

> Dr. Fox transferred her to Dr. Fisher, who doesn't believe in supplements.

> ~Debra

>

I would suggest she call Dr. Fox's office. That's what I had to do when I

was crashing and they worked with my PCP to get me back living again. It

may not happen right away with her, but definitely will happen, in my

opinion. Fisher didn't do the surgery, therefore, he doesn't know what Fox

did, right?

B

[Guest guest]

Oh my. It's not optional for Fox pts. We sign a contract with him. Up close &

personal. Always did, even way back in 1993.

The price is WAAAAAAY too high. has paid, some pay with their lives.

Others pay with complete regain. You just never know what the penalty will be.

The body issues it according to its whim.

Without calcium all this time, I'm guessing her bones are already in trouble.

Has she had a dexascan?

m

Re: doc/nutritionists

Debra,

That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out

from

surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing

protein

supplements.

I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping,

although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly.

However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal

range "

to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron

and

vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again.

My

doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just

gradually

start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it

as

" great " or " normal " .

I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my

protein from

food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart

damage

with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal

beat,

eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein

shakes

a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three

times

a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since

February.....

I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances

of it

happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the

enzyme to

break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed

into our

muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking,

or byp

assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live.

You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut

those

of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!),

those who

have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery

for

years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died

because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly

we only

care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein

supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do

the

living. the choice is yours.

B

Distal RNY 12/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

Also, get copies of all your labs from pre-op til forever and YOU compare them.

And your op-report.

I lost 2 docs to retirement, 2 to ins, changes. WE are the only continuity in

our lives.

m

Re: doc/nutritionists

Hi :

Now I'm totally confused. If I understand correctly, you're saying

that 60 grams of protein (what all of the nutritionists are preaching)

is not enough. Great!!!! and here I thought I was doing so well.

In answer to your question about flab. Yes I'm so flabby my bones

actually are killing me! I have a hard time sitting and sleeping

because my bones protrude and have no more protection.

I'm 6 months out and down 90 pounds. What is a normal protein level?

I'm going to my Doctor in November and I'll have her do all of the

tests and also have her compare them with previous tests.

I'm so glad I started coming to this site. It could save your life.

I had never heard of crashing before now.

Thanks for caring and sharing.

Roe

> Hey, Roe.

>

> That's great for " normies " , however, bypassed patients are just

that

> " bypassed " . Part of the intenstine that provides much of the

breaking up of

> the food proteins has been bypassed, therefore, you don't have the

acids to

> break down with the proteins from food in order for the food

proteins to be

> absorbed. Thus, eventually your body will know it. However, it

may be a

> gradual process, and our minds are so strong, that we just feel

bad, but not

> bad enough to see the doc, and we just keep thinking we're fine.

Then one

> day (and it may be years down the line) we crash. Crashing is no

fun. It is

> a huge loss of income when your doc says " no work for 3 plus

months " because

> you're really too weak to work, but you don't realize it, cuz your

mind says

> this is how you are supposed to feel. How are your muscles? How

far out are

> you from surgery? Are you flabby? That's called " muscle

wasting " . I kept

> saying for about 2 years " I need to tone " ...........can't tone

damaged

> muscles, you got to FEED them with protein - predigested is more

readily

> absorbed, however, it has still taken me since February of 150

grams of

> protein supplements (not including the food proteins) to get to a

7.0 (still

> not even at preop stage yet).

>

> Good luck, and hugs to you.

>

> B

[Guest guest]

Before you ask, nope, I cannot get them. I called them maybe 20 times and never

could get a return call. Also, made in PA, I think, there's no way I could get

them fresh. Sigh.

I keep wondering what the frosting is like......

m

Re: doc/nutritionists

Roe - Where do you buy your protein cakes?

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY 05/21/2002

314/ 248.5/150-175

5' 8 "

djgraves@...

[Guest guest]

Nope, no contract.

Re: doc/nutritionists

Debra,

That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period

out from

surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing

protein

supplements.

I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept

dropping,

although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing

badly.

However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within

normal range "

to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron

and

vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good

again. My

doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just

gradually

start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept

it as

" great " or " normal " .

I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my

protein from

food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the

heart damage

with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a

normal beat,

eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7

protein shakes

a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV

three times

a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since

February.....

I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your

chances of it

happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the

enzyme to

break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed

into our

muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking,

or byp

assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live.

