Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 In a message dated 10/15/2002 6:03:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Dr. Fox transferred her to Dr. Fisher, who doesn't believe in supplements. > ~Debra > I would suggest she call Dr. Fox's office. That's what I had to do when I was crashing and they worked with my PCP to get me back living again. It may not happen right away with her, but definitely will happen, in my opinion. Fisher didn't do the surgery, therefore, he doesn't know what Fox did, right? B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Oh my. It's not optional for Fox pts. We sign a contract with him. Up close & personal. Always did, even way back in 1993. The price is WAAAAAAY too high. has paid, some pay with their lives. Others pay with complete regain. You just never know what the penalty will be. The body issues it according to its whim. Without calcium all this time, I'm guessing her bones are already in trouble. Has she had a dexascan? m Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Also, get copies of all your labs from pre-op til forever and YOU compare them. And your op-report. I lost 2 docs to retirement, 2 to ins, changes. WE are the only continuity in our lives. m Re: doc/nutritionists Hi : Now I'm totally confused. If I understand correctly, you're saying that 60 grams of protein (what all of the nutritionists are preaching) is not enough. Great!!!! and here I thought I was doing so well. In answer to your question about flab. Yes I'm so flabby my bones actually are killing me! I have a hard time sitting and sleeping because my bones protrude and have no more protection. I'm 6 months out and down 90 pounds. What is a normal protein level? I'm going to my Doctor in November and I'll have her do all of the tests and also have her compare them with previous tests. I'm so glad I started coming to this site. It could save your life. I had never heard of crashing before now. Thanks for caring and sharing. Roe > Hey, Roe. > > That's great for " normies " , however, bypassed patients are just that > " bypassed " . Part of the intenstine that provides much of the breaking up of > the food proteins has been bypassed, therefore, you don't have the acids to > break down with the proteins from food in order for the food proteins to be > absorbed. Thus, eventually your body will know it. However, it may be a > gradual process, and our minds are so strong, that we just feel bad, but not > bad enough to see the doc, and we just keep thinking we're fine. Then one > day (and it may be years down the line) we crash. Crashing is no fun. It is > a huge loss of income when your doc says " no work for 3 plus months " because > you're really too weak to work, but you don't realize it, cuz your mind says > this is how you are supposed to feel. How are your muscles? How far out are > you from surgery? Are you flabby? That's called " muscle wasting " . I kept > saying for about 2 years " I need to tone " ...........can't tone damaged > muscles, you got to FEED them with protein - predigested is more readily > absorbed, however, it has still taken me since February of 150 grams of > protein supplements (not including the food proteins) to get to a 7.0 (still > not even at preop stage yet). > > Good luck, and hugs to you. > > B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Before you ask, nope, I cannot get them. I called them maybe 20 times and never could get a return call. Also, made in PA, I think, there's no way I could get them fresh. Sigh. I keep wondering what the frosting is like...... m Re: doc/nutritionists Roe - Where do you buy your protein cakes? Jeanne in WI Age 39 Open RNY 05/21/2002 314/ 248.5/150-175 5' 8 " djgraves@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Nope, no contract. Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Theresa same crap is going on thru my group they look bad just as you described TN Re: doc/nutritionists > > > You guys just say this stuff to get my stress level up, right? I get > my cardio just reading these ightmare stories you're making up. m > > > > To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Terry said: Dr. Fox's patients know better than to go without protein shakes. I was just revised to a distal by Dr. Oh, who has worked with Dr. Fox (they assist in each other's surgeries I guess) for a long time. B says: Yup, uh huh! I know I signed that contract... I broke it too, cuz I figured I was " smarter " and could " outbeat " the odds.. Boy, did *I* find out the hard way just how right Dr. Fox and Dr. Oh are!!!!! Now, I'm paying the price... and it ain't pretty!!!! Gonna go make a protein shake now. :-) B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 You shootin' B12? I forget. m Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Nope Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I feel sorry for them. Its a shame that they do the surgery and for what ever reason not taking care of themselves, I think sometimes its the moment it gets lost in the excitement and its sad to see when reality hits them. Theresa~ *The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. ~Helen Keller~ Re: doc/nutritionists Theresa same crap is going on thru my group they look bad just as you described TN Re: doc/nutritionists > > > You guys just say this stuff to get my stress level up, right? I get > my cardio just reading these ightmare stories you're making up. m > > > > To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 WITH A DISTAL? Do you know HOW distal? Common channel length? m Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Sublinguals? What I'm saying is 396 is " ok " , minimally,. You want to turn it back up the other way BEFORE you " feel " it. The blood reading is always a bit behind real life. Although the range gets low around 220, some people start feeling too tired to move in the 300's. m Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > than the protein level? > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. Hugs to you. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Of course he does........what responsible doctor taking over a patients care wouldn't familiarize himself with the case? Re: doc/nutritionists In a message dated 10/15/2002 6:03:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Dr. Fox transferred her to Dr. Fisher, who doesn't believe in supplements. > ~Debra > I would suggest she call Dr. Fox's office. That's what I had to do when I was crashing and they worked with my PCP to get me back living again. It may not happen right away with her, but definitely will happen, in my opinion. Fisher didn't do the surgery, therefore, he doesn't know what Fox did, right? B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Dr. Fox recommended one of his distal patients - who he requires to sign a contract stating that they promise to use protein shakes for life - to a bariatric surgeon who doesn't believe in protein shakes? This story is getting stranger as it goes. Very scary for the girl in question though, who says she's a Dr. Fox distal, yet doesn't use protein shakes. I'm sorry, at this point in the thread and in my " altered state " from the drugs I can't remember her name. PLEASE listen to B. She's the one who's been there and has suffered. She's a Dr. Fox distal who " didn't listen " and ended up very sick. I'm not an expert, but I truly don't believe that when you're distal it's a matter of IF you'll crash, but more a matter of WHEN. Why not do something now to avoid paying later? ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ® Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Done being bashed. Thanks. Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 This is true as a pre Op mine was like 220 and I felt like crap Re: doc/nutritionists > > > In a message dated 10/13/2002 8:54:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Aprilfool@... writes: > > > > Alright, I'm going to check the labs.....am I looking for anything other > > than the protein level? > > > > You want to look at the protein and albumin levels. Also, the hemaglobin > level (your iron). Also, you want to compare your present labs with your > preop labs and see if you see any of the levels dropping, even slightly. > That will tell you that you are headed slowly down the wrong path. > > Hugs to you. > > B > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 In a message dated 10/16/2002 12:27:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Aprilfool@... writes: > Of course he does........what responsible doctor taking over a patients care > wouldn't familiarize himself with the case? > If he is familiar with the case then he should know that your sister was and is required by Dr. Fox and Dr. Oh to drink protein shakes for life. That's my point. I'm not knocking Dr Fisher, I just know what Drs Fox and Oh require of their patients, and I'm very VERY concerned that she will end up like I did for not taking my protein or vites for a while, cuz I thought I was " fine " ... I was nearly DEAD, and STILL after 10 months am recovering after it was recognized. IV Iron treatments three times a week costs close to $1000, not to mention the three months off of work because I was so sick. Just get her started. Have her call Fox's office. The patient advocates there are VERY helpful They helped me even after I moved to California. They even talked to my present doc and helped me in my recovery. Dr. Fox/Oh will follow their patients for life, and will always help them, no matter what. B Distal; RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Debra, No one is bashing you or anyone else. Many of us just take the protein issue VERY seriously and when we see someone on the road to illness, we want to make sure that they have the information that they need to help themselves. None of us wants to see anyone die of malnutrition when it can easily be avoided. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! ® Re: doc/nutritionists Debra, That's great you are feeling so well NOW just a short time period out from surgery, and also your sister, just 9 months out, without doing protein supplements. I felt really good too, for several years, and my labs kept dropping, although still in the normal range, so didn't think I was doing badly. However, within a matter of a month, they went from the " within normal range " to crashing. I was off work for more than 3 months, am getting iron and vitamins IV and learning really what it feels like to feel good again. My doc said it was like someone with chronic pain syndrome. You just gradually start to go down hill, and get used to the way you feel, and accept it as " great " or " normal " . I was 6 years out before I crashed, 99% of the time " getting my protein from food " , but now I see a cardiologist to see if we can repair the heart damage with medications, or at least try and get the rhythm back to a normal beat, eat 4-7 times a day setting a timer to remember, drinking 5-7 protein shakes a day, and although the first four months, I was getting iron IV three times a week, now I am down to every other week, and this has been since February..... I'm not trying to imply that this WILL happen to you, but your chances of it happening are very good. The place in our body that supplies the enzyme to break the proteins from food into absorbable protein to be absorbed into our muscles and tissues (and that includes the heart muscle) is lacking, or byp assed, thus we MUST do protein supplements in order to live. You made this very important choice to have surgery, please don't shut those of us out, who understand our bodies' needs (at least NOW I do!), those who have walked the walk and have been there, and lived with this surgery for years (almost 7 for me now), and those of us who have also almost died because of turning a deaf ear, and thinking we were " fine " .... truly we only care about you, and support you, and really believe in the protein supplements as a necessity for life. Doctors do the surgery, we do the living. the choice is yours. B Distal RNY 12/95 275/155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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