You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't

shut those

of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!),

those who

have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this

surgery for

years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost

died

because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly

we only

care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein

supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do

the

living. the choice is yours.

B

Distal RNY 12/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

Theresa same crap is going on thru my group they look bad just as you

described

TN

Re: doc/nutritionists

>

>

> You guys just say this stuff to get my stress level up, right? I get

> my cardio just reading these ightmare stories you're making up. m

>

>

>

> To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to

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>

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Terry said:

Dr. Fox's patients know better than to go without protein shakes. I was just

revised to a distal by Dr. Oh, who has worked with Dr. Fox (they assist in each

other's surgeries I guess) for a long time.

B says: Yup, uh huh! I know I signed that contract... I broke it too, cuz

I figured I was " smarter " and could " outbeat " the odds.. Boy, did *I* find out

the hard way just how right Dr. Fox and Dr. Oh are!!!!! Now, I'm paying the

price... and it ain't pretty!!!!

Gonna go make a protein shake now. :-)

B

[Guest guest]

You shootin' B12? I forget.

m

Re: doc/nutritionists

In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Aprilfool@... writes:

> Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything

other

> than the protein level?

>

You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the

hemaglobin

level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with

your

preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly.

That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path.

Hugs to you.

B

[Guest guest]

Nope

Re: doc/nutritionists

In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Aprilfool@... writes:

> Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything

other

> than the protein level?

>

You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the

hemaglobin

level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with

your

preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even

slightly.

That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path.

Hugs to you.

B

[Guest guest]

I feel sorry for them. Its a shame that they do the surgery and for

what ever reason not taking care of themselves, I think sometimes its

the moment it gets lost in the excitement and its sad to see when

reality hits them.

Theresa~

*The most beautiful things in the world can not be

seen or even touched. They must be felt with the

heart. ~Helen Keller~

Re: doc/nutritionists

Theresa same crap is going on thru my group they look bad just as you

described

TN

Re: doc/nutritionists

>

>

> You guys just say this stuff to get my stress level up, right? I get

> my cardio just reading these ightmare stories you're making up. m

>

>

>

> To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to

GBCookbook-subscribe@...

>

[Guest guest]

WITH A DISTAL?

Do you know HOW distal? Common channel length?

m

Re: doc/nutritionists

Debra,

That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period

out from

surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing

protein

supplements.

I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept

dropping,

although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing

badly.

However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within

normal range "

to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting

iron and

vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good

again. My

doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just

gradually

start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and

accept it as

" great " or " normal " .

I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my

protein from

food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the

heart damage

with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a

normal beat,

eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7

protein shakes

a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV

three times

a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since

February.....

I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your

chances of it

happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the

enzyme to

break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be

absorbed into our

muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is

lacking, or byp

assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live.

You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't

shut those

of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!),

those who

have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this

surgery for

years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost

died

because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " ....

truly we only

care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein

supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we

do the

living. the choice is yours.

B

Distal RNY 12/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

Sublinguals? What I'm saying is 396 is " ok " , minimally,. You want to turn it

back up the other way BEFORE you " feel " it. The blood reading is always a bit

behind real life. Although the range gets low around 220, some people start

feeling too tired to move in the 300's.

m

Re: doc/nutritionists

In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Aprilfool@... writes:

> Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything

other

> than the protein level?

>

You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the

hemaglobin

level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with

your

preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even

slightly.

That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path.

Hugs to you.

B

[Guest guest]

Of course he does........what responsible doctor taking over a patients care

wouldn't familiarize himself with the case?

Re: doc/nutritionists

In a message dated 10/15/2002 6:03:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Aprilfool@... writes:

> Dr. Fox transferred her to Dr. Fisher, who doesn't believe in supplements.

> ~Debra

>

I would suggest she call Dr. Fox's office. That's what I had to do when I

was crashing and they worked with my PCP to get me back living again. It

may not happen right away with her, but definitely will happen, in my

opinion. Fisher didn't do the surgery, therefore, he doesn't know what Fox

did, right?

B

[Guest guest]

Dr. Fox recommended one of his distal patients - who he requires to sign a

contract stating that they promise to use protein shakes for life - to a

bariatric surgeon who doesn't believe in protein shakes? This story is getting

stranger as it goes.

Very scary for the girl in question though, who says she's a Dr. Fox distal, yet

doesn't use protein shakes. I'm sorry, at this point in the thread and in my

" altered state " from the drugs I can't remember her name.

PLEASE listen to B. She's the one who's been there and has suffered.

She's a Dr. Fox distal who " didn't listen " and ended up very sick. I'm not an

expert, but I truly don't believe that when you're distal it's a matter of IF

you'll crash, but more a matter of WHEN. Why not do something now to avoid

paying later?

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

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http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ®

Re: doc/nutritionists

Debra,

That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period

out from

surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing

protein

supplements.

I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept

dropping,

although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing

badly.

However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within

normal range "

to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting

iron and

vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good

again. My

doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just

gradually

start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and

accept it as

" great " or " normal " .

I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my

protein from

food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the

heart damage

with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a

normal beat,

eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7

protein shakes

a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV

three times

a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since

February.....

I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your

chances of it

happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the

enzyme to

break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be

absorbed into our

muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is

lacking, or byp

assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live.

You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't

shut those

of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!),

those who

have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this

surgery for

years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost

died

because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " ....

truly we only

care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein

supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we

do the

living. the choice is yours.

B

Distal RNY 12/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

Done being bashed. Thanks.

Re: doc/nutritionists

Debra,

That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time

period out from

surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing

protein

supplements.

I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept

dropping,

although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing

badly.

However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within

normal range "

to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting

iron and

vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good

again. My

doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You

just gradually

start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and

accept it as

" great " or " normal " .

I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my

protein from

food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the

heart damage

with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a

normal beat,

eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7

protein shakes

a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV

three times

a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been

since

February.....

I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your

chances of it

happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies

the enzyme to

break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be

absorbed into our

muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is

lacking, or byp

assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live.

You made this very important choice to have surgery, please

don't shut those

of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I

do!), those who

have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this

surgery for

years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also

almost died

because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " ....

truly we only

care about you, and support you, and really believe in the

protein

supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we

do the

living. the choice is yours.

B

Distal RNY 12/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

This is true as a pre Op mine was like 220 and I felt like crap

Re: doc/nutritionists

>

>

> In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight

Time,

> Aprilfool@... writes:

>

>

> > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for

anything other

> > than the protein level?

> >

>

> You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the

hemaglobin

> level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present

labs with your

> preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even

slightly.

> That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong

path.

>

> Hugs to you.

>

> B

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/2002 12:27:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Aprilfool@... writes:

> Of course he does........what responsible doctor taking over a patients care

> wouldn't familiarize himself with the case?

>

If he is familiar with the case then he should know that your sister was and

is required by Dr. Fox and Dr. Oh to drink protein shakes for life. That's

my point. I'm not knocking Dr Fisher, I just know what Drs Fox and Oh

require of their patients, and I'm very VERY concerned that she will end up

like I did for not taking my protein or vites for a while, cuz I thought I

was " fine " ... I was nearly DEAD, and STILL after 10 months am recovering

after it was recognized. IV Iron treatments three times a week costs close

to $1000, not to mention the three months off of work because I was so sick.

Just get her started. Have her call Fox's office. The patient advocates

there are VERY helpful They helped me even after I moved to California.

They even talked to my present doc and helped me in my recovery. Dr. Fox/Oh

will follow their patients for life, and will always help them, no matter

what.

B

Distal; RNY 12/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

Debra,

No one is bashing you or anyone else. Many of us just take the protein issue

VERY seriously and when we see someone on the road to illness, we want to make

sure that they have the information that they need to help themselves. None of

us wants to see anyone die of malnutrition when it can easily be avoided.

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comT

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ®

Re: doc/nutritionists

Debra,

That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time

period out from

surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without

doing protein

supplements.

I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept

dropping,

although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was

doing badly.

However, within a matter of a month, they went from the

" within normal range "

to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am

getting iron and

vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel

good again. My

doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You

just gradually

start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and

accept it as

" great " or " normal " .

I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting

my protein from

food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair

the heart damage

with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a

normal beat,

eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7

protein shakes

a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron

IV three times

a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been

since

February.....

I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your

chances of it

happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies

the enzyme to

break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be

absorbed into our

muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is

lacking, or byp

assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live.

You made this very important choice to have surgery, please

don't shut those

of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I

do!), those who

have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this

surgery for

years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also

almost died

because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " ....

truly we only

care about you, and support you, and really believe in the

protein

supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery,

we do the

living. the choice is yours.

B

Distal RNY 12/95

275/155